Metal thread

[The_Deleted]

Shit, I forgot Atheist.

Piece of Time!!!
Now you've brought that beauty up it's reminded me of
Sabbat: History of A Time To Come
Bathory: Hammerheart (an aquired taste, but dripping with atmosphere)

 

[BardSeed]

I'm not say they all have no rythm, just the low key ones that arent as famous as say Slipknot or Disturbed. Now those guys have rythm.

Of course they have rhythm, it wouldn't be music otherwise. Oh, wait, I forgot that commercial/famous bands = good music.

 

[searanox]

More recently, I've picked up The Fathomless Mastery by Bloodbath, Vertebrae by Enslaved, OM by Negură Bunget, and I also found a limited edition digipak re-release of The Erosion of Sanity by Gorguts. All of those obviously come highly recommended. I also picked up Eld by Enslaved and Blot by Einherjer (both of which I'd downloaded years ago, but wanted to support the artists and have them in higher quality), the latter of which is an excellent power/thrash metal album with black metal and folk metal overtones and Viking-themed lyrics (which are actually quite excellent), and the former of which is known to be one of the best epic Viking metal albums ever released (it's up there with Hammerheart and anything by Moonsorrow, for sure).

Haha...i really enjoyed Systematic Chaos...In the presence of Enemies was awesome
At what point do you think they started going downhill?

Ever since Awake came out, they've basically tried to be heavier and heavier. The problem is that they're a bunch of silly, arrogant Christian pricks and their pseudo-metal image is so transparent it makes me want to wretch. They need to just going back to making melodic, progressive, and vocal-oriented rock/metal, because that's what they're good at.

I'm not say they all have no rythm, just the low key ones that arent as famous as say Slipknot or Disturbed. Now those guys have rythm.

Those bands are not metal, nor are they even remotely decent. Rhythmic, I suppose, could be used to describe Slipknot, who pay people to dress up in goofy masks and bang on garbage cans. That doesn't make them good. In fact, it makes them terrible.

Speaking of Meshuggah above, I'm not sure what to think of their new album. I haven't bought it, but I have listened to a few songs. I really liked Nothing and Catch Thirtythree for a while, but eventually started to bore the hell out of me. They just strike me as kind of bland, and it's as if I prefer the idea of the music more than the music itself.

 

[Rusty Bucket]

One of the problems i have with Meshuggah (and experimental/progressive metal in general) is that they often seem to experiment for the sake of experimentation, not because the sections drive the songs forward. I have to say though, Meshuggah's new album is already starting to grow on me. The double bass patterns in bleed are mindblowing, and i love the simplicity of combustion.

 

[searanox]

One of the problems i have with Meshuggah (and experimental/progressive metal in general) is that they often seem to experiment for the sake of experimentation, not because the sections drive the songs forward. I have to say though, Meshuggah's new album is already starting to grow on me. The double bass patterns in bleed are mindblowing, and i love the simplicity of combustion.

Yeah, that's why I say I always thought the idea of their music is better than the music itself... a blend between futuristic groove/thrash metal with some doom and progressive elements sounds great on paper, but half the time it just turns into plodding, mind-numbing drudgery.

 

[The Kind Cannibal]

Strapping Young Lad anyone?

 

[searanox]

Strapping Young Lad anyone?

Meh. Pretty intense and great production, but again, I found myself tiring of them after a few months of obsession. The mild nu-metal and metalcore elements don't help either.

 

[Arsen]

I would like to hereby mention that Gorgoroth is the worst metal band out there as of now.

Windir, Bathory, The Summoning, Wolves in the Throne Room...

Those are better examples of Black Metal.

 

[Rusty Bucket]

One of the problems i have with Meshuggah (and experimental/progressive metal in general) is that they often seem to experiment for the sake of experimentation, not because the sections drive the songs forward. I have to say though, Meshuggah's new album is already starting to grow on me. The double bass patterns in bleed are mindblowing, and i love the simplicity of combustion.

Yeah, that's why I say I always thought the idea of their music is better than the music itself... a blend between futuristic groove/thrash metal with some doom and progressive elements sounds great on paper, but half the time it just turns into plodding, mind-numbing drudgery.

