Modern Warfare 2 Opening Is Real, Aussies Flip Out

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GideonB

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Oh Wow, Michael Atkinson pisses himself in shock and horror. How Surprising.

@Major Tom: That is surprising. I thought Austrailia were getting much tougher after Fallout 3 xD
 

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Furism said:
(this might not be a popular post, since most people probably won't understand it)

This is awesome. Not killing civilians per say, but the fact that some game developers are pushing this so far. It's almost like art, where an artist tries to create a feeling of 'unease'. This is video games getting closer to art techniques, and this is what is awesome. Now, okay, they might not be subtle about it, but better forms will follow.

I wasn't planning on buying the game, but now will. Not because I want to kill civilians, mind, but to support a developer that promotes art in video games.
Anyone who has played Bioshock and has gotten to the part wherein;

Ryan forces the player to beat Ryan's skull in with a golf club, against their wishes, whilst he is defenceless through cutscene, but still First Person Perspective

Knows that forcing a gamer to do something heinous rather than giving them the choice to do it for MUCH LULZ (looking at you, GTA) will make the gamer feel really uncomfortable.

It did for me :/
 

llew

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i think the australian government have no idea what modern day culture is like nowadays then. there is no way it would encourage terrorism as not long after you will be shooting the terrorists anyway!
 

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CantFaketheFunk said:
[blockquote]The consequences of terrorism are just abhorrent in our community and yet here we are with a product that's meant to be passed off as a leisure time activity, actually promoting what most world leaders speak out publicly against ... We understand that it's a game but ... we're not far off when you look at the images that you could actually put it on a Channel Nine news report and you'd think maybe that is real.

If that material was on the internet about how to become a terrorist, how to join a group and how to wipe out people - that would be removed because it would not be acceptable.[/blockquote]

Meanwhile, notorious Aussie lawmaker, South Australian Attorney-General Michael Atkinson - known to many as the main reason why the country lacks a proper 18+ rating - seemed to agree that the sequence promoted terrorism. "Expecting game designers to be responsible by not glorifying terrorism will always lead to disappointment."

On the other hand, some critics were more sensible. Electronic Frontiers Australia spokesperson Nicholas Suzor argued that this sequence highlighted the need for a R18+ rating for videogames. "Films often show the villain's perspective and, by doing that, they get across the character's story and the heinous nature of people who carry out atrocities. Games, too, are becoming more expressive, and are telling more involved stories ... We may make an argument that these sorts of topics are not suitable for children, but I don't at all accept that it is unsuitable for adults."
A perfect example of the higher up in the government you go, the more likely you will find the place staffed by IDIOTS. Jane Roberts and Michael Atkinson need to learn that games are not exclusively made for children; they never have been. I like Nicholas Suzor; the only one who didn't seem to miss the point of the sequence.

Things like this is what pushes games past just being another shallow action game, and is what CoD4 and MW2 makes the games stand out among the crowd of other brownish-grey shooters. If games designers and writers don't do things like this, everything would be all the same with little to distinguish.

Of course, then comes along people who look for something to complain about just because they don't like it and can't handle the fact that a game might actually be trying to make a statement to the player while they are immersed in the game-world. Just like the whole Resident Evil 5 'racism' outcry. That game wouldn't have been nearly as disappointing if they just let Capcom make the game as originally intended and didn't make them tack on that retarded support character and all those utterly arbitrary 'need two people' sequences.

Although, I do find it incredibly satisfying that they can't change their original review of the game, so it can still be released as intended there right now. Here's hoping a third party doesn't step in.

Also, something I'd like to point out.
There are plenty of other totally brutal things in this and the previous Modern Warfare game, and NOW they complain about it when the game is trying to make a statement? Come on...
 

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Because Game designers/Developers wish to promote terrorism.
Like many of the posts on this thread say, it's been done in movies, it can be done in games.

Looks like Osama bin laden will have something extra on his christmas list this year.
 

