Meat

[Evilpigeon]

And yes, I support neutering animals, because the alternative to neutering them is culling them, or else having them starve on the streets in the case of feral cats and dogs. Are you going to try and extrapolate this to humans, and claim I'm in favour of eugenics or something?

The alternative to the current situation for many of the species we eat is extinction due to being thoroughly warped thanks to thousands of years of selective breeding. See also, how fucked up some types of Pedigree dog are. I think genocide only applies to systematically wiping out people but if people stopped eating meat we'd most likely be deliberately causing the mass extinction of several species. I think we're rather too far gone by now for eating meat to be a simple ethical or moral decision.

 

[FalloutJack]

Do you eat meat?
If yes, why?
If no, why?
Would you eat Synthetic Meat?
Do you have a preference in Meat?(as in both in terms of Animal and individual Dish)
If you don't eat meat, what do you prefer?

"Do you like George Went? Do you like beans? Do you like George Went with beans?"

Sorry, had to. ANYWAY!

{1} *Urp!* Yes.

{2} Tried it. It's alright. It's not meat, but it's alright.

{3} Yes, the animal is preferred to be on an approved list for consumption, and certainly not dogs and cats. Also no horses because yuck, no milk cows because their meat is no match for beef cattle, and NO SQUAB. Beyond that, it's just a question of taste. Tender juicy rare steaks that are in that area where they are properly cooked but still pink is always welcome. I prefer baked over fried chicken. And if it's Italian, I probably eat it.

 

[Rebel_Raven]

Do you eat meat?
Yes.

If yes, why?
Meat's tasty, and tear-apartable, and it's sort of a stress release pulling apart the meat. Especially chicken, and jerky.

If no, why?
Maybe if it was Emu. I had an Emu meat stick of meat in slimjim style before. I remember not liking it. But I'd prolly try it again if I ever got the chance.

Would you eat Synthetic Meat?
I'd certainly try it! I'm adventurous like that. Heck, there's no telling if I've already been eating it the way fast/processed food works. lol

Do you have a preference in Meat?(as in both in terms of Animal and individual Dish)
Chicken is a major preferrence, but any meat in sausage/jerky form is nearly irresistable. I mean, who can resist bacon jerky?

 

[manic_depressive13]

The alternative to the current situation for many of the species we eat is extinction due to being thoroughly warped thanks to thousands of years of selective breeding. See also, how fucked up some types of Pedigree dog are. I think genocide only applies to systematically wiping out people but if people stopped eating meat we'd most likely be deliberately causing the mass extinction of several species. I think we're rather too far gone by now for eating meat to be a simple ethical or moral decision.

That's... the worst argument I've ever heard. So fucking what? You think the abstract notion that having more species of animals on earth is better, outweighs the tens of billion we torment and kill each year? How is it not an ethical or moral decision? If you don't want them to die out, keep a few. There is no argument for the propagation of the meat industry in what you just said.

 

[Arakasi]

black people =/= animals

animals = humans

Hang on, if animals = humans, and black people =/= animals, then black people aren't human? What? I'll assume I'm misinterpreting your meaning here.

Also, just wondering, what objective fact about animals makes it wrong to harm them? Is it that they feel pain? What about if something did feel pain but couldn't show it? As far as I know no one feels empathetic towards a fish, because they aren't as anthropomorphic. In any case why should the triggering of an emotional response be a solid basis for action as opposed to practicality?

 

[BarbaricGoose]

I'm kind of half-vegetarian. I try to do the whole vegetarian thing, but I don't much care if I eat meat. I drink soy milk, eat veggie burgers and such, but I still real meat too. I could cut it out if I really wanted to. I've just never met anyone who asked me to change.

I don't eat any crazy meats like kangaroo or dog. Just the plain stuff for me. Chicken is probably the favorite. I don't eat anything fried, unless it's in my own fry pan with extra virgin olive oil.

I honestly don't like steak or bacon. (I thought this warranted its own paragraph.)

