Modding single player Mass Effect 3 bans you from Origin

[TitanAtlas]

"YOU'LL GET THE GAME BY OUR RULES, YOU WILL EXPERIENCE THE ENDINGS WE GIVE YOU AND YOU WILL PLAY EVERYTHING BY OUR RULES AND WITH THE THIGNS WE GIVE YOU!!!"

Love
-EA

 

[KingsGambit_v1legacy]

I think they have they have the right to do that. Tampering with their game is a betrayal of trust...

WTF? The whole benefit of PC gaming is that we have full access to our file system. Unlike the "locked down" consoles, we can alter resolutions, textures and what have you. It's been going on since the beginning and will never change. It's our game to play with and tweak how we like.

Multiplayer is a different story. Anything that affects another player's experience better or worse I think is absolutely inappropriate. Single player however, to be banned from origin....?? Wouldn't that imply that the player would then no longer be able to play ME3 thereafter? Or would they be unable to ever download it, or other origin games, ever again?

 

[veloper]

So you cannot even mod or fanpatch games you got from EA/Origin, or risk losing everthing you ever bought on their store?

A good thing to know. Better stick with Steam, GOG, direct2drive, gamer's gate, etc. Anything that isn't Origin.

 

[Flames66]

The angry mob has already said everything I was thinking. I will just conclude with I will not be using Origin or any other system controlled by EA. Also to everyone who does I say take EAs advice and "Challenge Everything!"

It's the Starcraft singleplayer controversy all over again. When will people stop popping a vein every time this happens?

This is the kind of shit that spawns the "entitlement" arguments that then get mis-used in other conversations. You're dealt a hand, you play your cards - you gambled, you lost, you got banned. Such a goddamn first-world problem it's just upsetting.

Grab a mirror, folks, and take a long hard look at the person that caused your ban if you received one.

This post represents everything that is wrong with society. This is not acceptable and yet there are people who actively support it. It reminds me of people who say the police have the right to knock your door down on the mere suspicion that you have a cannabis plant in your window box.

 

[KingsGambit_v1legacy]

You can mod things in TF2 that work in multiplayer without being banned, though that's only really graphics. F.ex one can change the engineers wrench into a hammer, or the spy's dagger into something else, a wood texture with a different one, and so on. Whether those changes will last thru a patch I have no idea, but VAC I believe checks client/server data for tampering, rather than GFX files. And the worst thing that will happen if someone does cheat I believe is a server ban. Obviously if it happens enough, a player will run out of servers quickly, but there's no outright ban of the game entirely, LET ALONE their entire game library.

I've modded my ME3 coalesced.bin file loads on my 2nd playthru. 1st one, vanilla. 2nd playthru I've unlocked all armours, casual appearances, disabled fuel usage on galaxy map, disabled reapers on galaxy map and made scanning much faster, I've fixed the consolised FOV which is lazy game design and shouldn't need fixing. I've basically unlocked all content that would otherwise be available over the course of a game from the start and taken out the annoying bits. That's my prerogative to edit it. I'm not doing anything illegal, affecting other players or infringing on copyright. Ban me then, I dare you.

 

[Kathinka]

the real reason behind this is obviously that they don't want fans to make new content like cool new guns, missions and clothing. because then the stuff that they created in 10 minutes and try to pimp out to the end users as DLC wouldn't sell as well anymore.

 

[RhombusHatesYou]

And the worst thing that will happen if someone does cheat I believe is a server ban. Obviously if it happens enough, a player will run out of servers quickly, but there's no outright ban of the game entirely, LET ALONE their entire game library.

That's the thing, a VAC ban can, at worst, get you punted from a game's official servers for good and a forum ban can get you permanently punted from Steam's forums... where on Origin similar things would see your entire service terminated. It would seem that Valve requires a higher level of 'offence' before they start taking all the toys away.

The funny thing is EA were promising to 'fix' forum bans becoming termination of services even before Origin launched. That's how long this shitfuckery has been going on.

 

[barbzilla]

I think they have they have the right to do that. Tampering with their game is a betrayal of trust...

WTF? The whole benefit of PC gaming is that we have full access to our file system. Unlike the "locked down" consoles, we can alter resolutions, textures and what have you. It's been going on since the beginning and will never change. It's our game to play with and tweak how we like.

Multiplayer is a different story. Anything that affects another player's experience better or worse I think is absolutely inappropriate. Single player however, to be banned from origin....?? Wouldn't that imply that the player would then no longer be able to play ME3 thereafter? Or would they be unable to ever download it, or other origin games, ever again?

