Modern day concentration camp

[Angerwing]

While these camps are horrible, there is nothing we can really do about it.

-Nuke North Korea? = Global Thermonuclear war
-Invade North Korea? = Massive casualties on both sides, could lead to WW3
-More sanctions = Not going to help these people

There isn't really a solution to this problem.

The USA could wipe out the NK army with minimal casualties. They're not a guerilla force, so they're easy to target, and their army is under-equipped and under-trained. The United States could destroy their (extremely old) artillery before it could accomplish anything, and keep their entire military capabilities suppressed with only a fraction of its power. Not only that, but China wouldn't even intervene. Do you think they would give up the hundreds of billions of dollars coming in from Japan, South Korea, the US or their allies? Just for some embarrassing shit-hole that they've been supporting? Not a chance, nobody is coming to North Korea's aid if war breaks out. What's happening is the North Korean government posturing and threatening the rest of the world in the hopes of SK and USA offering to shut them up with shipments of food.

Anyway, if North Korea tries to nuke anybody, their missile will be shot out of the god-damn sky.

 

[Ironside]

Communist regimes tend to be rather brutal against their own people, so I dont know why it should be so surprising that their are such horrific death camps in North Korea. There is very little we can do about it unless the North Koreans attack their neighbours.

While these camps are horrible, there is nothing we can really do about it.

-Nuke North Korea? = Global Thermonuclear war
-Invade North Korea? = Massive casualties on both sides, could lead to WW3
-More sanctions = Not going to help these people

There isn't really a solution to this problem.

The first one is only the case if the United States starts the conflict. If North Korea attacks a large city such as Tokyo or Seoul China certainly won't protect them - in fact I imagine they would move in to replace the regime with their own puppet if they did. In any case the US doesnt need nukes to destroy the North Korean military - within a few days of the start of the conflict the North would be reduced to fighting some kind of guerilla war since the US will have achieved air superiority in the first 10 seconds of the war.

Sometimes I wish North Korea would do something stupid like attacking a city (hopefully not successfully) just so their regime could be toppled and their people liberated. Even if massive casualties are caused I see it as being more beneficial for the world in the long term if the North Korean government is removed.

 

[idarkphoenixi]

The kind of things I hear coming out of North Korea is just unbelievably awful. Including testing chemical weapons on people (just like those gas showers from WWII).

One of the escapees was a guard there and he was in the position to see much more than simple prisoners. Torture, rape, executions. People are born there now because of what their fucking grandparents did in the Korean war.

Will we go in and liberate them? Probably not, that's just how politics work.
North Korea has nuclear weapons and more importantly, they have no natural resources. The whole place is pretty useless, the few fertile fields they DO have are used to grow opium for export.

I do find it extremely obnoxious that the world (mostly America) looks at a place like Iran and says "awww shit, these guys might possibly develop some kind of nuclear energy at some point in the distant future, better bomb them NOW before they get that far!" Yet, North Korea DOES have nuclear weapons right now and is currently threatening to use them on S. Korea and America. But nobody seems to care.

 

[Ironside]

Will we go in and liberate them? Probably not, that's just how politics work.
North Korea has nuclear weapons and more importantly, they have no natural resources. The whole place is pretty useless, the few fertile fields they DO have are used to grow opium for export.

I do find it extremely obnoxious that the world (mostly America) looks at a place like Iran and says "awww shit, these guys might possibly develop some kind of nuclear energy at some point in the distant future, better bomb them NOW before they get that far!" Yet, North Korea DOES have nuclear weapons right now and is currently threatening to use them on S. Korea and America. But nobody seems to care.

Actually North Korea has plentiful natural resources - they just aren't using them. They have high levels of rare earth materials and several other valuable minerals and whatnot. South Korea estimated that the North had $6 trillion worth of rare earth materials alone.

They can threaten to nuke the United States all they want, but considering they have no capability to reach that far I dont think abybody will take them seriously. I imagine people in South Korea and Japan are more concerned about their nukes though.

 

[Boris Goodenough]

Only if its the experiment laser one.

If its a missile to missile based anti missile defense... you might as well shoot at it with a musket because those systems are hilariously shoddy, even by cold war standards.

The missile based defenses couldn't even protect us when we needed it most during the cold war. Its the reason we dropped it and went for laser based defenses, which I am not sure if its in service yet.

My friend in Raytheon says differently about laser defence systems, also http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iron_Dome works pretty well compared to what you're saying, yes I know it's a different size missiles and yields we are talking about.

 

[purf]

I don't have anything substantial to actually contribute to the topic at hand, but this might be of interest:

livestream of KCTV, on air from 5pm to 11pm Korea time: [link]http://112.170.78.145:50000/chosun[/link]

It's... Something.

