Modern Warfare 2 boycott huge Success

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silverbullet1989

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Tdc2182 said:
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sms_117b said:
Haha, knew it wouldn't, I mean a lot of CoD's fan base are casual gamers who don't care about the PC's problems as they're console gamers.

As for me, I just brought it for my PS3
Which is unfair as it was the PC GAMERS who made cod what it is :mad: this is what a lot of the anger stems from.
Uhh, excuse me... Say again because I could have just have sworn You said "Which is unfair as it was the PC GAMERS who made cod what it is" I gotta get my eyes checked. That statement is complete and utter bull.
so call of duty didn?t start out on the pc and gain massive popularity over the medal of honor series, wow I must be imagining my copies of call of duty, and call of duty united offensive
 

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Radelaide said:
sms_117b said:
Haha, knew it wouldn't, I mean a lot of CoD's fan base are casual gamers who don't care about the PC's problems as they're console gamers.

As for me, I just brought it for my PS3
Casual != Console.

OT: IW made the decision to not make dedicated servers for a reason. They're entitled to make that decision. I wish everyone would get over it and stop feeling so damned betrayed. IW don't care that you're crying about not having dedicated servers, they've made the most successful game this year (much to my annoyance; so many better games for that title). Quit yo' bitchin' you girls.
What was the reason they got rid of dedicated servers? Because it's too much work or they just don't give a shit about anybody but themselves! WTF do you think gamers are complaining about?

Also you said "get over it" which is the worst thing you can say ever. I have noticed as the years go by that people care less and less and couldn't give a flying fuck what othr people think or do, actually that confuses me, why don't you just ignore it?

This also might start a trend with other developers and they may remove even more features that are useful or otherwise make the experience better. It's not like people are marching streets setting everything on fire and beating the opposition to a pulp (even though that does sound like fun). No! It's the fact that gamers want the same multiplayer experience they have been getting since whenever and we have grown a-customed to it.

If a boycott is ever succesful then it will probably make them change their minds, but since they made so much money from the console version I don't think it will happen. But you and I know they should be trying to improve games in every generation and make their fans happy.
 

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hawkeye52 said:
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PC gaming makes up a small fraction of sales nowadays with so many console owners salivating over this title it's really no surprise at all.
i read some numbers somewhere and you are right i think it was along the lines of
54% of sales came from the ps3
43% of sales came from xbox360 while the 3% left was pc gaming and i think if we had got dedi servers and console control we would have had a quite bit bigger chunk of sales then that

If those figures are accurate - I am fairly certain the previous game sold something like 12% on PCs, and it would show that the boycott for PC gamers was a huge success. But undoubtedly Activision will keep touting those sale figures (and rightly so), and console-gamers will eat it up equating sales with quality. All one has to do is look at Warhammer Online to see that flawed logic.

But that hinges on accurate figures.
 

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JeanLuc761 said:
Tdc2182 said:
JeanLuc761 said:
Tdc2182 said:
silverbullet1989 said:
sms_117b said:
Haha, knew it wouldn't, I mean a lot of CoD's fan base are casual gamers who don't care about the PC's problems as they're console gamers.

As for me, I just brought it for my PS3
Which is unfair as it was the PC GAMERS who made cod what it is :mad: this is what a lot of the anger stems from.
Uhh, excuse me... Say again because I could have just have sworn You said "Which is unfair as it was the PC GAMERS who made cod what it is" I gotta get my eyes checked. That statement is complete and utter bull.
You are apparently unaware of the fact that the first Call of Duty, also published by Activision and developed by Infinity Ward, was released only on PC. Modern Warfare was the first major success on both the PC and console. Just fyi
And it wasn't recognized widely until it came to console version.
Not true. Call of Duty 2 and 3 were on consoles and yet the series wasn't widely recognized then (except to those who were fans of the series from the beginning). It wasn't until Modern Warfare came out that Call of Duty really got the attention. For that matter, Modern Warfare wasn't successful just because it was on consoles, it was successful because it was an excellent game.
Likewise for the PC games, they weren't good PC games, they were just good games.

Now really, I think this whole argument is just ludicrous, and I'm not looking for a flaming or bashing anybody when I say, what is so important about dedicated servers that some people want to boycott the game and not buy it?

Please inform an ignorant "contard".

From what I see (please not the following sentence may contain heap loads bullshit), PC gamers are boycotting a game because they're getting just as much as the console gamers (if not more seeing as the graphics are better with a decent enough rig)?
 

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ErictheRed1989 said:
Its funny because they thought the could actually make a difference.
Its funny because this sort of attitude means we'll get what's best for Activision, not for us.
 

