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Todd Ralph

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LCpl USMC enlisted April 1st 2011, went to Recruit Training Nov. 15 2011. The first few weeks were just a culture shock however its easy to adjust to if you want to. Training can be strenuous especially in my experience as living in a squad bay with 109 other recruits all from different parts of the country with different germs will make you very sick. I still have the recruit crud even after a year and change. Hours are usually good in my opinion. Wake up at 0430 or earlier and be in the barracks at 1800 and in the racks by 2000. We usually did different types of physical training depending on the days. It could be runs one day endurance courses, combat training, and other things. Boot was only 3 months and that was conditoning us to respond to orders and drill. the next month was combat training and then 2 months of mos training. ive been deployed over seas for 7 months now.

So far while I hate my mos I highly enjoy my time in the Marine Corp and it was the best choice i ever made
 

Zhukov

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What country are you from?

I've done military training in Australia, but I don't have much idea what it's like in other parts of the world. You're clearly not an Aussie since we don't have conscription here.

Anyway, going by my own experiences, it's generally not as bad as people think. It's stressful, physically fairly intensive and you get yelled at a lot. But it's not cruel or overly abusive, none of that Full Metal Jacket business. If there's nasty shit going on, take a photo and lodge a complaint. They take that sort of thing really seriously these days.

Some tips:
1) Do not volunteer for anything. Trite but true.
2) Tell them about your leg injury. They'll make arrangements. After all, exercising you into hospital doesn't benefit anyone.
3) The first week or so will be really fucking miserable. But rest assured, you will get used to it fairly quickly.
4) Do your best not to stand out in any way.
5) Make an effort to make friends with your fellow recruits, or at least be on good terms with them. You're going to be stuck with those guys for a while, and few things suck more than being stuck with someone you hate. Besides, having some mates around makes the time pass easier. Something that's no fun alone can be hilarious with friends.
6) When they eventually hand you a weapon, don't be a jackass. Every soldier has a story about someone being accidentally killed or injured because some other idiot wasn't handling his weapon properly.
 

Terrik

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I too was in your position a few years ago, and I was worried too. Sure it was tough at times, but I got to learn a whole lot about myself as a person and that I can accomplish a whole lot more than I thought, and I also met lots of great people.

Now that it's all and done with I can say it was one of the best experiences of my life.

Some great tips from Zhukov there, feels like he covered the more important bits.
 

Todd Ralph

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never be first never be last
never be smart but dont be dumb

respond loudly and properly
treat superiors with respect and equals even better
even USMC training isnt as bad as the horror stories used to be. hell i made it you can to.
 

mooncalf

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Alot can happen in two years but it isn't all that long, I say take what life has given you and make the most of it, maybe in two years you'll come back and post how it went?
 

WolfThomas

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I know a few people who did military service in Singapore, interesting enough all the children of Tamil refugees. One thing I've noticed that you get something to compare every crappy circumstance in life against. "Pfft you call this rain, back when I did my military service this was a shower, we'd crack out the soap and everything,",

Though it's the same with my friends in the Australian army, so I think it's pretty universal.
 

redisforever

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RevRaptor said:
It's nothing like the movies. I can't say for sure what you are in for being a different country and all but most solders act like decent human beings, even the ones training you. You might even enjoy yourself. One thing though expect a lot of shouting, doesn't matter what country you are in they is always shouting, then they make you shout, then everyone shouts. No one ever talks in the army they just shout and grunt at each other, you'll get used to it in no time :D
Most of the shouting is just part of their job. My dad was in the Israeli army, he told me his drill sergeant was always loud during drills, but they became friends, and he's a nice guy. Shouting is just to prepare you for doing things quickly.

OT: Just inform the army about your knee injury, I'm sure they'll do something about that.
 

Robert Ewing

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If you have an injury you can't do it. Simple as, if you are unable to complete the basic training you can get out of any further postings.

But do not underestimate basic training, it's tough work.
 

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SomeLameStuff said:
I'm being conscripted into the army tomorrow against my will (conscription usually is). It's a two year thing, where they put you through Basic Training for about three months before you get a job posting somewhere. There's no way of weasling out of it besides sneaking out of the country and becoming a fugitive, so I'm kinda stuck with it.