I find them ok in small doses, but can't listen for any great length of time. I really like combustion from obZen though. It's more like a standard metal song with better drums. That's really the only reason i keep listening to them, Tomas Haake is a beast of a drummer.

 

[searanox]

I would like to hereby mention that Gorgoroth is the worst metal band out there as of now.

Windir, Bathory, The Summoning, Wolves in the Throne Room...

Those are better examples of Black Metal.

Gorgoroth are amazing, in my opinion. Yes, the band members are all complete dicks, but they have produced some of the absolute most aggressive, destructive and downright evil black metal ever made. There are bands I prefer, but you cannot argue with their influence or the force of their wrath.

Bathory is first-wave black metal and hardly comparable to newer bands. I've heard of Windir, but haven't listened to them. I'm not sure what "The Summoning" is, but Summoning (no The) is a two-man symphonic/atmospheric post-black group from Austria and produce some very nice and highly melodic music. Bathory and Summoning (if you're referring to them) are nothing like Gorgoroth, who have more in common with 1349 and the like.

By the way, if you're into more melodic black metal (without keyboards and stuff) then check out earlier Satyricon (first three albums) if you haven't already. I think you'll approve. If you want raw atmosphere, Leviathan and Xasthur are both excellent (though incredibly depressing) and continue the ideas set down in Burzum years ago.

 

[Ian Dorsch]

Strapping Young Lad anyone?

Yes. I like most of the stuff Devin puts out, even the goofy stuff. He'll probably never top City or Ocean Machine, though.

 

[Arsen]

I would like to hereby mention that Gorgoroth is the worst metal band out there as of now.

Windir, Bathory, The Summoning, Wolves in the Throne Room...

Those are better examples of Black Metal.

Gorgoroth are amazing, in my opinion. Yes, the band members are all complete dicks, but they have produced some of the absolute most aggressive, destructive and downright evil black metal ever made. There are bands I prefer, but you cannot argue with their influence or the force of their wrath.

Bathory is first-wave black metal and hardly comparable to newer bands. I've heard of Windir, but haven't listened to them. I'm not sure what "The Summoning" is, but Summoning (no The) is a two-man symphonic/atmospheric post-black group from Austria and produce some very nice and highly melodic music. Bathory and Summoning (if you're referring to them) are nothing like Gorgoroth, who have more in common with 1349 and the like.

By the way, if you're into more melodic black metal (without keyboards and stuff) then check out earlier Satyricon (first three albums) if you haven't already. I think you'll approve. If you want raw atmosphere, Leviathan and Xasthur are both excellent (though incredibly depressing) and continue the ideas set down in Burzum years ago.

Leviathan is the type of Black Metal I don't like. It lacks the beauty of certain other bands who are more atmospheric than overly hateful and destructive. Xasthur...wow. I tried listening to one album and it sounded like the evilest sowing machine I had ever heard.

All in all, Black Metal is good when it is done right. However, if it lacks the element of beauty then it detracts from the overall atmosphere of it. Burzum, Wolves in the Throne Room, Dissection, Windir, Bathory, and many other bands all have that essential element. Gorgoroth, though good musicians, lack that beauty.

Believe me, I know Black Metal front and back. Satryicon's "Rebel Extravaganza" is one of their best albums. Emperor of course with Anthems to Welkins at Dusk...is probably THE best Black Metal album ever made. I must make that claim here.

 

[Stevato]

Thrash Metal baby... Metallica, Megadeth, Slayer, Testament, Death Angel,
Alternative Metal... SlipKnot
Death metal... Arch Enemy, Lamb of God, In Flames
Symphonic Metal... Nightwish
Groove Metal... Pantera, Machine Head
Industrial Metal... Rammstein

Just a taste of my metal library I'll clarify my faviorite is Thrash

 

[Silvertongue]

I'm a big fan of Progressive, Power, and Symphonic Metal.

This defines my primary metal tastes, but I'll listen to some heavy stuff from time to time...like Cattle Decapitation. They're a vegetarian deathgrind/goregrind band. They protest the so called evils of the meat industry. Soilwork is really as close to death metal as I listen to on a regular basis, though.

