Modding single player Mass Effect 3 bans you from Origin

[hazabaza1]

Yipes.
Glad I could get through the game without editing the FOV like I was tempted to.

 

[gmaverick019_v1legacy]

you come across HEAVILY as a corporate lackey, regardless of text vs. spoken word with the attitude in your responses. I'm pretty sure every person in here, especially after everything that has been shown in this thread, understands the legality issues with this. That doesn't mean there isn't a fundamental "bullshit" sensor going off in everyone's head regarding the moral issue of this, which is what most of us are getting at.

Because me agreeing that the owner of an item has the right to tell others what not to do with it is means I am a corporate lackey?

I guess me agreeing with someone that a person he lets borrow his lawnmower can only mow his lawn with it and not upgrade it also makes me a corporate lackey also?

your example is flawed, if you went and bought a mower from sears, then modded it yourself, such as to add a cupholder or not be as loud, or maybe to go faster. that'd be more accurate. tell me, what is the problem with that? I see none. I gave the company my money for my personal use of the said item, and i really don't see the moral issue with me enhancing my experience. (keyword's on MY experience, without affecting others.)

 

[SajuukKhar]

But Valve doesn't. I've never heard of Valve banning someone from all their games for modding a single-player experience. And I never mentioned Valve in the first place, so why are you even bringing it up?

It was an example.

Origin/Steam, or in better terms, EA/Valve, would not be the ones responsible for you getting banned from their respective services for modding a SP game because it is THE DEVELOPER'S, in this case BIOWARE, choice to allow modding or not.

Valve/EA are the enforces of the developers wishes and the fact that other games exist on origin and allow for user generated content to be made and added to them shows it is not Origin itself that is the problem.

Bioware COULD have told EA to fuck off and allow modding, but they didn't. that isn't Origin's fault but Bioware's own choice.

your example is flawed, if you went and bought a mower from sears, then modded it yourself, such as to add a cupholder or not be as loud, or maybe to go faster. that'd be more accurate. tell me, what is the problem with that? I see none. I gave the company my money for my personal use of the said item, and i really don't see the moral issue with me enhancing my experience. (keyword's on MY experience, without affecting others.)

Your example is flawed because you own that lawnmower in question, games you don't actually own you license.

Every game you payed for is just a very long rent that can be taken away at any time.

 

[Aerosteam]

So ethics are now divinely handed down by EA's legal department? Please elaborate.

Why are you even asking me these questions? Basically if you mod BioWare's game, you're going to get banned. That's it, nothing else. Nothing to elaborate.

All you've done is bring up ethnics and if it has something to do with EA's legal department and ask me questions about them. I'm not punishing anyone for modding Mass Effect 3, EA is. Ask them.

 

[IMGF]

But Valve doesn't. I've never heard of Valve banning someone from all their games for modding a single-player experience. And I never mentioned Valve in the first place, so why are you even bringing it up?

It was an example.

Origin/Steam, or in better terms, EA/Valve, would not be the ones responsible for you getting banned from their respective services for modding a SP game because it is THE DEVELOPER'S, in this case BIOWARE, choice to allow modding or not.

Valve/EA are the enforces of the developers wishes and the fact that other games exist on origin and allow for user generated content to be made and added to them shows it is not Origin itself that is the problem.

Bioware COULD have told EA to fuck off and allow modding, but they didn't. that isn't Origin's fault but Bioware's own choice.

Yes, but Valve would ban you from a single game, not your entire collection. Origin would ban you from your entire collection for modding on one game. There is a difference between the two. Valve and EA can ban you, sure, but banning me from my entire collection is complete bullshit when I only modded Mass Effect 3. I shouldn't lose my right to play Sims 3 or Battlefield 3 because of it.

That's why I won't buy anything from Origin if they can just take away my entire collection for violating some sort of bullshit rule.

 

[gmaverick019_v1legacy]

But Valve doesn't. I've never heard of Valve banning someone from all their games for modding a single-player experience. And I never mentioned Valve in the first place, so why are you even bringing it up?

It was an example.

Origin/Steam, or in better terms, EA/Valve, would not be the ones responsible for you getting banned from their respective services for modding a SP game because it is THE DEVELOPER'S, in this case BIOWARE, choice to allow modding or not.

Valve/EA are the enforces of the developers wishes and the fact that other games exist on origin and allow for user generated content to be made and added to them shows it is not Origin itself that is the problem.

Bioware COULD have told EA to fuck off and allow modding, but they didn't. that isn't Origin's fault but Bioware's own choice.

your example is flawed, if you went and bought a mower from sears, then modded it yourself, such as to add a cupholder or not be as loud, or maybe to go faster. that'd be more accurate. tell me, what is the problem with that? I see none. I gave the company my money for my personal use of the said item, and i really don't see the moral issue with me enhancing my experience. (keyword's on MY experience, without affecting others.)