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Wow. To those of you who have railed that shooting up terrorists in an airport or ramming a plane into a civilian office building is 'no different' than dropping a bomb from a plane on a military target or engaging enemies who are shooting back... I hope you are all killed in a terrorist attack soon.

After WWII it became a bit of an unwritten rule of warfare not to attack population centers - it was common practice back then (firebombings by the British, V2 rockets by the Nazis, Atomic Bomb by the US) and the civilized nations of the world came to the conclusion that not attacking population centers - though demoralizing and effective in crippling enemy infrastructure - was a way to make the world a bit more humane.

War will always be with us, but so long as we are at least willing to make the attempt to limit the conflict to soldiers - we might not just completely destroy the world and it will make us just that much more civilized as a species.

Back on topic... I hope they don't give out an achievement for completing that part of the game particularly well. That's just asking for more trouble.

Also, I have to wonder what prevents me from just turning the gun on the other terrorists?
 

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Is it just me, or is Australia all over gaming news lately?

If MW2 gets banned in Australia, we can expect homemade boats manned by starved, crazed, and desperate Australian gamers to wash up on our coasts.
 

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What I don't get is the "terrorism is abhorrent in our community" line. America got bombed by terrorists and we can still play the game. You mention terrorism in passing to that Council and they think it's a rampaging problem in their own country? If the people who were legitimately affected by extreme acts of terrorism can play the game, there's no reason the Australians can't.

Not saying there isn't terrorism there, I'm sure there is, it's just probably not equivalent to the Twin Towers. Or at least I hope I'd have heard about it if it was.
Alternatively, heaven forbid, we look at places like Ireland, United Kingdom, France, Spain and Israel where we've had terrorist attacks for decades before 9/11. Of course, with the exception of a few embassy bombings and sieges, it wasn't really till that fateful day that the US was shown to be just as vulnerable as everyone else when it comes to terrorism, which is why it strikes a chord now.

To be honest, we should actually be asking why this sort of thing hasn't been done already long before (with the exception of games like Syndicate, Mercenaries or Just Cause). There are two sides to every argument, and, while many people could point to the actions of some groups and individuals and call them wrong, there has to be a reason for them to do what they are doing, be it patriotism, belief or just because they are anarchists or radical eco-watchdogs. Knowing why your enemy is doing what they are doing is only part of it, actually getting to understand it through their eyes will add a whole different part to it.
 

KaiRai

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I don't get why the Aussie are flipping out. Have Australia ever had a terrorist attack? :/
 

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Major Tom said:
kommunizt kat said:
I DIDNT SAY IT WAS BANNED I was saying this to reassure that the game wouldnt be banned. Please, dont write a reply without really understanding it. Did I say that it was banned? I said it wouldnt... my exact words were " So I dont think it will get banned..."
Ah.....well, sorry about that. It's just that the automatic response I'm hearing from the majority here is 'lol, Aussie banned MW2!' and it annoys me no end, and I think I let my nerd rage get in the way of seeing what you said.

If a game actually gets refused classification, fine, rag on our outdated videogame classification laws. But the OFLC didn't do anything wrong or inconsistent this time around, I'm not standing for people ragging on us anyway.
I do that a lot too...
 

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The worst part about this is, the SECOND some kid goes on some sort of shooting rampage no matter who it is, where it is, or for whatever reason, Heaven help Infinity Ward if a copy of this game shows up in that kid's bedroom.

There will be NO end to the assault on video games and their "effects on children and violence" after that, and we all know it.

Sometimes I kinda wish people DIDN'T push the envelope. Things are ridiculous as it is right now with Nanny-state politicians trying to "protect" us all from anything that could be potentially "inspire" us to commit random acts of violence.
I understand it has to be done, but man, I'm just sick of the Jack Thompsons of the world and this kind of thing only adds potentially unnecessary fuel to the fire.
 

Ankrian

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further proof the australian government is so out of touch with reality that next they'll be talking about the rising nazi threat in germany.
 

akmarksman

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You know..in the first L4D..you were gunning down "zombies" in the "airport" section of the Dead Air campaign..

Before those people were zombies,they were people..