 

[Akytalusia]

1. yes.
2. because i am the worst vegetarian.
3. depends on what it's made of. i won't eat those shitburgers.
4. turkey is the only type i eat deliberately, and in very limited amounts. i prefer to avoid meat in general though.

 

[Ryleh]

Unless you lived on a farm and actually have done some WORK or have some KNOWLEDGE of a farm, don't speak about shit like that.

I did grow up on a farm. And that farm was responsible for polluting waterways, destroying vast amounts of vegetation to supply cattle with grains instead of grass, and don't even get me started on animal cruelty issues.

I am genuinely glad that your farm is setting an awesome example and doing the right thing. But the reality in my country is that the meat and dairy industry are doing a lot more harm than good now that farms are moving away from smaller family businesses, and in to large commercial operations with thousands of cattle.

 

[Arakasi]

black people =/= animals

animals = humans

Hang on, if animals = humans, and black people =/= animals, then black people aren't human? What? I'll assume I'm misinterpreting your meaning here.

Also, just wondering, what objective fact about animals makes it wrong to harm them? Is it that they feel pain? What about if something did feel pain but couldn't show it? As far as I know no one feels empathetic towards a fish, because they aren't as anthropomorphic. In any case why should the triggering of an emotional response be a solid basis for action as opposed to practicality?

You're kind of over-mathematicizing what I meant. I didn't mean for something like (white person)x - (black person)y = animal or anything crazy like that to be distilled out of it. I just wanted a simple way to say "when comparing factory farms to slave plantations, we do not mean to trivialize the suffering of slaves. We mean to give the suffering of animals the severity it deserves."

Ah, I thought I was misunderstanding something there.

As for what objective fact makes their suffering meaningful? It is very silly to speak in certainties and absolutes.

Well it isn't talking about a certainty or an absolute, it's just asking for a reason based on reality for it to be rational to believe that harming animals is wrong. If you're trying to figure out the correct way to act it's hardly wrong to ask for that.

Why is it wrong to harm humans? Apply that same reason to animals and that would be my answer.

Well it isn't, inherently. I'd say the only reason why it'd be wrong to harm humans comes down to the social contract. We recognise that man is a deadly animal, so we form organisations to keep each other safe from ourselves. That can hardly be applied to animals.

As for fish, I do empathize with them. And I don't need anthropomorphism or childish comparisons to Finding Nemo to do it. They have brains, goldfish can even be trained to navigate mazes. However, fish get to live natural lives before we eat them. So I would sooner eat a fish than a chicken.

I'd have to ask them, why does 'having a brain' make something better than something else? Computers could be seen as having brains, though made of a different material I'd hardly consider that a significant feature.

Why should an emotional response be the motivating force behind our actions as opposed to practicality? We are not robots or hysterical cartoon characters.

Well in a very large sense we are biological machines. But don't get me wrong, I'm not saying it wouldn't be irrational to not eat meat if it makes you feel more bad than the pleasure it gives you by eating it, I'm saying that isn't a good reason for everyone else (or anyone else) to stop eating meat.

Our actions and emotions have reason and humanity behind them.

Our emotions were crafted by evolution to guide us towards the most beneficial action, that's about the extent of the reason behind emotions. Our actions are undoubtedly influenced by our beliefs and reasoning related to those beliefs, but I'm not sure what you mean by 'humanity'.

Does your practical decision involve life or death?

Why is life or death special? Each of those are one of the more normal, common and ordinary things on this planet.

If not, then you could choose whatever path you want. That is the only thing that makes you better than a machine or an animal.

Again, humans are biological machines. Animals are marginally less complicated (cognitively) biological machines. At what point is a life considered a life? It's ambiguous for a reason.

 

[Ninmecu]

As for fish, I do empathize with them. And I don't need anthropomorphism or childish comparisons to Finding Nemo to do it. They have brains, goldfish can even be trained to navigate mazes. However, fish get to live natural lives before we eat them. So I would sooner eat a fish than a chicken.

