Misconceptions about PC gaming.

[Jumplion]

First off. Quite with the 'tards/gods' thing. It's old already.

Then why the hell do you "PC-tards" get to call the console gamers "Console-Tards" if we are both being idiots. It's unfair to be biased and call just the console gamers "Console-Tards" so I choose to call them both "tards" because that's what they/we are; idiots.

@WlknCntrdiction:
Best answer from any of the "PC-tards" I've seen on here, well done. I do admit, if i took the time to learn a bit more then I could supposedly build a good gaming rig, but unfortunately because i'm lazy and I don't care about the slight perks that PC gaming can give over consoles I won't.

I love electronics, and eventually I will have to work with PCs, but I still prefer consoles because they will always have a place in my heart. As some PC people have said "consoles dieafter a few years, PCs can stay with you for decades!" and that's precisely why my PS2 will stay in my heart unlike my PC, because it was good while it lasted and it had fond memories.

But I still stand by my "PC can be complicated sometimes" idea as even consoles can be complicated (when I first got my PS3, there were so many options that really didn't matter and my dad said "Jeez, you have to be a freakin' MIT engineer to get this thing working!" Oh irony.)

 

[WlknCntrdiction]

If I'm really honest I've grown tired of my consoles, they were great back in the day and I don't doubt that there are some good games coming out for them but as a whole consoles just don't hold my attention as much as PCs do now. Not to mention the fact that I bought C&C3 and it won't run on my laptop because it's a piece of shit so that has been the deciding factor(for me)bo build my own computer. Once it's up and running I can play C&C3 to my hearts content, amongst other great games, I've always wanted to try Crysis

 

[TheKbob]

I do not want to buy a $500 processor chip and find out that it wasn't the right model for me to use. And DON'T SAY "Well, you could easily buy blah blah blah blah under 300 blah blah blah" because this is what the average consumer would do. The average consumer is an American Fatass (stereotype, I know, but try to work with me here) who doesn't know alot about alot.

Well, I'll say it again. That right there just solidifies more and more our reasoning that you should learn,... don't use the mentality of just being like everyone else as some sort of excuse. To be honest, $500 on a CPU is quite ridiculous and even posting it as side comment is just another view into your lacking knowledge. If you cannot even figure out your PC specs to match to the requirements on, of all games, the Sims, then you really should take some time to familiarize yourself with a PC. All the time you spent ranting in this thread could have gone towards knowing that spending anything over $250 on CPU is completely a waste of money and you could run the Sims 2 on a $66 CPU (AMD 64 x2 5000+ ).

When I read this thread, I get feeling that 90% of you are running high-end PC:s. But I´m sure that is far from the truth. Most of you spend your whole PC life somewhere in mid range, never being able to experience games the way their were imagined to be displayed, spending hours overclocking, tweaking graphic setting, benchmarking, reading hardware reviews and doing research. It is too much work just to make your graphics more fluid, so that you can play games that look very clean and sterile.

I disagree with PC being cheaper alternative, since PC nerds lack ability to avoid constantly upgrading their rigs. And it is not a question about buying equipment every 2-3 years, they just cant resist upgrading at least once every 6 months. I have been down that road, it takes one to know one. Now if you account for all those costs (incl. hours spend maintaining pc) throughout PC:s life cycle, you end up spending more money while also spending less hours playing games.

Dually noted, but then again, I also just spent last night swapping in a new power supply, adding a new side fan, and going SLI with the 8800GT which has the same performance or better than the GTX 280, nVidia's latest power house. Only thing holding me back is my CPU now, which will probably get upgraded next year to a new Phenom once they get under $150 or so. You can choose to dump ALOT of money upfront on a PC, or just maintain it through the years with wise purchases. My spare power supply is being sold a friend at a discount so he can build a PC, as well.


Edit: PS; When the CPU fan is spinning a couple thousand RPM, don't stick your thumb in it. It hurts.

 

[Anniko]

Then why the hell do you "PC-tards" get to call the console gamers "Console-Tards" if we are both being idiots. It's unfair to be biased and call just the console gamers "Console-Tards" so I choose to call them both "tards" because that's what they/we are; idiots.

You're the only one calling anyone "PC-tards" or "Console-tards" in this entire thread.

 

[Kronos 9000]

Agreed (@ First comment/thread starter)

 

[Jumplion]

Then why the hell do you "PC-tards" get to call the console gamers "Console-Tards" if we are both being idiots. It's unfair to be biased and call just the console gamers "Console-Tards" so I choose to call them both "tards" because that's what they/we are; idiots.

You're the only one calling anyone "PC-tards" or "Console-tards" in this entire thread.

That doesn't mean I havn't seen it before. I prefer to be fair (which is why I also say MS/M$ and sometimes Sony/$ony) and if you don't like it, boo hoo so sad, deal with it. Just laugh a bit, jeez, some of you PC people are so uptight.

 

[Jumplion]

I do not want to buy a $500 processor chip and find out that it wasn't the right model for me to use. And DON'T SAY "Well, you could easily buy blah blah blah blah under 300 blah blah blah" because this is what the average consumer would do. The average consumer is an American Fatass (stereotype, I know, but try to work with me here) who doesn't know alot about alot.

