ME3: One hell of a retcon...

[Ian Caronia]

The devs are prolly going to bring him back from the dead too regardless of what you did in ME1.
Making him bi or gay then is a relatively minor point. Did Kaiden even show any indication of being straight or anything at all, if you played only the male protagonist?

Actually yes. He mentions having a crush on a girl as a kid, makes a remark on how cute Liara is, hints at his enjoyment of the strip club, and that's all in ME1. Pretty sure there's more evidence of heterosexuality, but it would only lead back to the point of
1) Anybody can choose to be gay and straight despite having a history of the other
_This, when it comes to humans at least, it correct
2) Kaiden's ME2 speech
_I won't make fun of Kaiden, and I'm not saying he should or shouldn't be gay. All I'm saying is that his speech to Male Shepard on Horizon felt...well...it felt more emotional than anything Ashley had to say, put it that way.

So yeah, Kaiden is hetero, but I guess there are ways he can be gay for 3 without it seeming totally out of left field. However the topic of the thread, the fact that homosexuality was never in ME until now and how they'll try to pull this off, is a much different matter than making a mostly straight character gay.

 

[Ian Caronia]

What would be an even bigger retcon is if Saren was actually a clone of Saren possessed by a bug made out of living fear that caused him to kill the Green Lantern Corps all the Spectres.

But that would just be silly. ;D
...Ugh, that comic arc...

 

[Alucard788]

The relationship was actually supposed to be in the original game but was cut due to time constraints. (If you dig deep enough you can still find the audio files.)

*sigh* Oh if only they had kept it in the game...or made it DLC...or patched it in....or something.

>_<

I don't understand why it matters so much now. So what if it wasnt, cant you just be happy that it is now? I mean, why be so bothered by something you can do nothing about anyway??

I'm just...musing? Wishful thinking?

Wondering what could have been?

Why jump on my lamenting?

 

[Ian Caronia]

This made me laugh, I only skimmed the OP... but I guarantee most people saw the words "ME3" and "retcon"... and that's all they needed. They may have skimmed the "gay" part in the OP to remain relevant though.

There's a strange phenomenon going around where people are ready to verbally destroy Bioware at the drop of a hat.

Ha, too true. Either destroy Bioware and destroy anyone who says anything in regards to the gift of the Bioware gods to us mortal being known as "Mass Effect", even if it's not actually a negative thing.
Seriously, it's enough to make you despair, isn't it? Instead of a debate you get:
"YOU AREN'T HERE TO SHIT ON BIOWARE?! YOU FUCKING FANBOY!!"
or
"YOU QUESTION HOMOSEXUALITY IN ME3?! YOU FUCKING HOMOPHOBE!!"

I understand not everyone is willing to sift through the entire thread to post a comment, but in the very fuckin least read the OP. Geez

 

[DementedSheep]

How do you know they weren't gay?
Maybe its just they were not flaymboyant or stereotypical. For all you know, ALL your crew could have had a crush on you.

*sigh* No they don't have to be flaymboyant or stereotypical.Thats not what I'm getting at.

However when you walk around the Citadel you don't see any men holding hands or talking close.You never meet an NPC that has a 'partner' or such that they my mention in passing....but you do see plenty of Asari snuggles...and yes they are 'aliens' but they also look like blue women...but no male/male snuggles.

What I'm trying to say here is that there is no starting point for this in the story. I'm not angry that Bio is doing this...I'm glad....but I'm confused because a fellow like myself just doesn't exist in the entire Mass Effect Universe.

As others have said I do have a bad feeling it's just going to get shoe horned in and treated as if it was always there....which is stupid. >_<

Turian females don't exist anywhere in the mass effect games, that doesn?t mean by lore (they should be as common as the men) they don't exist and if they are suddenly in ME 3 it wouldn't be a plot hole. There are also meant to be far more speices on the citadel that what is shown. Just because you haven?t seen gay or bi men around the place in a situation where you would know they are gay or bi doesn?t mean they don't exist either and it could simply be less common. Most people don't go around shouting their sexuality off the rooftops. There all of a sudden being a gay man would not be a pothole. If they make a former romancable squadmate (like Kaidan) bi with no explanation at all then it could arguably be a plot hole simply because if he is bi why would he only romance femshep in ME1 but even that could be fixed with just a little bit of explanation. Although as far as I?m aware they are making new characters for the S/S romances anyway. I don?t know why you are overcomplicating the issue.

 

[Trixsy]

How the hell is that going to go down exactly? While lesbianism is clearly on display in ME3 (for the enjoyment of all I take it) how ever homosexual men...as far as i can remember...are completely absent in any form.

So how in in the Maker are they going to pull this off? Is it just going to be "Oh hey gay men exist now!" or just...I dunno.

Couldn't care less about retconning. What reason is there to moan about it? It's been done so that gay men can enjoy the character more - I'm fine with that reasoning.

I am a gay man. Yes I do realize that is part of the reason as to why they are doing this, but the point I'm tying to make is this.

Int the context of the 'world' of ME3 gay men do not exist in any way, shape, or form. At all...they just do not exist. So how are they going to re-gear to story so that (supposidly) it's always been there.

Thats what I'm trying to say.