Correct, you would be unable to use your Origin account. Including all of the content you previously paid for unrelated to ME3 as well. So your BF3, BFBC2, Need for Speed, The Old Republic online, ect are all on your Origin account (because EA forces you to register on their system) and you get banned for modding the skins in the single player game, you are now unable to use all of said content. You must now make a brand new account and re-purchase all above materials previously purchased. And they wonder why people choose to do things through other online sources.

 

[Woodsey]

I think they have they have the right to do that. Tampering with their game is a betrayal of trust...

What trust? You can do what you want to your own copy. Its not the intended experience, but you've paid your way so it doesn't matter. Presumably you feel that they can pursue legal action if you decide to stick your dick through the disc hole instead of actually playing the game, because they were "trusting you" to not get funky with it.

This is just petty attempts at control for no logical reason. It also begs the rather worrying question of what they consider a mod - are we going to start being banned from all our games on Origin (all one of them) for altering some textures?

 

[Karathos]

It's the Starcraft singleplayer controversy all over again. When will people stop popping a vein every time this happens?

This is the kind of shit that spawns the "entitlement" arguments that then get mis-used in other conversations. You're dealt a hand, you play your cards - you gambled, you lost, you got banned. Such a goddamn first-world problem it's just upsetting.

Grab a mirror, folks, and take a long hard look at the person that caused your ban if you received one.

This post represents everything that is wrong with society. This is not acceptable and yet there are people who actively support it. It reminds me of people who say the police have the right to knock your door down on the mere suspicion that you have a cannabis plant in your window box.

So let me get this straight.

Buying a videogame from a company - using their online service together with it - misusing the service - getting banned FROM AN ONLINE GAME PLATFORM.

Having law enforcement come into your house, into the place you live in every single day - They do so with no proof of anything, only suspicion.

Yeah, I can see how those two things are totally the same.

I'm not quite sure if you're trolling or just unbelieveably ignorant.

 

[Flames66]

It's the Starcraft singleplayer controversy all over again. When will people stop popping a vein every time this happens?

This is the kind of shit that spawns the "entitlement" arguments that then get mis-used in other conversations. You're dealt a hand, you play your cards - you gambled, you lost, you got banned. Such a goddamn first-world problem it's just upsetting.

Grab a mirror, folks, and take a long hard look at the person that caused your ban if you received one.

This post represents everything that is wrong with society. This is not acceptable and yet there are people who actively support it. It reminds me of people who say the police have the right to knock your door down on the mere suspicion that you have a cannabis plant in your window box.

So let me get this straight.

Buying a videogame from a company - using their online service together with it - misusing the service - getting banned FROM AN ONLINE GAME PLATFORM.

Having law enforcement come into your house, into the place you live in every single day - They do so with no proof of anything, only suspicion.

Yeah, I can see how those two things are totally the same.

I'm not quite sure if you're trolling or just unbelieveably ignorant.

I did not claim they are the same, i said one reminds me of the other. I agree they are not the same and one severity massively outweighs the other. My point is that it is the same principal. Modifying something in your own home that does not affect anyone else should be encouraged not punished.

 

[Meight08]

You have every right to modify any and all files you download. Being banned for modding Coalesced.bin is ludicrous. Especially when you consider that most do so to tweak performance, such as changing the FoV.

Not unless the EULA says you can, or the developers say that you can regardless of the EULA.

I didn't buy the game on Origin (360 version here) but unless they made you sign a EULA BEFORE you purchased the product they have no right to do this, but then again there is some shady legal stuff behind Origin anyway. Its best to avoid it all together if you want to buy video games as actual products instead of renting them for an undisclosed amount of time.

THEN MAKE A FUCKING COMPLAINT TO THE FEDERAL TRADE COMMISSION INSTEAD OF WHINING!
sorry it just pisses me of when people complaint about stuff the "evil corporation" does without actually looking up your rights and see if its legal.

 

[Fappy]

You have every right to modify any and all files you download. Being banned for modding Coalesced.bin is ludicrous. Especially when you consider that most do so to tweak performance, such as changing the FoV.

Not unless the EULA says you can, or the developers say that you can regardless of the EULA.

I didn't buy the game on Origin (360 version here) but unless they made you sign a EULA BEFORE you purchased the product they have no right to do this, but then again there is some shady legal stuff behind Origin anyway. Its best to avoid it all together if you want to buy video games as actual products instead of renting them for an undisclosed amount of time.

THEN MAKE A FUCKING COMPLAINT TO THE FEDERAL TRADE COMMISSION INSTEAD OF WHINING!
sorry it just pisses me of when people complaint about stuff the "evil corporation" does without actually looking up your rights and see if its legal.

It would be weird for me to file a complaint about something I don't actually own wouldn't it? I don't have the PC version of ME3 or Origin.