I know we have some military type guys on the forums here, so I wanted to ask about what I can expect from the training. I'm not the atheletic type, not since I got a knee injury some years back, so how much trouble will I be in? What nightmares will I be in for? And will I be shooting myself in the head with my rifle like that fat guy from Full Metal Jacket?

Also, for anyone wondering, we're getting paid about $200 a month for this. Joy.
Sorry to hear that, SLS. I'm sure you'll be fine, and I don't think they'd make you do anything too stenuous or painful if you explain your knee problem.

Best of luck with it, my good friend :)
 

Elementary - Dear Watson

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I won't lie to you, It wont feel fun while you are there. It will be a lot of work, and sometimes it will feel as though you are being messed about for no reason what so ever. Trust me though, after the basic training life gets a lot better though! And when you look back on training, you realise it was actually, in a strange way, awesome!

Get to know the guys you are training with. You are all getting the same experience, so you might as well actually experience it together! You make awesome friends for life on initial training. Much more so than actually working with people. Even on shorter experiences! Honestly, if you play it right you will feel the 'brothers in arms' cliche first hand, and my god it is awesome!

The training you get is really useful too! ONce you have been forced to work with sleep deprivation (looking at your profile, you've already subjected yourself to it! :p) then when you actually have to do it in real life, for other reasons, you know your limitations and it is really easy to do!

Last of all, dont forget, it is not forever! Mark out the milestones along the training! Such as Saturday nights, or each test, or public holidays. Gives you something to look forward too/mark off as you go along. This helps the time pass by easier! Trust me, it seems like a long time now, but afterwards it will feel like it was just a couple of days!

Good luck fella, and see you on the other side!

Deano,
UK RAF
(BTW my initial training was over a year! The quickest year of my life! :p)
 

Knife

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Depends what unit you get put into, artillery, infantry and so on. Infantry is usually the toughest one physically. I'd try and get out on medical condition. Just bug the doctors a lot about it and keep telling everyone your knee hurts (which most likely it will). If you're persistent enough you'll usually get transfered to an easier spot (a lot of people do that with no medical issues whatsoever and succeed nonetheless).

While you're there expect a lot of shouting, useless orders (they give the stupidest orders just to train you to obey thoughtlessly), a lot of walking and carrying (2-10kg equipment), quite enough of sleep deprivation (about 6 hours of sleep per day, sometimes less).
First couple of weeks are usually introduction and will be a bit easier, it will get harder as it goes.

Then there will be a whole lot of time spent at the shooting range (about a month) which is rather shitty because shooting ranges are usually off base and you get back to base only on weekends (meaning no shower for almost a week and sleeping in tents that leak in winter and are scorching hot in summer), also since you're off base there's constant need for guards (that includes night time, meaning another cut of 10-30 minutes out of your sleep time, which sucks even more if its in the middle since you won't be able to fall asleep right away, basically cutting 6 hours of sleep into 5 hours of sleep - try and get either the first shift or the last shift).

If you get into infantry the shooting range will continue for another couple of months (this reminds me, get some pads for your knees and elbows, its a ***** falling with them on the concrete floor of the shooting range, this also reminds me - you'll be getting a lot of cuts and bruises, so brings some liquid soap and bandages for first aid, it could take a day till you see a medic and a week till you see an actual doctor). Bring warm clothes for winter, and a sports outfit - chances are you'll have running exercises.

If you get into artillery/tanks/etc the next couple of months will be spent learning about the vehicle and your job operating it (which is frankly much simpler than the shooting range).

General tips - try to blend in (stand in the middle and chances are your superiors are less likely to notice you), shit and piss whenever possible (i'm serious here, get used to the idea your time is no longer your own and the most basic actions now require permission from someone else who probably doesn't care about soldier number xyz and his weak bladder, which also reminds me TP is worth its weight in gold in the army so bring 2-3 rolls as backup), try and make your orders in time but don't exert yourself too much (there will always be another task for you to do when you finish your current one, it will be so for months), any problem you encounter - immediately let your superiors know repeatedly (noone cares about you if you aren't loud about it), stay organized as much as possible - be prepared to get your clothes on in complete darkness (chances are you'll either be woken up in the middle of the night for a guard shift or before sunrise as your daily routine) it will save you much valuable time.

