Miss USA Controversy

[internutt]

I seriously do not understand why people are getting worked up about this. A woman doesn't believe that marriage is for the same sexes. I do not see how this is even news worthy. She wasn't saying she hated gays or wanted them to all die in a fire. She just said she didn't believe they should be married.

Attacking her for her beliefs is silly people!

 

[CAPPINJACK]

Two words: Sour. Grapes.

 

[CAPPINJACK]

What is more worrying is that people actually care what a beauty pageant entry has to say about the world.

They are just there to look good.

By the way beauty pageants are the devil and should be eradicated like Smallpox.

This is the smartest thing anyone has said in the thread so far.

I seriously do not understand why people are getting worked up about this. A woman doesn't believe that marriage is for the same sexes. I do not see how this is even news worthy. She wasn't saying she hated gays or wanted them to all die in a fire. She just said she didn't believe they should be married.

Attacking her for her beliefs is silly people!

If I said I don't believe that black people and white people should be allowed to mix, then it's OK because it's my belief? Or that women shouldn't be allowed to work?

Some beliefs need attacking because they promote ignorance and intolerance. Apathy, even when it's disguised in the context of free speech is still apathy.

 

[TheEvilDuck]

I think she loves every second of the attention.

I mean, come on: if she'd have won the competition, no one would even care. But coming in second, that makes her a martyr for standing up for her opinions...which is how she was raised. Which itself makes no sense--how she was raised determines her opinions? She can't think for herself? Yeah--that's a real role-model right there!

Just like...certain recent additions to The Escapist membership, conservatives LOVE feeling like martyrs.

Just look at what she had to say:

I see the audience would've wanted me to be more politically correct..."I feel like I won," she said. "I feel like I'm the winner. I really do."

I bet she does. She got exactly what she wants: a soapbox.

In any case, when it comes to issues of sexual morality, she said: "I think that I believe that a marriage should be between a man and a woman"

But apparently showing her tits off to every person in America to win a competition is perfectly a-ok.

Exactly. Couldn't've said it better myself.

 

[MiracleOfSound]

What is more worrying is that people actually care what a beauty pageant entry has to say about the world.

They are just there to look good.

By the way beauty pageants are the devil and should be eradicated like Smallpox.

This is the smartest thing anyone has said in the thread so far.

Glad someone agrees, I detest beauty pageants and everything they stand for.

They are morally bankrupt displays of vanity and a celebration of some the worst aspects of human nature.

 

[mkg]

good reasons

I knew you'd show up here. It may not be a good reason to YOU, but for some of us it works just fine, kay? In my house growing up, we always ate meatloaf. I was raised on meatloaf. Now, I could probably not like meatloaf, if I really, really tried, but see, it turns out that I DO like meatloaf! And that is why I like meatloaf.

The difference is, you won't tell me that you believe that not liking meatloaf is wrong. You'll just say that it's a difference of taste and that you'll always like meatloaf.

She was basically saying that not only does she like meatloaf, but that everyone should like meatloaf: they didn't ask her if *she* wanted to be in a gay marriage, they asked her what she thinks of gay marriage in general.

If you think this broad should have lied to win this bllshit contest then you believe in selling yourself out just to get ahead. Also, her belief isn't "outdated" or "prejudice", there is no right or wrong in this debate, there's resons that are good and bad on both sides of the debate. Just leave eachother alone and we'll all be fine.

There are no good reasons on the "marriage is between a man and a woman" side of the debate. That's why she had to say: "I think...in my family...that's how I was raised" instead of supplying, you know, good reasons.

The religious reasons are valid, if not what you want them to be,

Religious reasons are not valid in a country where there is a separation of church and state. She said: "We live in a land where you can choose same-sex marriage or opposite. And you know what, I think in my country, in my family, I think that I believe that a marriage should be between a man and a woman,"

She said 'in my country' not just 'in my family' or 'in my religion'.

If marriage is a religious ceremony that grants to you benefits imbued by the state, then yes, the relgious aspects of the argument are valid. I wouldn't take the whole church and state sentiment too seriously in a country where God is referenced in our constitution, court proceedings, pledge of allegiance, etc.,etc.

 

[mkg]

If you think this broad should have lied to win this bllshit contest then you believe in selling yourself out just to get ahead. Also, her belief isn't "outdated" or "prejudice", there is no right or wrong in this debate, there's resons that are good and bad on both sides of the debate. Just leave eachother alone and we'll all be fine.

There are no good reasons on the "marriage is between a man and a woman" side of the debate. That's why she had to say: "I think...in my family...that's how I was raised" instead of supplying, you know, good reasons.

