Molyneux Says Americans Find it Harder to Be Evil

[Artemis923]

Hrrm. Maybe if the NPC's in Fable were worth caring about, I'd find it harder to be evil.

As it is...is it evil to hack up a piece of cardboard? Didn't think so.

 

[Snotnarok]

Can this man ever keep his mouth shut? When you're given such a black and white choice (no pun intended there) it's really hard to care about what you choose. What's the point of being a bastard if that's what's expected? I'm wondering if he's hoping everyone will hop back on Fable 2 to prove him wrong, got news for you Molyenux, I never bothered with your bland adventure sequel.

 

[Gerazzi]

Where does he get these numbers? I get all my fun in these games from being an evil dick with no regard for anyone else.

Exactly, did he do this with gamers in England and Japan and then, you know, regular people in America? I'm disgusted.

 

[TheBarefootBandit]

EDIT: Though I will admit, I find it easier to be a dick in real life than I do in game.
I'm not sure why.

As do I, I know the reason why though.

In real life people usually deserve it. In a game such as Fallout 3, you have to force yourself to be nasty because the good people never deserve it and killing evil people (even when they are pricks) gives you good karma.

All hail being a good samaritan although inFamous screws this up when by being evil you get a better move via upgrades (that sucks especially on the end boss. See the ZP review if you haven't already.).

 

[Joeshie]

I like how all the Europeans are butthurt over these findings.

"NO THAT CAN'T BE TRUE AMERICA IS PURE EVIL. THEY ARE SATAN INCARNATE. ASDOFKPGOAJFPOASJG"

Hilarious.

Also, AMERICA, FUCK YEAH.

...you do realise that song was mocking Americans, right?

Don't let logic get in the way of your post though.

Sure, I realized that it was mocking Americans. But it's the fact that all you Europeans get all red in the face when we use it that makes it worthwhile.

 

[NeutralDrow]

Interestingly enough, Molyneux also claims that people find it hard to be evil in games, "especially Americans." In comparison, European and Japanese gamers are "more liberated," in the sense that they're more accustomed to using fantasy as a vehicle for escapism: "As many as 40% of [Japanese gamers] choose the evil side in the game. In contrast, only 10% of Americans playing the title ended up getting evil, in-game."

He and I have very, very different definitions of "escapism." If I want to make myself feel good, I don't go around randomly slaughtering puppies, in fiction or in reality.

I don't consider evil to be cathartic, I consider it to be a horror. I'm occasionally willing to be an ass in games, but I never choose to be evil.

 

[Random Argument Man]

Woa Woa Woa, rewind things back at the original Fable. Yes, before Lost Chapters. Do you remember the ending?

You had the choices of destroying the big bad evil sword or use it and become a god! Now think about it, you have the choice to continue playing your character with the same boring gear, or you have the choice to murder every man or woman in your way.

I'd rather choose the big bad evil ending and murder those insects that dared to utter the lines "Chicken Chaser? You chase chickens? HAHAHAHA". It feels like the perfect revenge plot!

Did Peter Molyneux thought about that?

 

[paragon1]

Don't most people just play through as the opposite of their first character the second time through?

 

[paragon1]

Because we Americans are just better people. That's why we dropped the nukes.

Sorry, just felt the need to fix that.

 

[Laxman9292]

This cant be true... has he been engaged in conversation with a Republican American on CoD4? They say some pretty evil things, I mean come on! Who whispers "I am gonna rape you, oh I'm gonna rape you!" down the mic? Thats just disturbing.

republican? american? shit why bother. just say have you heard what anyone says on call of duty. i find it hard to believe that you make a point of asking your raper if he is american or a republican.

He had a deep south American accent and held racist views regarding their President... Republican American. And I didnt say he said those things to me, it was in game discussion. He was talking to all of the guys who kept hunting him down because of his ignorant statements.

thats beside the point that anon allows people to say whatever they want. like i said most people will act like assholes online at least once just because they can. this case in particular just sounds like he is conforming to a stereotype just for shits and giggs, much like the 10 year old who acts gangstaaa.

