Modding single player Mass Effect 3 bans you from Origin

[SajuukKhar]

How is it an "ad hominem"? Are we even engaging in argument right now? Anytime I try to start one with you for "old time sakes" you high tail your ass faster than Usain Bolt.

Do you deny being a fangirl? I thought you fully accepted such title. Hell you wear it proudly like some sort of religious fanatic.

An ad hominem (Latin for "to the man" or "to the person"), short for argumentum ad hominem, is an attempt to negate the truth of a claim by pointing out a negative characteristic or belief of the person supporting it. Ad hominem reasoning is normally described as a logical fallacy.

You attempt to negate the things I say by claiming that my defense for Bioware make me a fanboy, not only in this thread but in others.

Secondly I don't see how I "high tail" anywhere, I almost always respond to you, if solely for the laughs you generate.

Thirdly I never accepted being a fanboy, I don't particularly like Bioware's games, I think NWN - Me3 are kinda shitty and un-fun games. I just don't like people being all "OMG BIOWARE SHOULD CHANGE THE ENDING BECAUSE I SAID SO" about it. I would do it for any other company.

Fourthly The only person I see wearing anything religiously or fanatically is you with your badge of hatred for ME3
http://www.escapistmagazine.com/forums/read/9.358917-Mass-Effect-3-Went-Too-Far-Now?page=13
Looking at that thread of yours and how everyone has demolished your argument time and time again and yet you persist to treat your opinions facts in a very vain and transparent attempt to continue trolling, the only fanaticism I see is yours.

We get it Zeel Me3 murdered your father and your mother, and beat you as a child, get over it.

You have literally become the joke of the forums Zeel.

 

[applesandoranges]

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[SajuukKhar]

So why should the consumer be passive about DRMs and restrictive EULAs? Clearly, companies like EA have no problem with being a bit underhanded in order to protect their own interests, comsumers should do the same. DRMs are very easily broken and EULAs are largely unenforceable. Why fault someone for circumventing what is an annoying aspect of a product? Does EA really suffer any damages if I decide that I do not want Origin on my harddrive but still wish to purchase and play ME3? I don't think so.

I never said people should be passive about DRM and EULAs only that they should think about the reasons behind them and not have a "I CAN DO WHATEVER I WANT" attitude because that only makes the problem worse.

As for you someone should be faulted, its because the product isn't yours, it isn't your right to determine what is on the product or not. If you don't like it, don't buy it, pirating it and cracking it only gives the companies what they want, an excuse to impose STRICTER DRM on people.

I agree with you to some extent about Bioware, but EA and Activision/Blizzard own quite a large number of titles that do have active modding communities.

Additonally, if we assume that all future titles owned by EA will require an Origin account and that any modding detected by Origin will result in the banning of said account, a precedent will be set whereby modding has been permanently eliminated from a large portion of the market. The active prevention of any possibile modding is cause for concern, regardless of how prevalent any existing modding communities are.

Except games like The Sims 3, which is on origins, have shown that modding IS allowed on Origin games.

Being on origin =/= exclude the possibility for modding.

 

[Yellowbeard]

woah woah woah. could you perhaps point me in the direction of these me2 mods? I definitely would like a piece of that action.

Gladly. Here are the instructions I used:

http://social.bioware.com/forum/1/topic/106/index/858631

I didn't buy an SSD to have 30 second loading animations play over a 1/2 second load time.

whats your issue with cod4? that was the last good fps released.

Incredibly dull level design, mind-numbingly repetitive gameplay (point'n'click 5 times a second), endless identical enemies, no characters (facial hair doesn't count), retarded invincible allies, unengaging story (not that I was expecting anything), etc.

A while after that terrible sniper/stealth mission where I was literally told where to move every step of the way I was so bored that I gave up entirely.

 

[Muspelheim]

Well, another reason on the big, fat pile why I'm not getting Origin until the day they make me at gunpoint, then.

