Minding Your Language

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NewClassic_v1legacy

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Minding Your Language
[sup][user]NewClassic[/user] considers the power and pretension of language.[/sup]

Contrary to what the title may suggest, this is not a thread about the use of expletives or cuss words, but rather a thread examining diction and word-choice. Largely because I've been spending a lot of time carefully considering which words I use and how they're placed.

Normally, this would be a really bizarre topic to consider. Because it's such a natural thing to just use whatever language normally comes out of your mouth regardless of what level of elevation, tone, expressiveness, or diction. Although it's become a point of consideration for me because I'm not even entirely sure I can be understood between my overt use of expressive and intricate language.

I'm unsure of what exactly to shift the blame onto. I don't believe this is in essence the end-result of being an English major in university because I feel as if I've used this sort of language for the overwhelming majority of my adult life. It really is an eye-opener when you have to stop speaking so many times that you begin consciously considering word-choice.

Pompous and elevated pretension through superfluous vocabulary aside, it did increase my awareness of the variety of linguistic patterns I apply to my colloquial method of conversation. Which begged consideration as to the inherent nature of vocabulary versus clarity. In essence to inquire as to whether or not an agreeable compromise could be reached. In searching for a more enlightening solution, I began to examine the speech patterns of passers-by and my peers.

The first thing I noticed is that simplistic language does not immediately facilitate proof of unintelligent language. There was a marked subtlety and grace that carried itself wondrously with certain speakers, even when their vocabulary was compromised almost exclusively of mono-syllables or simple statements. I began to wonder if it was just the alienating properties of unnecessarily elaborate diction that established a communicative barrier. After a discussion with another English major, we decided that while admittedly more difficult, formal and intricate language itself was not as alienating as the tone was.

The end result of all of my self-propelled observation is that I could not observe language and come to a conclusive decision without interactive inquiry. So I thought of no better intellectual participants than our very own Escapists.

Discussion Prompt

So, does present company catch itself moderating its own language? (Through posts, or spoken, either will apply.) If so, is it difficult to consciously alter your method of speech? If not, is it because your peers are capable of following your diction regardless of elevation, or do you find your colloquial dialogues simple to understand regardless of previous education?
 

JC175

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I have no problem with sophisticated language, however, it is harder to interpret, especially when reading.

It's like saying "I have contracted Acute viral rhinopharyngitis" instead of "I've got a cold." Use it if you will, but I don't find it's really needed in a discussion like this.

In saying that though, please don't go to the other extreme. Words are words, not abbreviations.
 

peachy_keen

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I was thinking about this today, NC. On one hand, there's something very endearing about the conversational tone people take on forums, including this one, so I don't think that should be traded with an eloquent choice of words. However, beautifully written commentary, opinions or musings tend to catch my attention and respect much more than "lol whut is ur favorite kind of sheep"

Personally, I always find myself carefully choosing my words when I want to make a good impression or a solid argument. Doesn't everyone? maybe not >_>
 

Elurindel

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lol wtf u say?

Erm...I mean that whilst I enjoy showing off my extensive vocabulary, the company I usually keep usually doesn't understand me too well, so I tried to keep it simple for them. However, I do very much love the english language and the plethora of words in it.
 

Corven

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I've never been on a message board where I had to 'dumb-down' what I was trying to say, although I've had to do it in real conversations because unlike message boards where I have time to think of the proper way of responding to someone's post you have to reply quickly or lose your chance to speak so I keep what I have to say simple and easy to understand.
 

xitel

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Well, I don't normally find myself "dumbing down" my language, which is essentially what you're talking about, but that's because I've adapted my speech to more common levels. Then again, my main problem when speaking is that I don't think ahead, and since I think in what could barely be describe as coherent language, I have a problem with actually speaking in any sort of language that is understandable. In reality, my speech is very disjointed and jumps around on occasion. Since I'm normally saying two sentences at once, it'd be brain melting if I used my upper tier of vocabulary prowess. I mean, that's not to say that I can't use an expanded vocabulary when the situation calls for it, but it's extremely uncommon for me to do in regular, day-to-day speech.