The religious reasons are valid, if not what you want them to be, (Soddom and Gammora anybody? Spelling?), and the pro-gay marriage side of it is valid, too. Why can't gay people commit to eachother like straight people can? Afterall, God makes us the way he intends us to be right? There's a valid point to each side of the debate, if you don't want to listen to the other side then don't, but don't presume you know whts best for someone else when they're not affecting anybody else/

God called Lot the only just man in Sodom. Remember that Lot offered his daughters up to be gang raped to death when the townspeople wanted to 'know' the angels.


Just? Yeah, God has an odd opinion on what's classified as just.

I guess he does, you're here and alive, despite questioning him, so that seems to be working out pretty good for everyone.

 

[Cliff_m85]

If you think this broad should have lied to win this bllshit contest then you believe in selling yourself out just to get ahead. Also, her belief isn't "outdated" or "prejudice", there is no right or wrong in this debate, there's resons that are good and bad on both sides of the debate. Just leave eachother alone and we'll all be fine.

There are no good reasons on the "marriage is between a man and a woman" side of the debate. That's why she had to say: "I think...in my family...that's how I was raised" instead of supplying, you know, good reasons.

The religious reasons are valid, if not what you want them to be, (Soddom and Gammora anybody? Spelling?), and the pro-gay marriage side of it is valid, too. Why can't gay people commit to eachother like straight people can? Afterall, God makes us the way he intends us to be right? There's a valid point to each side of the debate, if you don't want to listen to the other side then don't, but don't presume you know whts best for someone else when they're not affecting anybody else/

God called Lot the only just man in Sodom. Remember that Lot offered his daughters up to be gang raped to death when the townspeople wanted to 'know' the angels.


Just? Yeah, God has an odd opinion on what's classified as just.

I guess he does, you're here and alive, despite questioning him, so that seems to be working out pretty good for everyone.

Why do I constantly have to explain to Christians where babies come from? I'm here because sperm hit an egg and fertilized it. It's not 'magical', it's basic human biology.

 

[mkg]

If you think this broad should have lied to win this bllshit contest then you believe in selling yourself out just to get ahead. Also, her belief isn't "outdated" or "prejudice", there is no right or wrong in this debate, there's resons that are good and bad on both sides of the debate. Just leave eachother alone and we'll all be fine.

There are no good reasons on the "marriage is between a man and a woman" side of the debate. That's why she had to say: "I think...in my family...that's how I was raised" instead of supplying, you know, good reasons.

The religious reasons are valid, if not what you want them to be, (Soddom and Gammora anybody? Spelling?), and the pro-gay marriage side of it is valid, too. Why can't gay people commit to eachother like straight people can? Afterall, God makes us the way he intends us to be right? There's a valid point to each side of the debate, if you don't want to listen to the other side then don't, but don't presume you know whts best for someone else when they're not affecting anybody else/

God called Lot the only just man in Sodom. Remember that Lot offered his daughters up to be gang raped to death when the townspeople wanted to 'know' the angels.


Just? Yeah, God has an odd opinion on what's classified as just.

I guess he does, you're here and alive, despite questioning him, so that seems to be working out pretty good for everyone.

Why do I constantly have to explain to Christians where babies come from? I'm here because sperm hit an egg and fertilized it. It's not 'magical', it's basic human biology.

Cute, you passed biology class this semester. But whether you believe in intelligent design or not, you'll find that you don't have asmartass answer for everything when faced with your own mortality.

 

[Sphinx86]

If I said I don't believe that black people and white people should be allowed to mix, then it's OK because it's my belief? Or that women shouldn't be allowed to work?

Some beliefs need attacking because they promote ignorance and intolerance. Apathy, even when it's disguised in the context of free speech is still apathy.

If you believed that blacks and whites shouldn't mix (I'm assuming here that your talking about mating and marriage), and lived your life by those beliefs fine, as long as your not forcing anyone else around to your opinion. Look at Buddhists they don't eat meat because they believe all life is sacred, so to them anyone that eats meat is ignorant but they still understand that people have their beliefs and don't try to force them on other people.

 

[Cliff_m85]

If you think this broad should have lied to win this bllshit contest then you believe in selling yourself out just to get ahead. Also, her belief isn't "outdated" or "prejudice", there is no right or wrong in this debate, there's resons that are good and bad on both sides of the debate. Just leave eachother alone and we'll all be fine.

There are no good reasons on the "marriage is between a man and a woman" side of the debate. That's why she had to say: "I think...in my family...that's how I was raised" instead of supplying, you know, good reasons.

The religious reasons are valid, if not what you want them to be, (Soddom and Gammora anybody? Spelling?), and the pro-gay marriage side of it is valid, too. Why can't gay people commit to eachother like straight people can? Afterall, God makes us the way he intends us to be right? There's a valid point to each side of the debate, if you don't want to listen to the other side then don't, but don't presume you know whts best for someone else when they're not affecting anybody else/

God called Lot the only just man in Sodom. Remember that Lot offered his daughters up to be gang raped to death when the townspeople wanted to 'know' the angels.