Your example is flawed because you own that lawnmower in question, games you don't actually own you license.

Every game you payed for is just a very long rent that can be taken away at any time.

it was flawed to begin with, as it is a physical item, not digital. Once again, as I pointed out originally, the legality of it, all been said and understood, I was merely referencing the moral side of it. taken away at any time? I would love to see someone try to take my games away. Hell I personally invite that company or person to attempt it, and what grounds they are based on.

 

[Kahunaburger]

So ethics are now divinely handed down by EA's legal department? Please elaborate.

Why are you even asking me these questions? Basically if you mod BioWare's game, you're going to get banned. That's it, nothing else. Nothing to elaborate.

All you've done is bring up ethnics and if it has something to do with EA's legal department and ask me questions about them. I'm not punishing anyone for modding Mass Effect 3, EA is. Ask them.

I'm curious as to where the jump from "EA will ban you if they catch you modding Mass Effect" to "you shouldn't mod Mass Effect" comes from. I'd be more inclined to say "you should try not to get caught."

 

[SajuukKhar]

Yes, but Valve would ban you from a single game, not your entire collection. Origin would ban you from your entire collection for modding on one game. There is a difference between the two. Valve and EA can ban you, sure, but banning me from my entire collection is complete bullshit when I only modded Mass Effect 3. I shouldn't lose my right to play Sims 3 or Battlefield 3 because of it.

That's why I won't buy anything from Origin if they can just take away my entire collection for violating some sort of bullshit rule.

Valve has banned people from their entire account because paypal fucked up in sending them money. Valve has banned people who got hacked, said person told valve they got hacked, and then were told by Valve that they would get their account back.

Steam has a history of banning people from all their games for things not even in the account owners control.

If you REALLY think they would ban you from that ONE game, your only joking yourself.

I'm curious as to where the jump from "EA will ban you if they catch you modding Mass Effect" to "you shouldn't mod Mass Effect" comes from. I'd be more inclined to say "you should try not to get caught."

How nice, supporting illegal actions by using the "try not to get caught" line instead of supporting trying to get the EULAs changed through legal processes.

With thinking like that I don't see why people find it so surprising that game companies are trying increasingly worse forms of DRM.

 

[IMGF]

Valve has banned people from their entire account because paypal fucked up in sending them money. Valve has banned people who got hacked, said person told valve they got hacked, and then were told by Valve that they would get their account back.

Steam has a history of banning people from all their games for things not even in the account owners control.

If you REALLY think they would ban you from that ONE game, your only joking yourself.

You really like completely changing the subject to keep your point going don't you?

Paypal scamming is completely different from modifying a game and shouldn't even be used in the same context at all. And since you don't have any proof to back up your claims, I have no reason to believe you at all. I don't believe for one second the people who told Steam their accounts were "hacked" are all innocent as they say.

 

[Rawne1980]

Sorry is single player that hard for you?

Do you need someone to hold your hand or make you invincible?

If you need to mod the game in anyway, I laugh at you.

It's easy enough.

I think you need to go and look up what "mods" actually are.

Massive difference between modding a game and cheating.

I mod nearly all my games on PC when it's possible. I can add content or change textures, in the case of some games, add new quest chains and entirely new areas.

 

[Aerosteam]

I'm curious as to where the jump from "EA will ban you if they catch you modding Mass Effect" to "you shouldn't mod Mass Effect" comes from. I'd be more inclined to say "you should try not to get caught."

I going to be honest here, I have no idea what point you're trying to make.

EA will ban you if they catch you modding Mass Effect 3 - this has been the case before I even discovered this thread, it was established by BioWare, not me.

You shouldn't mod Mass Effect 3 - I said this at the very start, so I don't know how you think I jumped to it.

Also, you'd rather argue with someone has an opinion instead of the people who actually created the problem?

 

[Kahunaburger]

I'm curious as to where the jump from "EA will ban you if they catch you modding Mass Effect" to "you shouldn't mod Mass Effect" comes from. I'd be more inclined to say "you should try not to get caught."

How nice, supporting illegal actions by using the "try not to get caught" line instead of supporting trying to get the EULAs changed through legal processes.

With thinking like that I don't see why people find it so surprising that game companies are trying increasingly worse forms of DRM.

Illegal? EA is not going to be able to take someone to court for changing their FOV in a video game. Oh, armchair lawyers...

 

[SajuukKhar]

You really like completely changing the subject to keep your point going don't you?

Paypal scamming is completely different from modifying a game and shouldn't even be used in the same context at all. And since you don't have any proof to back up your claims, I have no reason to believe you at all. I don't believe for one second the people who told Steam their accounts were "hacked" are all innocent as they say.

Actually the subject we were on was "getting banned from Origins because you mod a SP game and it being Origins fault", which we were still talking about.