 

[Grand_Poohbah]

Metallica
Bullet For My Valentine
All That Remains
Disturbed

It's gotta be fast and it has to make me want to throw a stool through my window.

(EDIT) I can has first on this page?

 

[Silvertongue]

Honestly, as a Christian myself, I think those "traditional Christians" are bigots and nothing else. That so-called "traditional" stuff is wrong and it's not doing any good for Christianity. There is seriously no way that people that intolerant can worship the same Jesus that I do.

Lord, I agree with you there 100%. My sentiments exactly.

 

[KyleTheAngry]

Ever since Awake came out, they've basically tried to be heavier and heavier. The problem is that they're a bunch of silly, arrogant Christian pricks and their pseudo-metal image is so transparent it makes me want to wretch. They need to just going back to making melodic, progressive, and vocal-oriented rock/metal, because that's what they're good at.

Silly, perhaps. Arrogant, having not met them i can't comment. Christian pricks? I don't see how one's faith influences one's musical abilities. As for their image, what do you mean transparent? All I see is a bunch of awesome musicians playing music they enjoy. All of their music is melodic, though perhaps slightly less progressive these days. I always felt their music was more about the instrumentals rather than the vocals (though the latter *are* fantastic).

 

[searanox]

Leviathan is the type of Black Metal I don't like. It lacks the beauty of certain other bands who are more atmospheric than overly hateful and destructive. Xasthur...wow. I tried listening to one album and it sounded like the evilest sowing machine I had ever heard.

All in all, Black Metal is good when it is done right. However, if it lacks the element of beauty then it detracts from the overall atmosphere of it. Burzum, Wolves in the Throne Room, Dissection, Windir, Bathory, and many other bands all have that essential element. Gorgoroth, though good musicians, lack that beauty.

Believe me, I know Black Metal front and back. Satryicon's "Rebel Extravaganza" is one of their best albums. Emperor of course with Anthems to Welkins at Dusk...is probably THE best Black Metal album ever made. I must make that claim here.

Anthems is good but it hasn't stuck with me as much as other albums... I loved it the first while when I had it, but I rarely touch it anymore.

Black metal doesn't have to necessarily have melody in order to be good; it's not a defining trait of the music (that's why we have melodic black metal as a sub-genre after all). Of course, if you don't like it, that's fine... the whole point of Leviathan and Xasthur is to evoke feelings of intense sadness and depression through their thick production, heavily distorted vocals, droning song structures and use of dissonance in songwriting, not to offer the sort of pseudo-goth atmosphere that other more melodic bands employ.

Silly, perhaps. Arrogant, having not met them i can't comment. Christian pricks? I don't see how one's faith influences one's musical abilities. As for their image, what do you mean transparent? All I see is a bunch of awesome musicians playing music they enjoy. All of their music is melodic, though perhaps slightly less progressive these days. I always felt their music was more about the instrumentals rather than the vocals (though the latter *are* fantastic).

I never said they were pricks because they were Christians, although the Christianity is a problem in its own right (I won't discuss that here as it's not particularly relevant). They're arrogant because they revel in their own talents and have been pumping out wanky, emotionless, uninspired albums for the last few years, trying to cash in on trends by going "darker and edgier" and incorporating elements from nu-metal and even rap in a couple of places (the second-last album has a lot of stuff lifted from bands like U2, as well). Half their songs these days seem to exist solely to show off their mad guitar skillz. Just look, at the difference in band photos - the darker lighting, the leather jackets, the longer hair... they're trying their hardest to look metal and it's not working.

Look, they're extremely talented musicians, but ever since Metropolis they've been going by the numbers and they have yet to top their second album in consistency and quality. What I'm saying is that they need to buck the stupid hardcore image they're courting younger, stupider fans with and just pick up from where they left off a few years ago. Come on, when you start writing songs with six-minute masturbation solos, you know you're running out of ideas.

 

[The Kind Cannibal]

Groove metal is a gem in my opinion among the horde of metal sub genres in todays world.
Bands like:
Lamb of God
Pantera
Devildriver
Five Finger Death Punch
Skinlab
Soulfly
Hellyeah