Just? Yeah, God has an odd opinion on what's classified as just.

I guess he does, you're here and alive, despite questioning him, so that seems to be working out pretty good for everyone.

Why do I constantly have to explain to Christians where babies come from? I'm here because sperm hit an egg and fertilized it. It's not 'magical', it's basic human biology.

Cute, you passed biology class this semester. But whether you believe in intelligent design or not, you'll find that you don't have asmartass answer for everything when faced with your own mortality.

Oh my, you are right! Perhaps I should just answer every question I don't know with "Goddidit!" and lolz at everyone who is rational. You know, like when they tell me that the world is spherical and that the sun doesn't revolve around us or that we didn't come from dirt that God blew into. Lolz, those darn rationalists with their 'facts' and 'evidence' and 'testable hypothesis'!

 

[mkg]

If you think this broad should have lied to win this bllshit contest then you believe in selling yourself out just to get ahead. Also, her belief isn't "outdated" or "prejudice", there is no right or wrong in this debate, there's resons that are good and bad on both sides of the debate. Just leave eachother alone and we'll all be fine.

There are no good reasons on the "marriage is between a man and a woman" side of the debate. That's why she had to say: "I think...in my family...that's how I was raised" instead of supplying, you know, good reasons.

The religious reasons are valid, if not what you want them to be, (Soddom and Gammora anybody? Spelling?), and the pro-gay marriage side of it is valid, too. Why can't gay people commit to eachother like straight people can? Afterall, God makes us the way he intends us to be right? There's a valid point to each side of the debate, if you don't want to listen to the other side then don't, but don't presume you know whts best for someone else when they're not affecting anybody else/

God called Lot the only just man in Sodom. Remember that Lot offered his daughters up to be gang raped to death when the townspeople wanted to 'know' the angels.


Just? Yeah, God has an odd opinion on what's classified as just.

I guess he does, you're here and alive, despite questioning him, so that seems to be working out pretty good for everyone.

Why do I constantly have to explain to Christians where babies come from? I'm here because sperm hit an egg and fertilized it. It's not 'magical', it's basic human biology.

Cute, you passed biology class this semester. But whether you believe in intelligent design or not, you'll find that you don't have asmartass answer for everything when faced with your own mortality.

Oh my, you are right! Perhaps I should just answer every question I don't know with "Goddidit!" and lolz at everyone who is rational. You know, like when they tell me that the world is spherical and that the sun doesn't revolve around us or that we didn't come from dirt that God blew into. Lolz, those darn rationalists with their 'facts' and 'evidence' and 'testable hypothesis'!

Couldn't hurt, glad you've come around.

 

[olicon]

If she can't get the question wrong, why did they ask it as part of a competition? That's like saying "oh--all those other apparatus count for determining the gymnastics champion, but ahh, just do some floor exercises that won't count towards your score'.

Because the Q&A part is a frikkin sham. We all know they are there because of their pretty faces, not because they are supposed to be smart. Besides, when you phrase a question with "What do you think...", there really is no wrong answer. Maybe the question should have been a bit more explicit, like "What is the politically correct view on..."

Personally, I give the girl an applaud for having the balls to state her honest opinion.

That doesn't follow: what if my religion believes that marriage can be between either the opposite sex or the same sex? Why do you assume all religions believe that marriage is only between a man and a woman?

Because all established religion are that way. Maybe some pagan religion doesn't work that way, but I don't think most people count that as a religion. You can go ahead and prove me wrong, but I won't fret over small detail like that. My point is that the incident takes place in America, where weddings take place in churches. It IS intrinsically a religious thing, and the religious context of the place dictates that it be between a man and a woman.

What is more worrying is that people actually care what a beauty pageant entry has to say about the world.

They are just there to look good.

By the way beauty pageants are the devil and should be eradicated like Smallpox.

Aww, you're only saying that because you've never known one (or two) personally. Seriously though, it's kinda freaky..I actually know 2 pageant winners from my country (Thailand).

Seriously though, don't know about the US, but I know Australia is so damn starved of gossips that they will run a story over and over, and over, and over. It's horrible.

 

[Sphinx86]

The closest I can understand is your view is that everything I say is wrong.

I don't think you're capable of understanding the views of others you disagree with more deeply than simply considering them wrong for the worst possible reason you can imagine.

Just because it's not clear and succinct to you, that doesn't mean that it is the case in objective reality. It's a problem with your powers of comprehension, not my powers of expression.

This is just the final proof to me that you actually have no interest in a normal reasonable argument, wherein you would attempt to state your view more clearly for my understanding, thus your just trolling and I'm wasting my time. Just go away and fight everybody else your annoying, I've had enough.