Then there's the matter of matching your speech patterns to the mood of the conversation. If it's a friendly, light-hearted conversation, using an increased vocabulary that people have to pause and think about can ruin the spontaneity of it. At the same time, if it's a somber occasion people don't really want to think about the meaning of words, instead preferring to keep their thoughts on the matter at hand. However, if the mood calls for it, such as in an intellectual debate or a serious question, my usage of increased vocabulary levels tends to increase. Really, when I think about my word usage I pay attention to the overall mood of a situation.

So really, I don't ever have a problem with moderating my language. My problem is moderating what comes out of my mouth in terms of coherence. Trust me, when you hear someone saying two sentences at once, you'll know that moderating your vocabulary level is the least of your worries. It's why I find myself speaking in lists so often. As in "a)blah blah blah, b) more blah, c) blah diddy blah"
 

TelegraphCat

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it really depends. you can't expect everyone to understand harder words. you should try to control your words to match the people though.

i dont see a point in using big words just to use big words. do wat comes naturally to you. if you feel right to talk about whatever like its an essay than do it. if you dont than dont. theres not much more to it than that.
 
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Interesting question since, as a non-english speaking member of this particular community, I have to observe my language so as to make myself understood. In other, more homey, situations, it depends on the nature of the situation. In casual conversation it is usually enough to be informative, so eloquent speech pattern isn´t really necessary, or even justified. However, in more light-hearted banter I may be inclined to use fancy words and tricky expressions, just for the hell of it. Although, it´s usually what I say, not how I say it, that makes my compeers feel awkward. And there are of course situation when I´m writing. During these excruciating moments I´m very much aware of the language I use, almost to the point of neurosis.

So yes, I moderate my own language according to changing situations.
 

SimuLord

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One thing I love about the Escapist forums is that in terms of vocabulary and usage the largest bulk of us have more in common with Tycho Brahe (as in Jerry Holkins' alter ego, not the Dutch astronomer) than with Dr. Seuss or Barney (the purple dinosaur, not the misunderstood drunk genius from The Simpsons.)

I'm a firm believer in "never use a simple word where a complex one would do the job better, and if the complex word comes from a foreign language, well, das ist gut, ja?" I love to pepper my conversation with witticisms, bons mots, random acts of elucidation, and a little touch of pretense to hold contempt over the Great Unwashed. And if someone (my blonde stereotype idiot boss, for example) scratches her head, says "Huh?" and flips her hair, then I've accomplished my mission for the day of confusing a stupid person for fun.
 

Susano

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I am currently in second year in school (I think the american equivilant of this is eighth grade, if i'm wrong please rectify me) and I pride myself on having what I think is an extensive vocabulary, however, it's hard to tell when you're surrounded by people who don't know what a rhombus is. Sometimes though I find myself explaining things in my vocabulary to toe other guy in my class that would understand me and then having to re-explain it to everybody else.
 

Labyrinth

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Words are power, that's true enough. I use them in very specific ways. Connotation, subtext, manipulation. Such things work well enough when one uses them correctly, otherwise they tend to mess shit up. My choice of words is tailor-made for situations I find myself in. Makes for fun times.

Of course, complexity can be key to this. Extending my vocabulary has always been a fun past-time. I remember reading the dictionary once, which is not something I'd recommend to anyone who doesn't want headaches.
 

Susano

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SimuLord said:
I love to pepper my conversation with witticisms, bons mots, random acts of elucidation, and a little touch of pretense to hold contempt over the Great Unwashed. And if someone (my blonde stereotype idiot boss, for example) scratches her head, says "Huh?" and flips her hair, then I've accomplished my mission for the day of confusing a stupid person for fun.
I should have caught this in my first post, but this is something I adore as well, it's like my telling me why I should bother learning extensive language when nobody can understand me.
 

NewGeekPhilosopher

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It saddens me that I can win a Scrabble game by laying down the word "Misogyny" on a triple word score, and my opponents at my brother's Uni dorms have no idea what the word means. They had to look it up in the dictionary. Considering how they treat women up in Queensland I shouldn't have been surprised. I had to put down "Penis" on a double word score just to get them to trust me again. Sigh.