 

[Joccaren]

Well, if you're wanting something to be done you probably won't have to wait long. NK is preparing to launch a Nuclear Missile this week apparently, and Japan has sent out Missile Interception systems to prepare, Germany is supporting them, America are running tests and destroying flying drones with Cruiser mounted Laser Guns and preparing nearby - looks like NK will make one really stupid move soon and get stomped into oblivion.
Really not sure whether to hope it happens so this shit can end sooner, or hope it doesn't so more people don't loose their lives now.
Either way, its all in the hands of their nutcase dictator ATM.

 

[JoJo]

I do find it extremely obnoxious that the world (mostly America) looks at a place like Iran and says "awww shit, these guys might possibly develop some kind of nuclear energy at some point in the distant future, better bomb them NOW before they get that far!" Yet, North Korea DOES have nuclear weapons right now and is currently threatening to use them on S. Korea and America. But nobody seems to care.

The difference between Iran and North Korea is that NK is surrounded by fairly stable and sensible countries, who can be relied on to avoid nuclear war for the most part. The Middle East on the other hand is a fucking tinderbox of vying religious sects (Sunni vs Shia and both of them vs Jews) and political factions. Israel is generally believed to already have a small nuclear arsenal, Saudi Arabia has promised to develop their own nukes if their rival Iran gets some. Given all three countries hate each other, what we could be looking at would be a three-way mini Cold War in the Middle East. With the added religious angle, I wouldn't bet against regional nuclear war as the eventual outcome.

 

[knight steel]

snip!

Whoah, hold on man. I don't think Dirty Hipsters meant it quite like that. I think it's great that you are interested in global issues. I can understand what it's like to be a teenager and beginning to examine what goes on in the world, but picking your battles is the important point. Makes perfect sense to look at problems close to home or within your reach. Volunteering or donating blood is a good place to start.

Hmmm so he's not saying I should shut and accept it,but more of the lines of pick my battle better?
Sorry just passionate about the issue,and might be getting a little hot blooded-I'll edit my post ^_^

 

[Hawkeye21]

Wow, thats sounds worse than Guantanamo... Is it closing anytime soon btw? Lol nope. Stay classy, America, NK

 

[Gilhelmi]

Over and over again, I see history repeat. I am tired of the repeating history. Nations rise and fall. Truth flourishes then dies then flourishes again. Though the nation have different names, they are so much the same.

The average age of a nation is 200 years before falling. How many nations on earth today is that old (that are the same type of government, even the United Kingdom is not really the same nation as it was 70 years ago)? I can only think of one. Republics and Democracies only last until the people voting realize that the can vote money out of the public trusts and accounts.

Then the oppression of the people starts again.

With the NK, again the UN (but mainly China, this time, though I am not sure they were in the UN at the time) is at fault for not holding the leaders accountable 60 years ago.

I apologies if my thoughts are unfocused here, it is quite late. I will try to refocus my thoughts on the Evil that the majority of people will ignore.

 

[Supertegwyn]

While these camps are horrible, there is nothing we can really do about it.

-Nuke North Korea? = Global Thermonuclear war
-Invade North Korea? = Massive casualties on both sides, could lead to WW3
-More sanctions = Not going to help these people

There isn't really a solution to this problem.

The USA could wipe out the NK army with minimal casualties. They're not a guerilla force, so they're easy to target, and their army is under-equipped and under-trained. The United States could destroy their (extremely old) artillery before it could accomplish anything, and keep their entire military capabilities suppressed with only a fraction of its power. Not only that, but China wouldn't even intervene. Do you think they would give up the hundreds of billions of dollars coming in from Japan, South Korea, the US or their allies? Just for some embarrassing shit-hole that they've been supporting? Not a chance, nobody is coming to North Korea's aid if war breaks out. What's happening is the North Korean government posturing and threatening the rest of the world in the hopes of SK and USA offering to shut them up with shipments of food.

Anyway, if North Korea tries to nuke anybody, their missile will be shot out of the god-damn sky.

I'm talking about if North Korea invades South Korea. 13,000 pieces of artillery pointing at 10 million people is not a great idea. While it is true America would smash North Korea in the end, it would still cause massive casualties to the South Korean people.

Quoted:
"An actual war on the Korean peninsula would almost certainly be the bloodiest America has fought since Vietnam?possibly since World War II. In recent years Pentagon experts have estimated that the first ninety days of such a conflict might produce 300,000 to 500,000 South Korean and American military casualties, along with hundreds of thousands of civilian deaths. The damage to South Korea alone would rock the global economy."
Source: http://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2005/07/north-korea-the-war-game/304029/

 

[Supertegwyn]

Communist regimes tend to be rather brutal against their own people, so I dont know why it should be so surprising that their are such horrific death camps in North Korea. There is very little we can do about it unless the North Koreans attack their neighbours.