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ErictheRed1989 said:
Its funny because they thought the could actually make a difference.
They could. If there were more of them. And they actually didn't buy the game. That last bit is the important one for a boycott of this type I think.
 

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The problem with fanboy boycotts is that they involve fanboys. Even if the overwhelming majority of the fanboys genuinely agree with an issue, and feel that they are being wronged or given an inferior product, none of them plan to do without the good in question. Chance are if they were willing to they wouldn't go through the trouble of doing something like a boycott to begin with.

Thus typically those involved in an "online boycott" are people who all plan to buy the product but think it would be nice for everyone else to forego it so the company will change it's mind and give some capitualation like dedicated servers, or simply do things differantly with the next installment in a series.

That is why internet petitions, and threats of boycotts, are not taken seriously and oftentimes banned on otherwise neutral sites simply because they generate a lot of whining with no substance.

Truthfully fandom could have a lot of power if it could coordinate even just a little bit, or grow a pair. Despite what you might think of them, look at what has been achieved by sites like 4chan's /B/ or the Something Awful goons. The big differance between them and say those involved in the anti-IW protest for MW2 is simply that they have the guts to do something legal or otherwise, and realize that enough people acting semi-anonymously is impossible for even federal law enforcement to deal with, if they could be convinced to take it seriously.

You knew it was going to fail in this case, because nobody was willing to do anything but make noise, and approach IW humbly with hat in hand (which corperate America will gladly shat in for you while they laugh). Had you seen anything such as raids, denial of service attackks, site vandalism, or threatening anonymous letters arriving in such numbers IRL that IW feels the need to whine about it... well then maybe something might have come of it.

On the other hand if they have a boycott going on, but are getting letters about killing them and their kids every day, and periodically have to remote Goatse images from their main page... well they might take that seriously enough to change something.

In general there just isn't anything I care about when it comes to gaming to get upset enough to boycott, never mind issue a call to action... except maybe capitulating to censors, and I kind of feel that is something that requires action on a large scale including by the companies themselves. Anything "non kosher" would have to come alongside serious attempts to change things.

Really though I'd think anyone who signed an IW petition should be feeling pretty low right now. I mean it's pretty insuling if you think about it that these guys somehow managed to spend 250 million dollars on this game all together, meaning that they basically had to be wiping their butts with $100 bills, and they couldn't be bothered to provide dedicated servers. Truthfully it's pretty bloody insulting for those that care about such things. Granted 200 million of that was spent on advertising which means probably used to bribe reviewers, or just generally wasted. Human life is cheap and you can pretty much buy a 13 year old virgin sex slave to do what you want in South America or SE Asia for 50k. So basically they could send an underage (or not) sex slave with a suitcase loaded with $50,000 worth of cocaine to 2000 owners of websites, magazines or TV stations to run an add or just say something nice about the game in a column. I'd probably be hard pressed to find 2000 worthwhile advertising venues for this game... stop and think about that for a second. :p
 

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silverbullet1989 said:
Tdc2182 said:
silverbullet1989 said:
sms_117b said:
Haha, knew it wouldn't, I mean a lot of CoD's fan base are casual gamers who don't care about the PC's problems as they're console gamers.

As for me, I just brought it for my PS3
Which is unfair as it was the PC GAMERS who made cod what it is :mad: this is what a lot of the anger stems from.
Uhh, excuse me... Say again because I could have just have sworn You said "Which is unfair as it was the PC GAMERS who made cod what it is" I gotta get my eyes checked. That statement is complete and utter bull.
so call of duty didn?t start out on the pc and gain massive popularity over the medal of honor series, wow I must be imagining my copies of call of duty, and call of duty united offensive
Yes, that must be it

But the series didn't gain popularity till it came to consoles. It wasn't till two were people took major notice of the series
 

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some good news for pc gamers that most probably know by now and some bad news thats more recent (well bad news for the people who bought the game and good for the boycotters)

good news: we have dedi servers of sorts that have console commands since someone managed to unlock it.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-rqLUDfl26Y
for those who dont understand the point that clip is making it shows wat the command console is capable of and if they built it into the game why would they gimp the pc by locking it. also dont look at it and say omg wtf noobtube spam because it would be so that you have access to the console if you need to change some settings but you wouldnt be able to give yourself god abilities or low grav like they have on this vid.

now for the bad news (or good news for those who boycotted it)
since its p2p or client side hosting. everyone has acess to your computer through the hole in your firewall required by cod6 and with no way to filter it a group of people have found a way to send viruses through it and tbh if you can get viruses through a games multiplayer then that shows how fucked up the multiplayer is so dont even try to defend the iwnet system anymore because anything that can give you a virus without you having some preventative measure is bad period.
http://www.destructoid.com/rumor-iwnet-giving-modern-warfare-2-players-viruses-155482.phtml

http://www.modernwarfare2.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=181646&sid=862a36f6b7f035865ade995fde00fc04

edit: sorry link fail before its fixed now
 

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spuddyt said:


Britain's great pre war joke
"To the unknown joke"

May it remain that way...

