Metal Gear Rising is now set after MGS4.
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Dango said:
Quoted from the website:RagnarokHybrid said:
OT: Let's see what they're gonna make of this. I was also very interested in what happened to Raiden between 2 and 4, but whatever. We might get flashback-sequences.
Even if not, this one is a must-buy for me. It's Platinum Games we're talking about here, goddamnit!
MGS has always been over the top to be sure, but there's no denying the tone has changed. There's always been an underlying point to Metal Gear games, even though that turns some people away since it can feel preachy, it's been there for those who like it. MGS2 was a convoluted story of AI, giant mechs and a bisexual vampire yes, but it was also about not taking ideas at face value, thinking about your culture and your idols. Peace Walker was about blowing up giant singing tanks, but also commented on nuclear war.BloodWriter said:
It doesn't feel like Rising has anything to say besides "Holy shit look how awesome violence and cutting dudes up is!" and that is why this trailer rubs me the wrong way.
Yeah ok, that would make more sense. Could only see a tiny part of the trailer, as it keeps getting stuck at buffering. It still kinda feels weird though, seeing as MGS4 had stopped the personal war entirely, with everyone still alive going back to a more peaceful life.Kevin Delgado said:
Ah well, I don't know enough about the game yet, so I'll refrain from judging it for now.
Alright. It seems they have some explaining to do.
Metal Gear Solid: Rising was shaping up to be something a fair bit different than other hack-n-slashes. It was shaping up to be a more subdued in appearance, tactical, and stealthy; it was going to be the kind of game where you could avoid killing altogether. In fact, many would probably want to play the way of the pacifist as slicing enemies in Rising looked far different than slicing enemies in, say, Devil May Cry. Cutting something meant you wrecked its shit. Thoroughly. Everything the blade touched, it halved. You had fucktons of power at your fingertips.
This trailer makes it look like a straight-up, traditional action game. No observation of enemy patterns atop rooftops. No infiltrating bases without raising a single enemy eyebrow. Cuts like any other action game, leaving no mark on the enemy until their health runs out and we get our executions. Traditional(ish) action game. That's a significant change of direction from Rising.
Granted, we don't actually know that the tactics and stealth are gone, and they can probably justify the rather solid enemies in the plot somewhere (their insides looked metallic and all), and this trailer could very well have been made simply to reveal what Platinum brings to the table as opposed to what it takes away. However, the switch of developers to Platinum likely means that it will indeed be something more in line with Bayonetta than Metal Gear Solid in terms of gameplay.
My nipples are rock hard for this game, but let's not dismiss the criticisms of those disappointed as them just being whiny and unpleasable.
Huh. I didn't think of that. Good observation.Kevin Delgado said:
While I like the look of this too (practically jizzed my pants the first time I saw it), let's be fair to the pissed off people.Kevin Delgado said:
Metal Gear Solid: Rising was shaping up to be something a fair bit different than other hack-n-slashes. It was shaping up to be a more subdued in appearance, tactical, and stealthy; it was going to be the kind of game where you could avoid killing altogether. In fact, many would probably want to play the way of the pacifist as slicing enemies in Rising looked far different than slicing enemies in, say, Devil May Cry. Cutting something meant you wrecked its shit. Thoroughly. Everything the blade touched, it halved. You had fucktons of power at your fingertips.
This trailer makes it look like a straight-up, traditional action game. No observation of enemy patterns atop rooftops. No infiltrating bases without raising a single enemy eyebrow. Cuts like any other action game, leaving no mark on the enemy until their health runs out and we get our executions. Traditional(ish) action game. That's a significant change of direction from Rising.
Granted, we don't actually know that the tactics and stealth are gone, and they can probably justify the rather solid enemies in the plot somewhere (their insides looked metallic and all), and this trailer could very well have been made simply to reveal what Platinum brings to the table as opposed to what it takes away. However, the switch of developers to Platinum likely means that it will indeed be something more in line with Bayonetta than Metal Gear Solid in terms of gameplay.
My nipples are rock hard for this game, but let's not dismiss the criticisms of those disappointed as them just being whiny and unpleasable.