I also drop the word "eldritch" when appropriate. As in "Man, that teacher is eldritch man, the look in his eye is just creepy".
 

Lord Krunk

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Labyrinth said:
Words are power, that's true enough. I use them in very specific ways. Connotation, subtext, manipulation. Such things work well enough when one uses them correctly, otherwise they tend to mess shit up. My choice of words is tailor-made for situations I find myself in. Makes for fun times.
This is probably the mistake I generally make.

I proofread everything I write, say, or think. The result is a mass of fancy wording which, upon my own observations, seem to fly over the heads of many people, including some right here on The Escapist. I've tried to limit what I say in response to this, but only you guys can say whether or not it has worked. It's hard, you know, having an extensive vocabulary.

It also makes me suck at improvisation when I'm concentrating on it, but great at it when I'm not. Too bad the former always happens when it counts.

EDIT: Mind you, my reviews apparently have something wrong with the flow in their writing; something that, to this day, no one has exactly found a remedy for. It's getting annoying, getting the same comment every time I write one, but without anything that I can be told to fix. The whole point of writing my reviews is to learn more about writing, and I still don't know what I'm doing wrong.
 

Labyrinth

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Lord Krunk said:
This is probably the mistake I generally make.

I proofread everything I write, say, or think. The result is a mass of fancy wording which, upon my own observations, seem to fly over the heads of many people, including some right here on The Escapist. I've tried to limit what I say in response to this, but only you guys can say whether or not it has worked. It's hard, you know, having an extensive vocabulary.

It also makes me suck at improvisation when I'm concentrating on it, but great at it when I'm not. Too bad the former always happens when it counts.
I find it easy enough to do things off-the-cuff. Much of my internal editing process is on autopilot, which makes things doubly interesting. To see what happens when I just let it run, check the Vegan Halo thread.
 

Lord Krunk

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Labyrinth said:
Lord Krunk said:
This is probably the mistake I generally make.

I proofread everything I write, say, or think. The result is a mass of fancy wording which, upon my own observations, seem to fly over the heads of many people, including some right here on The Escapist. I've tried to limit what I say in response to this, but only you guys can say whether or not it has worked. It's hard, you know, having an extensive vocabulary.

It also makes me suck at improvisation when I'm concentrating on it, but great at it when I'm not. Too bad the former always happens when it counts.
I find it easy enough to do things off-the-cuff. Much of my internal editing process is on autopilot, which makes things doubly interesting. To see what happens when I just let it run, check the Vegan Halo thread.
I wish I was more like you.

By the way, can I have a link?
 

Labyrinth

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Lord Krunk said:
I wish I was more like you.

By the way, can I have a link?
Haha. Nah, you don't. Not really.

Enjoy. [http://www.escapistmagazine.com/forums/read/18.85645#1250686]
 

NewClassic_v1legacy

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I find an overwhelming majority of my writing and speaking maintains a pretty stable level of elevated diction. It only fluctuates to a noticeable degree when I'm doing more formal writing, or doing something more colloquial. The only time I find my language becoming a major problem is when I segue from talking to adults to younger children in rapid succession.

My vocabulary doesn't shift as quickly as my surroundings. So I'm often at a loss if I'm moving from one highly different situation to another, such as going from Advanced Composition class to my job. While talking to my upper-level bosses isn't a problem, the lower level workers and my immediate superiors are primarily computer science or engineers. Which in itself isn't a problem except that they are also Southern. Huge shift in grammatical quality and conversational tone.

As it just now occurs to me that I'm answering my own thread for the first time.
 

NewClassic_v1legacy

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Incredible Bullshitting Man said:
NewClassic said:
As it just now occurs to me that I'm answering my own thread for the first time.
Once in a while, it´s nice to talk to someone who really understands you, isn´t it.
Not particularly. I think that NewClassic prick is a little too pretentiously self-absorbed to provide any suitable discourse for these forums.