Modding single player Mass Effect 3 bans you from Origin

[SajuukKhar]

Only applies to digital purchases. I bought mine at a store, so I never had a EULA pop up to agree to it. I'm arguing that an EULA was never presented to me at any point.

Actually both those apply to things they bought physically.

If you bought the PC version then yes there was EULA, I'm not sure how it works on consoles.

 

[RedEyesBlackGamer]

Only applies to digital purchases. I bought mine at a store, so I never had a EULA pop up to agree to it. I'm arguing that an EULA was never presented to me at any point.

Actually both those apply to things they bought physically.

If you bought the PC version then yes there was EULA, I'm not sure how it works on consoles.

No, they don't. My copy is for the 360. I never installed the game and I never had an agreement/contract pop up.
Edit: It would be different if the EULA popped up at start up and I had to agree to it to continue or if they pulled out the EULA at the store before my purchase.

 

[spartandude]

i love how some people here are so complacent

"EA has the legal right to bann you therefore its fine"

no that doesnt make it ok, maybe they shouldnt have that right!

Why shouldn't people be modding? What ethical rule does it breach to set your FOV, fix bugs, or add content to a single-player game?

The ethical rule that it is wrong to change something that legally doesn't belong to you without the owners permission.

Legality =/= morality. Particularly where something on as shaky legal ground as EULAs are is concerned.

i want your adopted babies

 

[SajuukKhar]

No, they don't. My copy is for the 360. I never installed the game and I never had an agreement/contract pop up.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ProCD_v._Zeidenberg
"Zeidenberg created a website and offered the information originally on the CD to visitors for a fee that was less than what ProCD charged its commercial customers"
How is a physical CD digital again?

Also many games nowadays have a "this software is subject to a license agreement" stamp/wording on the box normally on the back in that area of small text you are EXPECTED to read before you buy the game.

In a case like that EA could argue that since you were told of the EULA's existence you should have looked it up beforehand.

 

[SajuukKhar]

Portal began life as a mod. Narbacular Drop. Think about that...

Narbacular drop wasn't a mod.

 

[Soviet Heavy]

I think its fair that the definition of "licensed" in gaming terms has changed since then. Back in those days publishers did not have a way to track what you were doing and remotely lock your shit down. It was more a way to prevent copyright infringement and piracy.

The difference between now and then is not what they meant by licensed but how they can now actually catch you for breaking it.

Gamers are finally having to face up the consequences of what they been signing after nearly 30 years of ignoring it.

You say that like modders are criminals.

 

[RedEyesBlackGamer]

No, they don't. My copy is for the 360. I never installed the game and I never had an agreement/contract pop up.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ProCD_v._Zeidenberg
"Zeidenberg created a website and offered the information originally on the CD to visitors for a fee that was less than what ProCD charged its commercial customers"
How is a physical CD digital again?

Also many games nowadays have a "this software is subject to a license agreement" stamp/wording on the box normally on the back in that area of small text you are EXPECTED to read before you buy the game.

In a case like that EA could argue that since you were told of the EULA's existence you should have looked it up beforehand.

Just checked, nope. Not on the back or the pamphlet inside. Just a warning about circumventing copy protection. Anything other than that is not mentioned.

 

[Aerosteam]

Why shouldn't people be modding? What ethical rule does it breach to set your FOV, fix bugs, or add content to a single-player game?

Why don't you ask BioWare that question? They're the ones who are actually banning people for doing it, I just think it's wrong. Their game, their rules. You want to mod their game? Hope you like getting banned. This is not me, this is BioWare.

 

[SajuukKhar]

You say that like modders are criminals.

I cant say it like anything because text does not have tone nor my typing something = me "saying" anything because text =/= spoken words.

Secondly I never once stated or implied that they are criminals because they are not, at least so long as the developers has said it is ok for them to mod.

 

[IMGF]

Just another reason why not to buy anything that uses Origin.

 

[gmaverick019_v1legacy]

You say that like modders are criminals.

I cant say it like anything because text does not have tone nor my typing something = me "saying" anything because text =/= spoken words.

Secondly I never once stated or implied that they are criminals because they are not............... so long as the developers has said it is ok for them to mod.

you come across HEAVILY as a corporate lackey, regardless of text vs. spoken word with the attitude in your responses. I'm pretty sure every person in here, especially after everything that has been shown in this thread, understands the legality issues with this. That doesn't mean there isn't a fundamental "bullshit" sensor going off in everyone's head regarding the moral issue of this, which is what most of us are getting at.

 

[SajuukKhar]

Just another reason why not to buy anything that uses Origin.

It has nothing to do with Origin specifically, as Sims 3 still allows for user created content and it is on Origin.

 

[Kahunaburger]

Why shouldn't people be modding? What ethical rule does it breach to set your FOV, fix bugs, or add content to a single-player game?

Why don't you ask BioWare that question? They're the ones who are actually banning people for doing it, I just think it's wrong. Their game, their rules. You want to mod their game? Hope you like getting banned. This is not me, this is BioWare.

So ethics are now divinely handed down by EA's legal department? Please elaborate.

 

[Kahunaburger]

Just another reason why not to buy anything that uses Origin.

Yep. Plus, it's not like EA makes games that are all that good anyway.

 

[SajuukKhar]

you come across HEAVILY as a corporate lackey, regardless of text vs. spoken word with the attitude in your responses. I'm pretty sure every person in here, especially after everything that has been shown in this thread, understands the legality issues with this. That doesn't mean there isn't a fundamental "bullshit" sensor going off in everyone's head regarding the moral issue of this, which is what most of us are getting at.

Because me agreeing that the owner of an item has the right to tell others what not to do with it is means I am a corporate lackey?

I guess me agreeing with someone that a person he lets borrow his lawnmower can only mow his lawn with it and not upgrade it also makes me a corporate lackey also?

 

[IMGF]

Just another reason why not to buy anything that uses Origin.

It has nothing to do with Origin specifically, as Sims 3 still allows for user created content and it is on Origin.

It has everything to do with Origin as my Origin account would be banned and I would lose access to my Sims 3 copy.

 

[wintercoat]

Just another reason why not to buy anything that uses Origin.

It has nothing to do with Origin specifically, as Sims 3 still allows for user created content and it is on Origin.

Y'know, while I'm here, and I've already said what I have to say on the matter, I have to ask...where is your avatar from? It looks so friggin familiar and it's been bothering me lately that I can't figure out what it's from.

 

[SajuukKhar]

It has everything to do with Origin as my Origin account would be banned and I would lose access to my Sims 3 copy.

Valve could ban you from Steam if you modded a Bethesda game that Bethesda said you couldn't mod but that wouldn't be Valve's fault as Valve didn't set the rules for that particular game the developer did.

Origin is just the enforcer it is the Devs who set the mandate.

Y'know, while I'm here, and I've already said what I have to say on the matter, I have to ask...where is your avatar from? It looks so friggin familiar and it's been bothering me lately that I can't figure out what it's from.

It is from Battle Angel Alita
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_Angel_Alita

 

[IMGF]

It has everything to do with Origin as my Origin account would be banned and I would lose access to my Sims 3 copy.

Valve could ban you from Steam if you modded a Bethesda game that Bethesda said you couldn't mod but that wouldn't be Valve's fault as Valve because they did set the rules for that particular game the developer did.

But Valve doesn't. I've never heard of Valve banning someone from all their games for modding a single-player experience. And I never mentioned Valve in the first place, so why are you even bringing it up?