Never forget where your weapon is - this is a major offense in the army that will get you screwed over, sleep with your weapon beneath your head (yes, i'm serious, if you don't your superiors will try and steal it from you in the night and come morning punish you for it). Bring some soup or candy with you, most army food is atrocious and monotone. Make sure you check your uniform and boots right after you get them - they are usually the wrong size or otherwise unusable, make sure you get all the equipment you signed for - you'll have to pay out of your "salary" for everything missing once you return it. Bring a lock with you - to put on your bags, when people lose their equipment they steal it from their neighbours. Bring a marker and write your name and serial number on every piece of equipment you get - in case of dispute you can prove its yours.
Bring a knife - both to cut food in the field and for some other stuff (believe me its very handy). Bring scissors to cut your fingernails, bring a lighter - again it can be very handy. Bring a flashlight - for obvious reasons. Bring something antifungal - your legs will thank you for it. Bring a pen and a small notepad - good for writing down lists of equipment, things you might ask from your superiors, your tasks and so on. A week long supply of clean underwear, shirts, socks (though those might be provided). Bring some footwear for showers - might save you some fungus problems in the future (and don't forget a towel, shampoo and soap).

If you get into basic training for non-active combatants it will be a hell of a lot easier both physically and discipline-wise. I suggest you get as far away from air and water branches and stick to ground - those guys don't usually see home for quite some time.

Ofcourse this nightmare called basic training only lasts a few months, then it gets easier in many aspects and harder in some others. Despite everything i mentioned, it might not be THAT bad, you might actually have some fun and meet some nice people (though unlikely...yeah i'm an optimist). Its been a few years since i got out, so i may be a bit off (not to mention every experience is unique).

There's was only a guy or two out of thousands at my base who commited suicide, so that's unlikely to happen to you (though not impossible) - if you ever feel like you are about to - please don't and tell your superiors you need to see a psychiatrist and refuse to do anything untill then (the worst they can do is send you to prison, which in all honesty is actually better in many ways).
And the reserve duty after you get out is really not that bad in comparison.

Master Sergeant in reserve Knife.
 

Llil

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Knife said:
Holy wall of text, Batman!
You give good advice, but it takes real effort to read a solid block of text like that. You might want to edit that to be more readable.
 

HotFezz8

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SomeLameStuff said:
I'm being conscripted into the army tomorrow against my will (conscription usually is). It's a two year thing, where they put you through Basic Training for about three months before you get a job posting somewhere. There's no way of weasling out of it besides sneaking out of the country and becoming a fugitive, so I'm kinda stuck with it.

I know we have some military type guys on the forums here, so I wanted to ask about what I can expect from the training. I'm not the atheletic type, not since I got a knee injury some years back, so how much trouble will I be in? What nightmares will I be in for? And will I be shooting myself in the head with my rifle like that fat guy from Full Metal Jacket?

Also, for anyone wondering, we're getting paid about $200 a month for this. Joy.
where the fuck are you from??
 

SomeLameStuff

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Joccaren said:
Oh, and please tell me that knee injury was caused by an arrow. I'm sorry, but that call has to be made...
Actually, it was caused by my knee meeting the concrete floor at high speeds, followed by the fat prick who tackled me landing on it.

I'd rather an arrow...
 

Knife

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Llil said:
Holy wall of text, Batman!
You give good advice, but it takes real effort to read a solid block of text like that. You might want to edit that to be more readable.
Alright, i'll try and summarise in my next post - might take me half an hour or so.
 

SomeLameStuff

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HotFezz8 said:
where the fuck are you from??
Singapore, unfortunately. Funny enough, I got a Military Training summons from Malaysia as well, which is only for 3 months. But if I do that, I am effectively banned from returning to Singapore for the rest of my life.
 

Llil

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Knife said:
Llil said:
Holy wall of text, Batman!
You give good advice, but it takes real effort to read a solid block of text like that. You might want to edit that to be more readable.
Alright, i'll try and summarise in my next post - might take me half an hour or so.
No need for that. Just edit some space between paragraphs. It does wonders.
 

HotFezz8

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Llil said:
Knife said:
Llil said:
Holy wall of text, Batman!
You give good advice, but it takes real effort to read a solid block of text like that. You might want to edit that to be more readable.
Alright, i'll try and summarise in my next post - might take me half an hour or so.
No need for that. Just edit some space between paragraphs. It does wonders.
seconded. don't summarize, the parts i read were good, you just need to paragraph