 

[SajuukKhar]

You know, I don't get this. What do they care what some one does to their game? They've already bought it. Changing some textures to be higher def isn't hurting anyone. At all. It's the same reason I don't get why consoles companies get upset when people mod them. Why? It's their product. You can't stop them from going out and running over it with a truck, and you can't stop them from opening it up and putting Linux on it. It's not your console anymore, it's theirs. It's as ridiculous to me as Dell telling me I can't open up my computer and put in a new graphics card. Or Nissan telling me I can't install a new set of brake pads. Why not? It's my game/console/computer/car.

And honestly, why on earth do companies even care?

A whole slew of reasons including keeping investors/stockholders into believing the products that the company they own a part of are being protected, even if it is merely an attempt.

 

[SajuukKhar]

Yes because stating multiple times that the entire EULA system is broken, that mods should be allowed, that Origin does suck etc etc. is face first in the corporations asses?

I love how you selectively ignore half of what people actually type in order to push your warped sense of people viewpoints.
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O' Mighty Sarah. comest down from thy high horse.

Also, destroying my arguments? Please. That pathetic bunch couldn't snap a wooden stick.

The irony of those two sentences is exactly why people treat you like the biggest joke on the forums.

You are so stuck-up I am surprised you can see the keyboard to know what you are typing.

 

[Moromillas]

I think they have they have the right to do that. Tampering with their game is a betrayal of trust... Unless they actively encourage it to the point of releasing a mod pack like Valve or Skyrim.

You modified your TV by rotating it on its stand. Therefore, you are banned from watching this TV.

 

[SajuukKhar]

You modified your TV by rotating it on its stand. Therefore, you are banned from watching this TV.

Actually it would be like, you modified your Tv's Cable line/Satellite dish to pick up channels in better quality then what you payed for when a contract you signed specifically said you wouldn't.

 

[TotalerKrieger]

I never said people should be passive about DRM and EULAs only that they should think about the reasons behind them and not have a "I CAN DO WHATEVER I WANT" attitude because that only makes the problem worse.

As for you someone should be faulted, its because the product isn't yours, it isn't your right to determine what is on the product or not. If you don't like it don't buy it. Pirating it and cracking it only gives the companies what they want, an excuse to impose STRICTER DRM on people.

Legally, I do not own the product as an IP, but I do own a physical copy. EA, nor anyone else for that matter, has the means to track what I do with the content on that disc, therefore they have no right to make any judgements. They have no proof and never will. If they resort to stricter DRM, then it is hardly my fault as the basis of their decision is merely an opinion or due to some other factor(like piracy something which can be objectively tracked to some extent). If I disregard a particular aspect of a product, who is going to know? EA got their money, so I have no moral issues, while the simple practical realities make any legal issues irrelevant. When EA becomes an Orwellian media giant, then I will worry about whether I broke the EULA.

Except games like The Sims 3, which is on origins, have shown that modding IS allowed on Origin games.

Being on origin =/= exclude the possibility for modding.

The Sims 3 was released well before Origin was launched. It would cause quite a stir to retroactively take away established mods. Would I be surprised if the Sims 4 did not allow modding? Nope. It would be in EAs interest to do so, as I imagine the mods cut into their micro-transaction revenue.

 

[SajuukKhar]

Legally, I do not own the product as an IP, but I do own a physical copy. EA, nor anyone else for that matter, has the means to track what I do with the content on that disc, therefore they have no right to make any judgements. They have no proof and never will. If they resort to stricter DRM, then it is hardly my fault as the basis of their descision is merely an opinion or due to some other factor(like piracy something which can be objectively tracked to some extent). If I disregard a particular aspect of a product, who is going to know? EA got their money, so I have no moral issues. Additionally, the simple practical realities make any legal issues irrelevant. When EA becomes an Orwellian media giant, then I will worry about whether I broke the EULA.

Legally, as it is now, though it is shit, you do NOT own the disk, you own a license, the disk is a rental that the game company can legally take for any breach of the EULA. The disk and the data on it are not yours.

The rest of your argument that they don't have the right to track to do what you do with the disk, is wrong because of the above. The disk is theirs, and they have a legal right to make sure what is thier property is used only in the ways they specified.

