Haha...i really enjoyed Systematic Chaos...In the presence of Enemies was awesomeJBarracudaL said:
At what point do you think they started going downhill?
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At what point do you think they started going downhill?
Like I said before, Metropolis 2 is the last album by them I consider good although I did like the second half of Six Degrees.
That overly forced Methul sound which started in The Glass Prison and HAS NOT FUCKING STOPPED SINCE is what killed my love of the band
They had substance, but got together one day, presumably after taking near lethal quantities of crack and decided "Hey! We're juggernauts of Prog Metal, we've established a very unique style, we have no duplicate... let's abandon that and try to imitate other groups not as good as us!"
I just don't get the direction they took at Train of Thought. (Though, Stream of Consciousness and the song Octavarium are very good and true to their old identity, imo)
I found Systematic Chaos to be "fun" and nothing more.
Clearly, it's music that requires immense talent to play, but you have to go pretty far out of your way to turn such talent into such passionless copy pasta.
That overly forced Methul sound which started in The Glass Prison and HAS NOT FUCKING STOPPED SINCE is what killed my love of the band
They had substance, but got together one day, presumably after taking near lethal quantities of crack and decided "Hey! We're juggernauts of Prog Metal, we've established a very unique style, we have no duplicate... let's abandon that and try to imitate other groups not as good as us!"
I just don't get the direction they took at Train of Thought. (Though, Stream of Consciousness and the song Octavarium are very good and true to their old identity, imo)
I found Systematic Chaos to be "fun" and nothing more.
Clearly, it's music that requires immense talent to play, but you have to go pretty far out of your way to turn such talent into such passionless copy pasta.
I've yet to properly listen to the new SS album because Pitch Black Progress is one of those albums I've listened to non stop, so I kind of OD'd on that one album.Rusty Bucket said:
Obzen is fantastic, a real return to form (ie: Destroy Erase Improve era).
I guess it's a case of each to his own. I hear a fair few fans feel the same way you do about the difference in sound. Their earlier stuff was certainly unique, but i tend to think that "Falling into Infinity" was their weakest album (with LaBrie).JBarracudaL said:
Certainly to each their own, afterall, matters of musical quality are all just opinion.KyleTheAngry said:
Falling Into Infinity was rather lousy, though I still prefer it over the subsequent releases post Six Degrees.
Falling Into Infinity had some magic on it, Lines In The Sand is easily one of my favorite Dream Theater songs.
I tried reading in on this and was met with a ton of people talking about metalcore (which isn't metal), nu-metal (which also isn't metal), and bands I personally can't stand.
Now I will explain how they aren't metal: metalcore is just punk sped up with distorted guitars added. (Yes I understand some 'metalcore' doesn't fit that definition but pretty much 99% of it does, and yes I'm biased so that 99% might be wrong.) Nu-metal doesn't really play the same as metal. Its riffing is different entirely, it uses pretty much everything as a rhythm instrument, it's practically rap with electric guitars. It's all tripe marketed to younger kids whining about *feeeeelings* instead of doing something interesting, which makes me think of grunge before metal. I've heard people characterize it as having a base of hard rock and then fusing other stuff into it, but I don't have a wide musical palate so I couldn't say there.
Try giving this a read; http://metal-archives.com/ . Encyclopedia Metallum is a pretty good place to go for metal. I've found a number of interesting bands no one's ever heard of before thanks to it (off the top of my head, Kalijuge).
Kudos to the guy on the front page who namedropped The Absence.
Now, personal taste time! Doom is good, but I tend to prefer genre-bending doom that's mixed up with melodeath. Funeral doom is listenable but I generally save it for things like "I'm trying to sleep." Thrash is good but I don't like a lot of it for seemingly random reasons. Melodeath is great but I don't listen to much straight death (generally find it boring and when they go all gore-styled it's just ridiculous and childish). Tech death I find somewhat hard to listen to but when the mood strikes me, it's amazing. Prog is ok but I can't STAND Dream Theater and that's all any one seems to talk about when 'prog metal' is in question. Black I don't much like the sound of but I've heard a little done well.
Now I will explain how they aren't metal: metalcore is just punk sped up with distorted guitars added. (Yes I understand some 'metalcore' doesn't fit that definition but pretty much 99% of it does, and yes I'm biased so that 99% might be wrong.) Nu-metal doesn't really play the same as metal. Its riffing is different entirely, it uses pretty much everything as a rhythm instrument, it's practically rap with electric guitars. It's all tripe marketed to younger kids whining about *feeeeelings* instead of doing something interesting, which makes me think of grunge before metal. I've heard people characterize it as having a base of hard rock and then fusing other stuff into it, but I don't have a wide musical palate so I couldn't say there.
Try giving this a read; http://metal-archives.com/ . Encyclopedia Metallum is a pretty good place to go for metal. I've found a number of interesting bands no one's ever heard of before thanks to it (off the top of my head, Kalijuge).
Kudos to the guy on the front page who namedropped The Absence.
Now, personal taste time! Doom is good, but I tend to prefer genre-bending doom that's mixed up with melodeath. Funeral doom is listenable but I generally save it for things like "I'm trying to sleep." Thrash is good but I don't like a lot of it for seemingly random reasons. Melodeath is great but I don't listen to much straight death (generally find it boring and when they go all gore-styled it's just ridiculous and childish). Tech death I find somewhat hard to listen to but when the mood strikes me, it's amazing. Prog is ok but I can't STAND Dream Theater and that's all any one seems to talk about when 'prog metal' is in question. Black I don't much like the sound of but I've heard a little done well.
Something fast (Metallica, Slayer), something powerful (Iron Maiden, Black Sabbath) and something EPIC(Dio, Manowar).
Note: these are examples.
Note: these are examples.
Could all those Metal elitists w@anking on about what is and isn't metal just STFU!
It's as bad as fanboys moaning about a console.
Metal is what metal does!
Korn and Maiden both get the juices going so who cares?
We supposed to start threads for every iterarion of every kind of metal to keep the snobs happy?
It's as bad as fanboys moaning about a console.
Metal is what metal does!
Korn and Maiden both get the juices going so who cares?
We supposed to start threads for every iterarion of every kind of metal to keep the snobs happy?
Pity theyve gone shit now. They need Lord Worm back, even though hes dying, or at least the black guy they had for a while.Alphavillain said:
Probably. I personaly dont like it when someone mentions metal and someone like Linkin Park/As I Lay Dying/some other shite in the same sentence (unless they say they arent metal) but I can over look it. Unless the person keeps doing it or something.The_Deleted said:
Anyway, anyone here from Ireland see Opeth the other week? They were amazing.
You should give it a listen. The vocals have improved a lot, they really seem to have grown into their sound well.The_Deleted said:
Just finished listening to ObZen. Wasn't overly impressed, but i expect that'll come woth time. Really loved Bleed though.
Thanks, i've been name dropping them all over this thread, trying to get as many people interested as possible. They deserve the attention.TSED said:
Of course it has rhythm, all music has rhythm. How can it not. What have you heard that has no rhythm? You can't say this stuff without examples.ANTI-SANTA said:
Yes, Disturbed and Slipknot do both have rhythm. They are also both appaling bands.