That doesnt make anything he did better, he was still the bad guy in this scenario... he deserved to get absolutely owned by everyone and he was on MY team! Also those kids are annoying too.

oh indisputably. but that doesnt mean that just because he was the bad guy he was republican american or that you should take what he says on faith

 

[Guitarmasterx7]

Bull shit! When i heard all those lame old timey british accents i literally ran around bourstone murdering everyone yelling "USA! USA!" and after i got the abe lincoln hat i ran around as honest abe in a story that will be recorded in history as "FOUR SCORE AND SEVEN ASSWOOPINGS AGO"

 

[SonicSoulstrike96]

What can I say, I hate feeling like an ass. On some days it's fun to mess with the morality system in a game like that, but that's only some days.

 

[Kinguendo]

This cant be true... has he been engaged in conversation with a Republican American on CoD4? They say some pretty evil things, I mean come on! Who whispers "I am gonna rape you, oh I'm gonna rape you!" down the mic? Thats just disturbing.

republican? american? shit why bother. just say have you heard what anyone says on call of duty. i find it hard to believe that you make a point of asking your raper if he is american or a republican.

He had a deep south American accent and held racist views regarding their President... Republican American. And I didnt say he said those things to me, it was in game discussion. He was talking to all of the guys who kept hunting him down because of his ignorant statements.

thats beside the point that anon allows people to say whatever they want. like i said most people will act like assholes online at least once just because they can. this case in particular just sounds like he is conforming to a stereotype just for shits and giggs, much like the 10 year old who acts gangstaaa.

That doesnt make anything he did better, he was still the bad guy in this scenario... he deserved to get absolutely owned by everyone and he was on MY team! Also those kids are annoying too.

oh indisputably. but that doesnt mean that just because he was the bad guy he was republican american or that you should take what he says on faith

Well, when I bad rep'd him it said he was from America and why would a democrat say racist things about thier President? And why shouldnt I take what he said on faith? Why would he pretend to be racist by being racist? Its not cool to be racist.

 

[samsonguy920]

I find it quite humorous to find people leaping forward to defend being evil in their games in these posts. I also agree that Molyneux is smoking some good shit, and needs to share the shit. [small]I also like pie.[/small]
I don't represent America, I just live here. But I do play evil in games. Does not make me a statistic, as I have never been polled. I don't do polls or surveys if I can help it, as the details never come out as intended, will get skewed, or even edited.
[small]and I would save the dog[/small]

 

[Streetfighter]

It was impossible to end up evil in Fable 1 anyway, since you got good karma simply by killing bandits and monsters, the most common enemies in the game. I would have only given out good karma for things you had to go out of your way for, like hiking across the map JUST to rescue some little girl from a cave, without an enemy to fight, so it didn't involve levelling in any way.

 

[Laxman9292]

Well, when I bad rep'd him it said he was from America and why would a democrat say racist things about thier President? And why shouldnt I take what he said on faith? Why would he pretend to be racist by being racist? Its not cool to be racist.

not all democrats necessarily voted for obama. im just saying that due to the anonymity provided online you cant be sure of anything.

 

[ReverseEngineered]

(Disclosure: I'm Canadian.)

I find it hard to be evil in games, not so much because I don't like being evil (though I have a natural tendency for good), but because games with "moral choice" often make it difficult to be evil.

Part of this comes from the fact that 90% of the world is inherently good, while the other 10% doesn't care if you are good or evil, it's still going to bite your legs off. Additionally, good people don't like evil people, and their reaction will vary from running away screaming to trying to kill you in an ironic display of holy vengence.

The result is that being evil usually locks you out of very necessary things (like buying stuff at the local market), while it doesn't give you any benefit elsewhere (you still have to kill the imps that jump out at you ever 10 feet).

So really, being evil just makes the game harder. And if there's one thing I've learned about Americans (well, people in general, but Americans especially), it's that they like things easy.

 

[deadly.by.design]

It's because we're rewarded for going all-out Demon or Saint. Most people don't want to be either.