I have to tackle this one. It really depends on the fish, if it's free-range then yes, you're right, it lived a normal life and died a somewhat normal way. If it's farmed, then you're wrong, for the same reasons chickens suck on most(not all) farms. If farmers adopted the "clean" movement and ditched that vitriolic crap they call "corn" in the place of grass, then we'd all be happier/healthier/less morally hating towards eating meat because the animal would "live" as it were. I know I've mentioned it a few times, but seriously, don't believe the lie that Cows being 100% Corn Fed is a good thing. It's like humans eating the shit, it's very very VERY bad. Both for the cow and for us, it's just really REALLY cheap to produce in mass market and Governments pay out a lot in bonuses for growing large amounts of it. So it's greatly mass produced and used as a product to fluff up most consumer items, which is bad.

I realize this has little to do with meat. So, keeping with the topic. What do you "Non Canadians" consider "Canadian Bacon" to be?

 

[Bug MuIdoon]

OK.

I do not eat meat. I have been vegan for nearly 10 years now, and was vegetarian for about 12 years before that. I have, however, tried meat. While I was a kid, I tried bits now and again to see what it was or what I was "missing"

I do not eat meat because I love animals (waits for animal sex joke response) they are incredible, and quite frankly, to me, a piece of meat looks exactly like what it is, a piece of carcass. I imagine my feelings towards meat would be what most of your feelings would be if someone presented you with a human steak, told you it was human, and that the specific human had no choice if he wanted to be eaten, suffered greatly for most of his life and was killed in a barbaric way.

To me, I cannot understand how anyone can eat meat. I've tried to understand it, but can never get my head around it. The only way I can comprehend it is if someone's response is both of these, A) I do not give a shit towards the feelings of animals or care about animals in any way and B) I enjoy the taste. If your response is both of them, OK, now I understand you. I'm not saying we can be best friends, but your intentions are clear and honest.

I cannot, however, comprehend how someone who owns a pet can eat meat. I just can't understand it... I can't understand how you can give love to something (e.g. cat/dog) while you happily tuck in to some carcass of cow, unless your head is that desensitised towards what you're actually eating.

This go for vegetarians too. I don't really understand how you can justify your actions. I know quite a lot of veges and their usual response is along the lines of "I'm doing my bit". And, don't get me wrong, that bit your doing is cool, but how you can justify it being OK to not eat one animal, but quite happily enjoy the torture of another is beyond me.

P.S meat smells disgusting. (I know for a fact you're probably reading this right now thinking "No way! I loves the smell of my bacon!) but that smell is a lie. It's just a smell you've become so used to smelling. Go without your beloved bacon for a few years and you'll realise exactly what it smells like.. burning flesh and urine.

P.S KFC smells exactly like bad B.O



Captcha: Rice and beans. Pretty boring, but I'll take it over meat. Thanks, Captcha!

 

[MHR]

Do you eat meat?

no

If no, why?

I find the idea of having an animal raised its whole life in hellish conditions and killed young so I can have the chicken fingers instead of the salad to be absurd.

Would you eat Synthetic Meat?

yes

If you don't eat meat, what do you prefer?

Cheese and beans. I have cheese on every food item cheese is fit to grace, and I consume a lot of hummus cuz it's tasty. Lately I've been having pregnant-woman-like cravings for mushrooms that I have on veggies bean burgers.... gawd I want me one of those right now.

This go for vegetarians too. I don't really understand how you can justify your actions. I know quite a lot of veges and their usual response is along the lines of "I'm doing my bit". And, don't get me wrong, that bit your doing is cool, but how you can justify it being OK to not eat one animal, but quite happily enjoy the torture of another is beyond me.

I like to think of myself as a good person but not a saint. I deffer some of the responsibility of the good treatment of animals to the owners. I don't feel that all the responsibility has to be placed on me when cruelty-free dairy products can be made but a cruelty-free meat is currently impossible (unless we're talking a road-kill sort of situation.)