Well, I'll say it again. That right there just solidifies more and more our reasoning that you should learn,... don't use the mentality of just being like everyone else as some sort of excuse. To be honest, $500 on a CPU is quite ridiculous and even posting it as side comment is just another view into your lacking knowledge. If you cannot even figure out your PC specs to match to the requirements on, of all games, the Sims, then you really should take some time to familiarize yourself with a PC. All the time you spent ranting in this thread could have gone towards knowing that spending anything over $250 on CPU is completely a waste of money and you could run the Sims 2 on a $66 CPU (AMD 64 x2 5000+ ).

Though to be fair, that was a couple of years ago. I've learned alot more since then but I STILL don't know my Computer specs >_>; I have to find out soon, it's getting ridiculous.

And i'm not trying to make the "people are stupid" a whole excuse but it seems I do look like i'm trying. But some people are that ignorant (me being atleast partially ignorant) so I could only imagine what would happen if someone told me to build a Gaming PC rig. At times like these I'm glad my dad's a electronic engineer (even MOAR irony!)

 

[TheKbob]

Simple way to look at specs:

Right Click My Computer, select properties. You will get a basic idea from that.

More Depth:

Click the Hardware Tab and Open Device Manager. This will show you your parts in nice little icon based tabs. Double Clicking on a component will bring up what it is and its drivers, which is important to note, as well. Better drivers can actually make a visual difference

Most Depth:

BIOS, save that for later


Easy! Once you figure out things like what mother board (mobo) you have, you can research that and learn what kind of upgrades are available... but we're probably getting ahead of ourselves. If you have a Dell or any other mass produced machine, I dont suggest upgrading those machines too much. Doing that is a waste of money unless it's nothing more than more RAM or maybe a beefier GFX card.

 

[Jumplion]

Simple way to look at specs:

Right Click My Computer, select properties. You will get a basic idea from that.

More Depth:

Click the Hardware Tab and Open Device Manager. This will show you your parts in nice little icon based tabs. Double Clicking on a component will bring up what it is and its drivers, which is important to note, as well. Better drivers can actually make a visual difference

Most Depth:

BIOS, save that for later


Easy! Once you figure out things like what mother board (mobo) you have, you can research that and learn what kind of upgrades are available... but we're probably getting ahead of ourselves. If you have a Dell or any other mass produced machine, I dont suggest upgrading those machines too much. Doing that is a waste of money unless it's nothing more than more RAM or maybe a beefier GFX card.

THANK. YOU. THEKBOB.


This is almost as embarassing as the time I had to rearange my "Cookies" and I had no idea where the hell the "toolbar" was ; Also a couple of years ago.

And yes I have a De-wait a minute, you kniving PC-er! You're trying to get me into PC gaming! Pretty sneaky there K-bob, pretty sneaky. Though it doesn't help that the computer isn't actually mine, but atleast I'll know what the computer can handle and what it can't.

2 thumbs up, +4 karma. Eventually, I will get my own laptop. Only a couple years from now, but I'll most likely be using it primarily for Porn and Studies ;P

 

[TheKbob]

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16834147750

Not a laptop, more notebook/desktop replacement, but BOY does it rock my face for a pre-built. BluRay, Gaming, Media Center Capabilities, portable, and more! Yum. I know someone getting one, most likely, so I can fill people in on it's abilities.

 

[Alex_P]

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16834147750

Not a laptop, more notebook/desktop replacement, but BOY does it rock my face for a pre-built. BluRay, Gaming, Media Center Capabilities, portable, and more! Yum. I know someone getting one, most likely, so I can fill people in on it's abilities.

So... it's like a "laptop" with a 20-inch screen and, as a consequence of it not having to be tiny, it has more-or-less desktop-grade components crammed in there?

Interesting.

Between these things and netbooks, the laptop market is looking pretty good.

(Is it weird that the first thing that comes to my head upon looking at the specs is "So, how do you de-CSS a combo Blu-ray / DVD drive?")

-- Alex

 

[TheKbob]

Lol, well he want something that is still portable but will kick ass and I told him this one has a Bluray drive and could be used as a media center with either the monitor or HDMI out to an HD TV and he really loved that idea. I have to imagine that a bluray drive in a PC can have its firmware upgraded due to the environment.

The thing is certainly epic.

 

[goodman528]

Another misconception that my friend just stated is that Console games are graphically more advanced than PC games, so they look better.

thoughts?

It depends on what PC you are talking about then doesn't it? For a PC (inc monitor) the same price as a PS3, ~£300, it's probably true.
However, for a PC (inc 1900x1200 monitor) the same price as a PS3 + 1080p HDTV, > £1000, then clearly the PC graphics are much better. But then again, PS3 would have a 32" screen, PC only has 24". So really it's not fair to make this sort of general statements, it's all a matter of personal preferrence and opinion.