 

[ScaryAlmond]

Considering that EA wanted mine craft to make it more accessible for mods they are a pretty stupid company.
Everyone hates them that's why their in semi final for worst company (hoping they win but realistically probably BOA)
The'll eventually add a steam workshop kind of thing but that is just ridiculous.
They are just begging people to pirate because the only way to have real fun in the game will now cost you everything on your account.
I loath EA i don't really think anyone properly supports
I bought the game so why the hell can't I enjoy mods.
Jesus bans multi player mods fine but single player is mine.

 

[TotalerKrieger]

Legally, as it is now, though it is shit, you do NOT own the disk, you own a license, the disk is a rental that the game company can legally take for any breach of the EULA.

The rest of your argument that they don't have the right to track to do what you do with the disk, is wrong because of the above. the disk is thiers, and they have a legal right to make sure what is thier property is used only in the ways they specified.

Ok, so I own a license which grants me access to a rental disc containing a copy of the IP. I am permitted to privately keep this rental disc in my possession and the IP owner has no knowlegde of the where the disc is or how it is being used. This doesn't change anything related to my argument.

I never said that they don't have the right, I said they don't have the means. The EULA isn't enforceable and those who own the IP have no clue as to whether I am in violation or not anyways. If I crack the disk, why am I at fault? Outside of an unprovable legal violation, I see no issue. The comapany has no knowledge of this, and therefore cannot justifiably use my actions as an excuse to impose further restrictions.

 

[Chunga the Great]

Yet ANOTHER reason to avoid it like the plague.

It seems like they are deliberately trying to make me not get this game.

 

[BiscuitTrouser]

If you sign an agreement saying "I WILL NOT MOD" You cant mod in the eyes of the law and if you get arrested its your own damn fault. Sure its stupid. But you know whos more stupid for not reading what they agree to? You. If you dont like this system dont buy the game. Especially dont buy the game if you want to mod and mod anyway, not because the modding is "wrong" but because you PAID THEM ANYWAY. Instead DONT buy the game and demand fairer EULAS. You HAVE to vote with your wallet! Its a serious flaw in capitolism today that we dont punish those who sell an inferior product. The games industry needs more serious competition so that companies dont have a manopoly in certain genres and playstyles, this way we can easily vote with money as to how companies should behave. I love ME. I wont be getting mass effect 3. Its hard. But you gotta show that if a product sucks YOU DONT GET IT.

 

[SajuukKhar]

Ok, so I own a license which grants me access to a rental disc containing a copy of the IP. I am permitted to privately keep this rental disc in my possession and the IP owner has no knowlegde of the where the disc is or how it is being used. This doesn't change anything related to my argument.

I never said that they don't have the right, I said they don't have the means. The EULA isn't enforceable and those who own the IP have no clue as to whether I am in violation or not anyways. If I crack the disk, why am I at fault? Outside of an unprovable legal violation, I see no issue. The comapany has no knowledge of this, and therefore cannot justifiably use my actions as an excuse to impose further restrictions.

Well EULAs are enforceable, at least according to several courts.

You are at fault for the same reason even if you don't get caught stealing something said act is still illegal.

The company cannot use your actions, assuming you weren't on origin, as a means to impose future restrictions. However they CAN use the fact that they know people in general do bypass things to justify future restrictions.

 

[SilentVirus]

It's their product. And they are well within their rights to revoke any license that you purchased. It's what you signed on and agreed to when you pressed "I have read and agreed to the Terms of Service". Do I agree with it? No. Do I think they should have control over SP content/mods/cheats/etc? No. But that doesn't change the fact that can do it. If you really want to mod/hack/whatever, just download a crack for the game and play modded SP all you want. And when you want to go back to Multiplayer and stuff, just uninstall the game and reinstall it. Good as new.

 

[Braedan]

I purchased the game, so it belongs to ME. I wasn't given the option of reading the EULA before purchase, and I sure as hell can't return the fucking game.

Off Topic: Seriously Escapist? Are you seriously making me do fucking research about whatever the fuck Spy Optic is? really? Captcha is fine. MAKING ME RESEARCH YOUR SPONSORS TO MAKE POSTS IS BULLSHIT.