 

[FireAza]

Do you eat meat?
If yes, why?
If no, why?
Would you eat Synthetic Meat?
Do you have a preference in Meat?(as in both in terms of Animal and individual Dish)
If you don't eat meat, what do you prefer?

Yep.

Absolutely, except where the texture of the meat is part of the experience (i.e steak) since last I heard, synthetic meat was squishy since it was never actually used. It would be perfect for dips though, just imagine it! Crab dip with real crab in it!

I like seafood the best, specifically prawns, crabs and squid. I also love chicken and lamb. Beef is good too, but kinda plain-Jane since beef is used in a lot of things.

 

[sweetylnumb]

Bacon bacon bacon bacon and just so the mods dont ban me for low content (love you guys ) I really do like me some bacon.

I do think the whole institution of farming is a little gross though. i'd feel alot better about it if i hunted it myself or something. But then, i'd probably be to lazy. I have no moral high ground here. I just like meat.

 

[Idlemessiah]

Do you eat meat?
Yessiree

If yes, why?
Because it's normal. I grew up eating meat and I expect I'll carry on eating meat. I tried being vegetarian for a while but after a year I'd eaten pretty much every veggie meal you can make from whats available in a supermarket. It got boring.

Would you eat Synthetic Meat?
Yes, depending on the resources. I'm fine with a factory lab making my meat but I want to know where the base material is coming from.

Do you have a preference in Meat?(as in both in terms of Animal and individual Dish)
I'll eat pretty much any animal but you gotta love pig. Bacon, gammon, ham, chops, loins and ribs. Pulled pork sandwich with BBQ SAWCE!

If you don't eat meat, what do you prefer?
I'm quite happy eating vegetable curries and bakes. Cheese based meals are always nice. And falafels. OMG falafels *drool.

 

[Not Matt]

Yes. Because it is delicious. There really isn't much more than that. I do it to enjoy it, the nourishment is just and added bonus. And I eat all meat except synthetic. Because to me, that's just weird. I understand vegetarians can eat it but I think that's cheating

 

[Joccaren]

Do you eat meat?

Yes, in large amounts if possible.

If yes, why?

'cause it tastes good. Best tasting food on this planet, only thing that beats my love of sweet food.

Would you eat Synthetic Meat?

Provided it was as high-quality as normal meat, tasted the same, with the same texture, same juiciness and same nutritional value as normal meat, yes. I.E: So long as it was exactly the same, as normal meat, with the only difference in quality being able to be explained by difference in animal quality were it normal meat, then sure.

Do you have a preference in Meat?(as in both in terms of Animal and individual Dish)

Lamb. Slow cooked on a barbeque. Conveniently what I had 2 nights ago for dinner. I cooked that well. It was delicious.

 

[Senare]

Do you eat meat?
Yes and no. I try to avoid it but I do not pass up when someone offers me meat in a meal.

If yes, why?
Because it mostly tastes well, it is somewhat nutritious and a life has already been irrevocably lost to bring it there.

If no, why?
1. Because meat production is unnecessary immoral and extremely wasteful energy-wise.
2. Because vegetarian/vegan foods are generally superior in nutritional value, cost (both energy and economically) and better align with my morals.
3. Because I feel that meat is not valued by the general public as highly as I think it should be.

Would you eat Synthetic Meat?
Yes. Theoretically it should be safe and only superficially different (i.e. it was grown in a lab) from conventional meat. While we are at it we should develop cheaper hydroponics and solar power.

Do you have a preference in Meat?(as in both in terms of Animal and individual Dish)
Different meats lend themselves to different dishes. E.g. ground meat should be exclusively made of cow meat in my book and pork is nice for pork chops and bacon.

If you don't eat meat, what do you prefer?
As a different protein source: Soy granulates, legumes, beans.
Otherwise there are more things on the plate than meat even for those who eat meat.