I think the 4 points that separate PC and consoles are:
1) Console FPS don't use a mouse, and therefore are all totally crippled.
2) Good strategy games that requires some thought, like Civilization, Hearts of Iron, or Company of heroes... etc, just suits the PC interface better.
3) Mods. Let's remember, Counter Strike was actually a mod of Half Life. Any goodmods for Halo out there?
4) Plug and play. Generally you can't do this with new PC games, especially not multi-player.

Note though, I have a portable disc with some semi-illegal copies of cracked and hacked versions of very old PC games like Warcraft3, CC generals, etc, and that literally works "plug and play" in the IT rooms. For multi-player too (!) So the 4th point also depends on the games you're talking about.

 

[goodman528]

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16834147750

Not a laptop, more notebook/desktop replacement, but BOY does it rock my face for a pre-built. BluRay, Gaming, Media Center Capabilities, portable, and more! Yum. I know someone getting one, most likely, so I can fill people in on it's abilities.

Wow! $1550 ~= £800 ! I wish I lived in the US.

 

[Jumplion]

HP Pavilion HDX9494NR NoteBook Intel Core 2 Duo T8100(2.10GHz) 20.1" Wide SXGA

I have to say, that's one hell of a name XD

One last question before i'm over this, why do some of these PCs have these types of names? You know, with all the seemingly unneccisary numbers and stuff? Is it listing some of the components in the computer or is the name of the PC from something else?

 

[TheKbob]

HP Pavilion HDX9494NR NoteBook Intel Core 2 Duo T8100(2.10GHz) 20.1" Wide SXGA

I have to say, that's one hell of a name XD

One last question before i'm over this, why do some of these PCs have these types of names? You know, with all the seemingly unneccisary numbers and stuff? Is it listing some of the components in the computer or is the name of the PC from something else?

The HDX949NR is the actual Model Number. The Intel Core 2 Duo T8100 is so you know what the CPU (processor) is and the 20.1" Wide SXGA is the size and type of monitor. It's because CPU and monitor type and size can prob be different from model to mode, but I wouldn't know that from model # alone. The Specs list helps alot, though.

Wow! $1550 ~= £800 ! I wish I lived in the US.

Eh,... I just think in today's world every place has it's down side. You live in Britain, I assume? I would love to visit there. It sucks living in the country of "freedom" knowing that we are always crippling ourself with our govt. and making us look stupid thanks to the current management... plus, leading the world as the biggest "wasters" is pretty depressing,... all the fast food, reliance on 3rd world labor, etc.

But hey, at least our stuff is cheap and we do get the ability to complain about video games in our free time.


EDIT: Another good PC Article

http://www.slashgear.com/ea-to-sell-crysis-warhead-branded-pcs-3013163.php

Good Gaming PC... From EA? Im gonna keep my eye on that. $600, eh?

 

[Alex_P]

Eh,... I just think in today's world every place has it's down side. You live in Britain, I assume? I would love to visit there. It sucks living in the country of "freedom" knowing that we are always crippling ourself with our govt. and making us look stupid thanks to the current management... plus, leading the world as the biggest "wasters" is pretty depressing,... all the fast food, reliance on 3rd world labor, etc.

Britain isn't exactly doing so hot on the "freedom" front right now, either. So it's kind of a wash.

-- Alex

 

[TheKbob]

Britain isn't exactly doing so hot on the "freedom" front right now, either. So it's kind of a wash.

-- Alex

Do you think it's the open-ness of the internet and the information that could make us more depressed and ruins the "grass is greener" type situation when myself from US can easily chat with yourself from Britain or Aussies, or other people from other countries who know English and can converse with us?

Oh well, we can all rant about Video games together, at least!

 

[laikenf]

When I read this thread, I get feeling that 90% of you are running high-end PC:s. But I´m sure that is far from the truth. Most of you spend your whole PC life somewhere in mid range, never being able to experience games the way their were imagined to be displayed, spending hours overclocking, tweaking graphic setting, benchmarking, reading hardware reviews and doing research. It is too much work just to make your graphics more fluid, so that you can play games that look very clean and sterile.

I disagree with PC being cheaper alternative, since PC nerds lack ability to avoid constantly upgrading their rigs. And it is not a question about buying equipment every 2-3 years, they just cant resist upgrading at least once every 6 months. I have been down that road, it takes one to know one. Now if you account for all those costs (incl. hours spend maintaining pc) throughout PC:s life cycle, you end up spending more money while also spending less hours playing games.

That is EXACTLY why I quit PC gaming, I need not say more (I need peace of mind and body when I play). Thank you.

 

[TheKbob]

That is EXACTLY why I quit PC gaming, I need not say more (I need peace of mind and body when I play). Thank you.

It's a very true argument. But it's different from person to person. I like a middle ground,... looking forward to new parts but loving what I have. I wait for good deals, not just pounce. I waited for my 2nd 8800GT to be under $150 and I just now got it for $130 after rebate.

Some of us like to tinker and that's half the fun. I beat Crysis once then started tweaking it I do that with most of my games,... some don't need the fixes either, they just run and you are happy.