(Monty python, for those confused)
OT: There really isn't anything people could have done about this. Even if people had boycotted the game, IW would not have put dedicated servers in place. Now, maybe it would have made a difference in the NEXT game, but even that is uncertain.
 

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Oh noes a company is trying to make money!! The horror. Run for the hills. Think about it. Which base is larger PC or console? If you said console you are correct. So console gamers see that they are getting charged more for less. What should we do? Boycott until we get mods and cheaper games? You don't think companies are recognizing that threat? That if things continue the way they were/are they risk offending the ones who are making not only them but the companies they make games for tons of cash? That if all console players move to the PC where piracy runs unchecked and is as easy as 2 clicks of a mouse it is over for them. No more support from Sony or Nintendo or MS. Not to mention the casual type gamers who would have no interest in moving to the PC. Or do they level the field (which is retail shelves) by ensuring that gamers are getting a similar experience for the same price?

And crying because a new untested feature is implemented, threatening piracy and boycotts before it is close to launch is not fighting smart. Sending angry (but eloquent) emails and petitioning if the new system is broken or ineffective is.
This is under-thought on at least a couple of points.

Firstly, "Which base is larger, PC or console"? In 2008, the three non-handheld consoles sold a total of about 92 million units- about half of those from the Wii. In that same year, computer manufacturers sold 297 million units.

Now, some of those were sold to businesses. Some were even sold to businesses that keep a careful enough watch on their employees to prevent them from playing games. Also, some of those computers were netbooks, or other types of computers without the sheer horsepower for playing a game with the requirements of Modern Warfare 2 (as, notably, might also be acknowledged of the Wii.) But assuming the console market is larger out of hand, dismissing the computer market as if the console market is all that should matter to a game production company is sheer foot-in-mouth. Lest we forget, World of Warcraft's last expansion sold 2.8 million units in its first 24 hours.

"The casual type of gamer which as no interest in moving to the PC"? Like the ones who made PopCap rich with Bejeweled and the like, long before such games were showing up on the broadband-equipped current generation of consoles? Casual gaming thrives on PC, in part because the tools have existed on the PC platform longer both to access small studios' works and for said studios to create small-team "casual" games in the first place, with fewer barriers to entry.

To be clear, I agree that the boycott had such completely unrealistic expectations that one almost thinks it was merely another viral marketing campaign to create publicity for the upcoming release. But I wouldn't dismiss the PC market out of hand.
 

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Devs had had a difficult grasp of the line between "casual" and "hardcore" gamers on PC for a while. I bet you could find plenty of PC owners that don't have any consoles, and wish they could play games like MW2 if only they had a decent enough computer.

squid: Activision has made the stance clear multiple times that their goal is making as much money as possible. Heck, even Gamasutra will tell you that when training you to be a game developer. That's why polite letters, as you suggested, don't work. The only vote we have in the gaming world is what we pay for. I'd be very surprised to see something like that get anywhere if everyone were to buy the game anyway.
 

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sms_117b said:
silverbullet1989 said:
Which is unfair as it was the PC GAMERS who made cod what it is :mad: this is what a lot of the anger stems from.
True, but as we all know in this harsh cruel world or corporate gaming, loyalty means nothing, sales mean everything.

danpascooch said:
COD, and casual? really? wow
You sir(?), owe me a new sarcasm detector. I was pointing out the obvious, again, via saying why it didn't and why indeed a boycott of this nature would never, ever work.

toapat said:
sms_117b said:
Haha, knew it wouldn't, I mean a lot of CoD's fan base are casual gamers who don't care about the PC's problems as they're console gamers.

As for me, I just brought it for my PS3
/kills sms_117b from internal hemorrhaging in his own mind.

Console+gamer-negetive comment inbetween=grammatical error. Consoles can not have gamers. they can only have players.
Why are they console users players not gamers? Pong for the home was technically on a console first, the NES was and is a console and I think they might call themselves gamers (2/5 times elitist gamers but gamers none the less), I'm a gamer with a custom gaming PC (albeit in need of a complete overhaul) and I happily play on my PS3, I'm a gamer regardless of platform.
Whoever says console gamers aren't gamers is a heavily biased computer user, and/or a total idiot
 

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I'm not buying it. The reviews are terrible. The customer is always right. The community has spoken!