Where has it said they literally don't exist? Just because we've never seen them doesn't mean they don't exists o.o

 

[duchaked]

I think the idea is to shut up the people who've been crying out for including it
at least more so than to cause people who don't to start doing the complaints
not sure how retcon or canon works or doesn't work in a game where there are multiple ways to go about it anyway :]
I mean I'll be continuing my game save as I've playing before, but I guess some people love change?

 

[Reishadowen]

Ok, seriously. WTF is up with so many people demanding gay-relationship options for the Mass Effect series? Are there seriously that many gay gamers who play XBOX? I know alot of people on XBOX LIVE call each other "fag" all the time, but I didn't think they actually MEANT it. Have I been so closed off from other people I haven't noticed this aspect becoming so huge and integral to video gaming community? Or is this just a bunch of trolls who want to make a gay character "for the lulz"?

That would actually make sense in the context of the world of ME3. Considering what they said here http://www.escapistmagazine.com/news/view/99710-BioWare-Explains-Why-Theres-No-Homosexuality-in-Mass-Effect-2 which well...it seems like to me they completely ignored the 120 pound blue alien in the room.

As several Asari characters --Liara included-- mentioned in the first Mass Effect, Asari are mono-gendered. They are not female, or male. They appear to humans, as females, because that is the way humans are used to their females resembling (except the blue skin and tentacles heads...God that sounded weird...).

The fact that Bioware made them look like hot-sexy females was probably because it would the game sell better.

 

[Nimcha]

The devs are prolly going to bring him back from the dead too regardless of what you did in ME1.
Making him bi or gay then is a relatively minor point. Did Kaiden even show any indication of being straight or anything at all, if you played only the male protagonist?

Actually yes. He mentions having a crush on a girl as a kid, makes a remark on how cute Liara is, hints at his enjoyment of the strip club, and that's all in ME1. Pretty sure there's more evidence of heterosexuality, but it would only lead back to the point of
1) Anybody can choose to be gay and straight despite having a history of the other
_This, when it comes to humans at least, it correct
2) Kaiden's ME2 speech
_I won't make fun of Kaiden, and I'm not saying he should or shouldn't be gay. All I'm saying is that his speech to Male Shepard on Horizon felt...well...it felt more emotional than anything Ashley had to say, put it that way.

So yeah, Kaiden is hetero, but I guess there are ways he can be gay for 3 without it seeming totally out of left field. However the topic of the thread, the fact that homosexuality was never in ME until now and how they'll try to pull this off, is a much different matter than making a mostly straight character gay.

You know, there is something called bisexuality, maybe you should look that up...

 

[Alucard788]

This made me laugh, I only skimmed the OP... but I guarantee most people saw the words "ME3" and "retcon"... and that's all they needed. They may have skimmed the "gay" part in the OP to remain relevant though.

There's a strange phenomenon going around where people are ready to verbally destroy Bioware at the drop of a hat.

Ha, too true. Either destroy Bioware and destroy anyone who says anything in regards to the gift of the Bioware gods to us mortal being known as "Mass Effect", even if it's not actually a negative thing.
Seriously, it's enough to make you despair, isn't it? Instead of a debate you get:
"YOU AREN'T HERE TO SHIT ON BIOWARE?! YOU FUCKING FANBOY!!"
or
"YOU QUESTION HOMOSEXUALITY IN ME3?! YOU FUCKING HOMOPHOBE!!"

I understand not everyone is willing to sift through the entire thread to post a comment, but in the very fuckin least read the OP. Geez

All I ever wanted was a story based discussion on how things might or would have gone down within the context of the world. Or something like that. T_T

Like some kinda...imaginative...speculation....thing....

One can wish...

 

[JediMB]

I read the thread title and told myself "I hope this isn't going to be about the new romance options."

Son, I am disappoint.

Okay, the fact is that sexuality is usually an unknown variable from an external standpoint. Especially for Mass Effect's men. There are near-endless ways to make M/M options work for skilled writers, and it's important to remember that an absence of proof does not equal proof of absence.

I expect at least one Bi The Way moment.

 

[Thespian]

I think of it like I thought of Dragon Age 2...
It's not like every character was just waiting for you to romance the so they could pick a sexuality... I think it's more like, if you romance Anders as a man, he is gay. If you romance him as a woman, he is straight. They are two different continuities, like alternate realities.

If you romanced Kaidan as a woman in ME1, he's always been straight. If you romance him as a guy in ME3, he's always been gay but he never mentioned it before.

I think they're just gonna shove it in and ignore that little plot hole.

No offense, but while I adore Bioware games, character development is their weakest forte. Not once do I ever care about the actual characters. Unfortunately.

To each his own and whatnot, but are you serious? What Second Party Developer's games were YOU playing? The characters are my FAVOURITE part of Bioware games. The Party banter in Dragon Age, the Loyalty Mission development of Mass Effect... Zevran, Allistair, Tali and Samara are more important to me than almost any book/film character.

 

[McNinja]

What? So you weren't given the option in the first two. You could've just not romanced anyone. Or you could just romance someone new. The writers probably aren't going to address it in the game because in the realm of galaxy killing robots, homosexuality (or the fact that it is now possible) is fairly bottom-rung in the priorities chart. But why couldn't they do it before, and now they can? Because Bioware decided that now you can. Besides, if you have the PC version, you can mod it to allow gay/lesbian romances. If you don't, then have fun with Shepards newfound sexuality.