 

[NiPah]

...snip...

Fan praise should cancel out laws?

k

I wonder how you feel about the ME3 ending... /sarcasm

EDIT: My whole mentality came to being after my so called "world" was burned to the ground in WWI. Thanks for rubbing that in my face. I have a habit of forgetting all the years during and after WWI. I was so young then..... lol what?

I view the laws against modding in the same light as discussing the Super Bowl with a group of friends at work or you know, using an avatar of a copy righted film without the express written consent of its copy right holder. It's not black and white, yes people who make a mod of a game and sell it on the open market w/o consent are wrong, no people who make a mod that makes textures look better or clouds move and then make those mods available for free are not wrong in my opinion. Fan praise? I would believe the same thing even if fans didn't like said mod, it has to do with the gray area of ethics and laws.

I haven't played Mass Effect since the first game, I enjoyed the first game, but I lost my save files and never got around to replaying it to get a new game in 2. As per what I heard of the ending of Mass Effect 3, it actually sounds kindof cool from what I've heard (outside of the raving fandom).

Not your whole mentality, the mentality of the Dadaist art movement, I would say your mentality is more like what lead to WWI then what was found after it.

 

[Meight08]

You have every right to modify any and all files you download. Being banned for modding Coalesced.bin is ludicrous. Especially when you consider that most do so to tweak performance, such as changing the FoV.

Not unless the EULA says you can, or the developers say that you can regardless of the EULA.

I didn't buy the game on Origin (360 version here) but unless they made you sign a EULA BEFORE you purchased the product they have no right to do this, but then again there is some shady legal stuff behind Origin anyway. Its best to avoid it all together if you want to buy video games as actual products instead of renting them for an undisclosed amount of time.

THEN MAKE A FUCKING COMPLAINT TO THE FEDERAL TRADE COMMISSION INSTEAD OF WHINING!
sorry it just pisses me of when people complaint about stuff the "evil corporation" does without actually looking up your rights and see if its legal.

It would be weird for me to file a complaint about something I don't actually own wouldn't it? I don't have the PC version of ME3 or Origin.

I mean against people in general sorry people who dont use their rights piss me off.
Friends?

 

[Fappy]

You have every right to modify any and all files you download. Being banned for modding Coalesced.bin is ludicrous. Especially when you consider that most do so to tweak performance, such as changing the FoV.

Not unless the EULA says you can, or the developers say that you can regardless of the EULA.

I didn't buy the game on Origin (360 version here) but unless they made you sign a EULA BEFORE you purchased the product they have no right to do this, but then again there is some shady legal stuff behind Origin anyway. Its best to avoid it all together if you want to buy video games as actual products instead of renting them for an undisclosed amount of time.

THEN MAKE A FUCKING COMPLAINT TO THE FEDERAL TRADE COMMISSION INSTEAD OF WHINING!
sorry it just pisses me of when people complaint about stuff the "evil corporation" does without actually looking up your rights and see if its legal.

It would be weird for me to file a complaint about something I don't actually own wouldn't it? I don't have the PC version of ME3 or Origin.

I mean against people in general sorry people who dont use their rights piss me off.
Friends?

/brofist

Read the rest of the thread. Its kind of funny actually. Its one of the most pointless flamewars I have read in awhile.

 

[Weaver]

I feel I should be allowed to modify whatever is on my hard drive. And, since bill c-10 hasn't gone through, this is still legal in Canada.

I just can't believe people argue that if I want to change my FOV in mass effect 3 I deserve to be banned from all my games on Origin... not that I use Origin or own ME3.

 

[Something Amyss]

So you're saying if Da Vinci was alive today and able to sue... what Duchamp did would have been wrong?

If Da Vinci was alive and had a valid, active claim to copyright (Which, thanks to several countries, he probably could. Damn extensions), what he did would be copyright infringement, even if for the sake of "art." The only exception would be claiming satire/parody, which would readily go against Duchamp's argument for "readymades" as art.

You want to argue "right" and "wrong?" Those are fairly subjective. One can be "right" and break a law or "wrong" and obey it. But what he did is not illegal because he used a public domain work. The likeness of the Mona Lisa can be used without licensing even without an argument of "artistry." It's used on food products, FFS.

How about the urinal that he signed, should the Sloan Valve Company sue him? he used their IP without a signed letter of contract stating he had the right to use their product.

I take it you don't know how intellectual property works. That's okay, most people seem not to. One of the things that irks me about the term "IP" Is that it's used synonymously with "franchise" or in this case, "product." Both, technically, can be Intellectual properties, but being either does not necessarily indicate Intellectual Property.