Secondly I never said payapl scammed anyone, only that they fucked up in sending Valve money, large difference.

thirdly I could just as well argue that since you have no evidence that this is in fact Origins fault, which the fact that sims 3 exists as it does is evidence that it isn't, I have no reason to believe your claims.

 

[tendaji]

Just checked, nope. Not on the back or the pamphlet inside. Just a warning about circumventing copy protection. Anything other than that is not mentioned.

Actually at the bottom of the pamphlet it tells you where to go for the EULAs for their games.

EULAS AND ADDITIONAL DISCLOSURES CAN BE FOUND AT www.ea.com/1/product-eulas.

So to be honest, it is all there for an informed consumer to find. But for the most part, people don't care about the EULAs and automatically agree to them without even looking, so why should a company waste printing out the EULAs for each copy, when they can just have a link to them for people to find?

 

[IMGF]

thirdly I could just as well argue that since you have no evidence that this is in fact Origins fault, which the fact that sims 3 exists as it does is evidence that it isn't, I have no reason to believe your claims.

http://social.bioware.com/forum/1/topic/344/index/9917845/2#10648995

Modifying the Sims 3 doesn't get you banned, but modifying Mass Effect 3 will. That's bullshit. If Origin can't stay consistent throughout the games it hosts with its rules, then there's no reason for me to buy anything from them.

 

[SajuukKhar]

http://social.bioware.com/forum/1/topic/344/index/9917845/2#10648995

Modifying the Sims 3 doesn't get you banned, but modifying Mass Effect 3 will. That's bullshit. If Origin can't stay consistent throughout the games it hosts with its rules, then there's no reason for me to buy anything from them.

................................That's because IT ISN'T ORIGIN SETTING THE RULES IT IS EACH DEVELOPER.

Origin much like Steam doesn't set the rules for what developers allow in their own games. they just enforce the rules the developers make for thier own games, and have an overall DONT CHEAT/HACK in games rules.

Neither Valve nor EA could tell Bethesda to allow modding or get rid of it.

/facepalm

 

[Dansen]

This is retarded and should be brought to court. EA should not hold the rights to how people use their product. It is invasive and absurd, no other industry does this. If I wanted to put some homemade movie clips on to a dvd of a movie I bought, I am perfectly able to do that legally.

A little kid wants to paint his toy a different color, then all in a sudden a man in a suit comes out of no where and takes the toy. The kid asks why the toy was taken away? "You weren't playing with it correctly and you were defacing the artistic vision of its creator, the toy is mine, I am simply licensing this to you."

It is ridiculous and infringes on the rights of the consumer. As long as it doesn't hurt anybody or ruins their gaming experience mods should be welcomed with open arms. They extend your games life and increase its value, its in your interest to encourage this behavior not punish it.

 

[SajuukKhar]

This is retarded and should be brought to court. EA should not hold the rights to how people use their product. It is invasive and absurd, no other industry does this. If I wanted to put some homemade movie clips on to a dvd of a movie I bought, I am perfectly able to do that legally.

A little kid wants to paint his toy a different color, then all in a sudden a man in a suit comes out of no where and takes the toy. The kid asks why the toy was taken away? "You weren't playing with it correctly and you were defacing the artistic vision of its creator, the toy is mine, I am simply licensing this to you."

It is ridiculous and infringes on the rights of the consumer. As long as it doesn't hurt anybody or ruins their gaming experience mods should be welcomed with open arms. They extend your games life and increase its value, its in your interest to encourage this behavior not punish it.

The thing is though, games are not YOUR product, they belong to the developers, you are only renting a license from them.

"Buying" a game is the same as paying to borrow someone elses lawnmower, they can come and take it away any time they want.

Also both the movie and music industry have similar rules on their products, gaming is not alone in this matter.

That is how it has been for decades.

 

[IMGF]

................................That's because IT ISN'T ORIGIN SETTING THE RULES IT IS EACH DEVELOPER.

Origin much like Steam doesn't set the rules for what developers allow in their own games. they just enforce the rules the developers make for thier own games.

/facepalm

You are obviously missing the point and creating bullshit to further your own arguments. I see no point to continue this discussion if you're just going to keep pulling the same idiotic points up over and over again.

 

[endtherapture]

http://social.bioware.com/forum/1/topic/344/index/9917845/2#10648995

Modifying the Sims 3 doesn't get you banned, but modifying Mass Effect 3 will. That's bullshit. If Origin can't stay consistent throughout the games it hosts with its rules, then there's no reason for me to buy anything from them.

................................That's because IT ISN'T ORIGIN SETTING THE RULES IT IS EACH DEVELOPER.

Origin is EA. EA owns Bioware. Bioware are an EA company. So it is Origin/EA/Bioware's fault cos they're one and the same (in this case).