While these camps are horrible, there is nothing we can really do about it.

-Nuke North Korea? = Global Thermonuclear war
-Invade North Korea? = Massive casualties on both sides, could lead to WW3
-More sanctions = Not going to help these people

There isn't really a solution to this problem.

The first one is only the case if the United States starts the conflict. If North Korea attacks a large city such as Tokyo or Seoul China certainly won't protect them - in fact I imagine they would move in to replace the regime with their own puppet if they did. In any case the US doesnt need nukes to destroy the North Korean military - within a few days of the start of the conflict the North would be reduced to fighting some kind of guerilla war since the US will have achieved air superiority in the first 10 seconds of the war.

Sometimes I wish North Korea would do something stupid like attacking a city (hopefully not successfully) just so their regime could be toppled and their people liberated. Even if massive casualties are caused I see it as being more beneficial for the world in the long term if the North Korean government is removed.

Well yes, I was just referring to if America (for whatever reason) decided to Nuke North Korea first.

 

[emeraldrafael]

This isnt a new revelation I'm afraid. hell i saw this on a <url=http://www.cracked.com/article_17165_6-reasons-north-korea-funniest-evil-dictatorship-ever.html>cracked article (number 5) and when they're talking about it you have to assume its been public for a bit, because they're not some super secret and amazing spy group.

So while its not like its unknown its more a political matter of what can you do about it? With Germany doing this you could just roll in and force them to stop cause you were already in a war. the UN could say N. Korea, you stop this nonsense now but N. Korea doesnt care what the UN has to say considering the sanctions on them. and you cant just walk in there without N. Korea saying its an act of war (which it kinda is) and them ready and raring to go for a war with recent headlines.

 

[Haunted Serenity]

One day the North Korean People will have had enough and they will fight back some how. All governments that govern with terror such as this will meet their end.

 

[Angerwing]

While these camps are horrible, there is nothing we can really do about it.

-Nuke North Korea? = Global Thermonuclear war
-Invade North Korea? = Massive casualties on both sides, could lead to WW3
-More sanctions = Not going to help these people

There isn't really a solution to this problem.

The USA could wipe out the NK army with minimal casualties. They're not a guerilla force, so they're easy to target, and their army is under-equipped and under-trained. The United States could destroy their (extremely old) artillery before it could accomplish anything, and keep their entire military capabilities suppressed with only a fraction of its power. Not only that, but China wouldn't even intervene. Do you think they would give up the hundreds of billions of dollars coming in from Japan, South Korea, the US or their allies? Just for some embarrassing shit-hole that they've been supporting? Not a chance, nobody is coming to North Korea's aid if war breaks out. What's happening is the North Korean government posturing and threatening the rest of the world in the hopes of SK and USA offering to shut them up with shipments of food.

Anyway, if North Korea tries to nuke anybody, their missile will be shot out of the god-damn sky.

I'm talking about if North Korea invades South Korea. 13,000 pieces of artillery pointing at 10 million people is not a great idea. While it is true America would smash North Korea in the end, it would still cause massive casualties to the South Korean people.

Quoted:
"An actual war on the Korean peninsula would almost certainly be the bloodiest America has fought since Vietnam?possibly since World War II. In recent years Pentagon experts have estimated that the first ninety days of such a conflict might produce 300,000 to 500,000 South Korean and American military casualties, along with hundreds of thousands of civilian deaths. The damage to South Korea alone would rock the global economy."
Source: http://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2005/07/north-korea-the-war-game/304029/

That article is 8 years old, for one, and is a bit outdated. A North Korean invasion of South Korea wouldn't be as disastrous as you imagine. They would be able to get probably one barrage off at Seoul with their Cold War era artillery before that entire section of their military is wiped out by American air strikes. The nature of war has changed, and with the massive difference between the two forces, the US and SK forces can attack North Korea with absolute impunity. Sure, North Korea has a large army, and spends a huge chunk of their GDP on military spending, but keep in mind that the North Korean GDP is shit all. South Korea spends more than double the total NK GDP on military alone, because they're so wealthy, and NK is so poor. Kim Jong Un cannot send a sea of untrained North Korean soldiers down south and hope for massive casualties, or they will all die. The only reason Vietnam and Afghanistan/Iraq have been so much trouble for the United States war machine is because of the decentralised nature of their military. In this example, it would be like shooting proverbial fish in barrels. On top of that, they don't even need to put anybody at risk, because with Predator UAVs, they can kill them from the skies, without even being there.

If North Korea is to invade South Korea, it will be the easiest military victory for the United States in the modern era. They are just too well equipped for any other possibility.