I have faith in Kojima, if he thought that taking Rising in a new direction is a good idea then it probably means the old idea was really great on the paper but sucked ass on the build.
Give it a chance, guys.
Just a few thing I am kinda annoyed about: a) Change the fucking title -.- REVENGEANCE is a word that is basically made out of cheese. and b) Get rid of that cheesy metal music, I don't want to mute the music in the game =\
Other than that, I'll give it a chance since Platinum makes great games.
EDIT: Or.. You know... Kojima went insane and decided to shit on his fans...
Give it a chance, guys.
Just a few thing I am kinda annoyed about: a) Change the fucking title -.- REVENGEANCE is a word that is basically made out of cheese. and b) Get rid of that cheesy metal music, I don't want to mute the music in the game =\
Other than that, I'll give it a chance since Platinum makes great games.
EDIT: Or.. You know... Kojima went insane and decided to shit on his fans...
This does seem to be a stupid decision.
I mean, changing the type of game they are is fine. That's their perogative. But, older fans will feel a bit miffed.
To counter that you'd put it in the middle and those older fans will feel more compelled to buy it, despite it not being their preferred game type. Because, it will impact on the story of the game they do like.
Putting it after though, that makes it easy for those fans to ignore it.
I mean, changing the type of game they are is fine. That's their perogative. But, older fans will feel a bit miffed.
To counter that you'd put it in the middle and those older fans will feel more compelled to buy it, despite it not being their preferred game type. Because, it will impact on the story of the game they do like.
Putting it after though, that makes it easy for those fans to ignore it.
I get what you're saying and I actually have to agree with you there. It's understandable why fans are angry over the drastic change to what was first shown. I think it was E3 2011 where they showed off gameplay for Rising that made it seem more along the lines of Metal Gear Solid 4 with sword gameplay. It appears that's the direction they were going for but suddenly switched due to the positive responses to Bayonetta (possibly). As for the game, maybe they're showing off simply moments that are over the top action set pieces; it could be that there is still stealth but they wanted to market it to a much larger audience by showing off a much more action oriented entry in the Metal Gear Series.Lord Beautiful said:
I think it's the fact that I can usually adjust to a new entry to a series, so long as they don't change the characters to be completely different, and judge it as a separate game. Although, as you stated earlier, fans do have a reason for being so upset.
Hahah, I could understand that...I guess the reason I really don't even connect this game with the MGS saga is because it's technically not Metal Gear SOLID: Rising anymore. It's Metal Gear Rising. Its own experimental entity. A definite spin-off a-la Link's Crossbow Training.SpaceBat said:
We won't really know until later until we find out just how connected the stories really are.
You beat me to it. Though I posted the same thing along with two other unpleasable fan [http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/UnpleasableFanbase] links in another Rising thread just yesterday.anthony87 said:
Also, from the comments section of the article the OP posted:
"For the record, for those who haven't listened to the lasted Kojima Productions stream, there actually is some explanation of how the game ended up as a collaboration between Platinum Games and KP. It's pretty much what you'd expect, but one part in particular may be of some relief/interest to the folks encountering a more jaded reaction to this news.
For one thing, the production staff was continuing to have a very tough time locking down how to tackle both stylized action and stealth components. This isn't new -- we heard about this over a year ago. It's not too surprising that things never quite materialized; it seems like whenever Kojima isn't helming an MGS title, the team inevitably, invariably screws up somehow. He hypes "younger developers" and then something goes wrong. Kojima checked up on the progress of Rising at a currently-undisclosed point, was not at all satisfied with how things were going and suspended development.
Kojima then had Platinum Games come by to offer advice, since you know, he's buddy-buddy with everyone of remote importance all throughout Japan these days. Platinum Games felt similarly, and then proceeded to offer taking over the reins. Kojima and his superiors were apparently delighted at the prospect, because, well, it happened. The stream isn't entirely clear on that and I suspect we'll never have the full scoop there, but maybe we'll get more information when "The Truth About Rising" premieres shortly.
Also of note, and this is where I think some concerns might be alleviated, is that Kojima Productions is in charge of the story and cutscene development. Now, I watch the new trailer for Rising and I definitely see the style of Bayonetta and not MGS4, so I'm not inclined to believe this is going to make things feel a bit more grounded from a visual perspective, but the story is very much being written by KP and not Platinum Games. The voice over direction is also being handled by Zimmerman as usual. Everything on that front is coming from KP, and the director is currently undisclosed but we'll see where that goes in due time.
Lastly, the thing about how Rising was going to be set between 2 and 4 but they scrapped the idea. Apparently, a rough script had formed in its entirety, and the scriptwriter felt attachment to it. In fact, the KP stream guys did too. They all liked it a good bit and were sad to see it go. When the union with Platinum Games was originally formed, KP thought there'd just be some revisions involved, but then they were asked to modify it entirely so that it's set after MGS4 with a few ties to the original treatment, in order to provide much more creative freedom from a gameplay perspective.
So allegedly, all the changes to the story have been doing to give the gameplay the freedom it needs. I really don't, personally, see how the setting is *that* important to the core of the gameplay, but whatever. Straight from the horse's mouth."
I would like to see them play on the whole transhumanism theme, much like Deus Ex: Human Revolution.
while i liked the idea of a backstory of Raiden type of deal (which they could still squeeze in through flashbacks), i really want to see what happens now that
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MGS4 was by far the greatest game i have ever played, and Kojima has not done much save amaze me throughout his career.
Big Boss is dead and Snake has only a few months left to live
MGS4 was by far the greatest game i have ever played, and Kojima has not done much save amaze me throughout his career.
I'm a big fan of the MGS series and here are my first toughts
1)the game could be good it doesn't matter that its different from the other games
2)the game is completely disconected with the rest (mgs 1,2,3,4) like MGS acid 1 and 2
3)this game seems more like a spinoff bringing new stories and characters which means that there will be more games like the first ones
So don't take it like a complete change of the series just enjoy it for what it is this is not a new direction it's a different type of game
1)the game could be good it doesn't matter that its different from the other games
2)the game is completely disconected with the rest (mgs 1,2,3,4) like MGS acid 1 and 2
3)this game seems more like a spinoff bringing new stories and characters which means that there will be more games like the first ones
So don't take it like a complete change of the series just enjoy it for what it is this is not a new direction it's a different type of game
That's probably the best way to explain the nature of the game; however, I think fans will be less likely to accept Rising as a spin-off compared to Acid mainly because of the system it is on. You'd be surprised how people can think differently of a game simply because it's on a different system; also if I recall there was a Metal Gear game for the Gameboy a long time ago that was pretty different than what most people were used to.The Night Shade said:
After MGS4? Huh? It seemed like Raiden had everything he wanted. Not to mention the Patriots are gone. What else could there possibly be?
Ah well, at least we won't have to worry about it breaking canon.
Ah well, at least we won't have to worry about it breaking canon.
As soon as I saw this trailer I thought "huh, this is the first metal gear game I not going to buy", I plan on getting metal gear 1 and 2, metal gear solid 2 substance and all the PSP ones.
To me this rising looks like god of war/DMC/bayonetta/ninja gaiden/whatever. Guns do dick all damage and the best combo in the game is light attack X2, heavy attack until later stages in the game when it is something like light attack X2, heavy attack X2.
These games just bore me shitless...
To me metal gear has always been a choice, play it like thief or play it like COD. Nothing in that trailer made it look anything other than COD.
Just seems like "we need a new IP that will sell! ... I know, new IP but with an old title!" me so sad ....
To me this rising looks like god of war/DMC/bayonetta/ninja gaiden/whatever. Guns do dick all damage and the best combo in the game is light attack X2, heavy attack until later stages in the game when it is something like light attack X2, heavy attack X2.
These games just bore me shitless...
To me metal gear has always been a choice, play it like thief or play it like COD. Nothing in that trailer made it look anything other than COD.
Just seems like "we need a new IP that will sell! ... I know, new IP but with an old title!" me so sad ....