Mom just got you an iPhone for Christmas!
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What's wrong with the list? It's just common sense extended to the possession of Apple's cash cow. Maybe I'm just a jaded and cynical 17-year-old, but that's how I'd use/have used an iPhone. Sure, it's a fair bit on the "controlling" end of the spectrum, but I'm assuming that they're more guidelines than closely-enforced rules.R.Nevermore said:
I have a beef with number 13, you won't remember everything for eternity, and photos serve as great conversation pieces. So, in fact, provide real life benefits, and are useful to have.
I'm an adult with a good job. I own an iPhone. I make my own rules.
I'm an adult with a good job. I own an iPhone. I make my own rules.
and thus i would throw the phone at my mother and say im moveing out if you have a problem with that talk to my lawyer(have an IQ of about 180 so this may not be the best case for anyone else
Edit sorry to all those who tried to correct me on the IQ score, it seems while i was trying to show how smart i was i just showed that smart people can do really dumb things
Edit sorry to all those who tried to correct me on the IQ score, it seems while i was trying to show how smart i was i just showed that smart people can do really dumb things
A thousand times this.Screamarie said:
I agree with you, other people in this thread are sounding a lot like spoiled teenagers at this point in time. I would hope i'd take an approach like this with my future children.
As a jaded and cynical 14 year old,I agree with you completely.deathbydeath said:
This'll prevent the little bastard from turning into the facebook obsessed,constantly texting brain dead cretin which is all becoming too common with people my age.I resist the urge to laugh out loud every time somebody is dressed in the what seems to be popular ''yolo teen swag style'' and beat them with a dictionary when I hear them speak or go near something which requires writing.(/mini rant)
It may seem a little too harsh,rule number one needs to go,let the kid be responsible for the phone completely.
Then again,I don't see much faith in this contract,he's bound to break it and his mother's probably gonna forget about it in a certain period of time,it may not be a short amount of time,but it'll happen.
Owning Apple products is against my religion, so regardless of the rules, I would not take it.
Most of the actual rules seem O.K., (minus the silence vs. always having to pick it up contradiction someone pointed out). The only one I'd really be bothered by is handing it over every day and getting it every morning, but it's not like it's the end of the world. Some of the advice is...a little much, but whatever. If Apples products were not the bane of my existence, and I did not have any other phone, I'd probably be okay with it.
Most of the actual rules seem O.K., (minus the silence vs. always having to pick it up contradiction someone pointed out). The only one I'd really be bothered by is handing it over every day and getting it every morning, but it's not like it's the end of the world. Some of the advice is...a little much, but whatever. If Apples products were not the bane of my existence, and I did not have any other phone, I'd probably be okay with it.
And*ecoho said:and thus i would throw the phone at my mother and say im moveing out if you have a problem with that talk to my lawyer(have an IQ of about 280 so this may not be the best case for anyone else
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OT: I don't even use most of those features on my phone and I think that's strict.
Granted, at the age of thirteen I didn't really have a lot of people to text anyway, but losing the phone at 7:30 every weeknight? Yikes. I wonder if the rules for using the computer are as harsh?
When I was younger (don't ask for the exact age, I can't recall that), my dad did something similar for the computer, oh the memories
With my first cellphone, he didn't bother to, but that was before they had colour screens.
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Well, I would not buy a 13 year old an iPhone in the first place. Maybe an iPod Touch and a contract free, relativly meh phone, or one of last years many Androids that are still totally usable and really good phones. But just an iPhone, the fragile thing it is for a 13 year old, nyeh.
Also the rule of not-taking-it-to-school and stuff is relativly weird too. What does one need a phone for? Talking on the go. You know where the phone does not serve any purpose? At home, with me being somewhere else.
Also I would not get my child a contracted phone, just incase he gets into the mood, calls weird hotlines and racks up a huge bill with that. Pre-paid is the way to go for younger people.
Maybe it is just me speaking as somebody who is so used to have constant access to messages, the phone, and the internet by now that he can't think outside the norm anymore.
With my first cellphone, he didn't bother to, but that was before they had colour screens.
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Well, I would not buy a 13 year old an iPhone in the first place. Maybe an iPod Touch and a contract free, relativly meh phone, or one of last years many Androids that are still totally usable and really good phones. But just an iPhone, the fragile thing it is for a 13 year old, nyeh.
Also the rule of not-taking-it-to-school and stuff is relativly weird too. What does one need a phone for? Talking on the go. You know where the phone does not serve any purpose? At home, with me being somewhere else.
Also I would not get my child a contracted phone, just incase he gets into the mood, calls weird hotlines and racks up a huge bill with that. Pre-paid is the way to go for younger people.
Maybe it is just me speaking as somebody who is so used to have constant access to messages, the phone, and the internet by now that he can't think outside the norm anymore.
1. It is my phone. I bought it. I pay for it. I am loaning it to you. Aren't I the greatest?
Fair enough.
2. I will always know the password.
I have always had a problem with rules like this.
You should pay attention on what your kids are doing, sure, but outright spying on them?
That's just wrong.
3. If it rings, answer it. It is a phone. Say hello, use your manners. Do not ever ignore a phone call if the screen reads "Mom" or "Dad." Not ever.
I think this is fine.
My oldest son has a phone (he's 6) that he has with him when he's outside playing so that I can reach him/he can reach me if something comes up.
Expecting him to answer the phone is fair.
4. Hand the phone to one of your parents promptly at 7:30 p.m. every school night and every weekend night at 9:00 p.m. It will be shut off for the night and turned on again at 7:30 a.m. If you would not make a call to someone's land line, wherein their parents may answer first, then do not call or text. Listen to those instincts and respect other families like we would like to be respected.
A little badly formulated, but I think maybe she means that you should not be calling after 19.30, which is fine I guess, if a little excessive.
Handing in the phone seems over the top though.
5. It does not go to school with you. Have a conversation with the people you text in person. It's a life skill. *Half days, field trips and after school activities will require special consideration.
First part is fine, phones do not go to school.
Second part is, well, bullshit. Texting people usually mean that they are not currently present, thus making conversation face to face nigh impossible.
6. If it falls into the toilet, smashes on the ground, or vanishes into thin air, you are responsible for the replacement costs or repairs. Mow a lawn, babysit, stash some birthday money. It will happen, you should be prepared.
How very nice of her.
You should teach your kids responsibility, but this seems a little over the top.
Making them do something for it is great, but shouldering the entire financial burden seems a little too much to me.
7. Do not use this technology to lie, fool, or deceive another human being. Do not involve yourself in conversations that are hurtful to others. Be a good friend first or stay the hell out of the crossfire.
But doing that face to face is ok?
8. Do not text, email, or say anything through this device you would not say in person.
Fair enough.
9. Do not text, email, or say anything to someone that you would not say out loud with their parents in the room. Censor yourself.
I call bullshit here.
When you are growing up there will always be things you say to your friends that you do not want their parents listening in on.
Let the kids keep their little secrets.
10. No porn. Search the web for information you would openly share with me. If you have a question about anything, ask a person -- preferably me or your father.
Another American afraid of porn and/or sex, what a surprise.
11. Turn it off, silence it, put it away in public. Especially in a restaurant, at the movies, or while speaking with another human being. You are not a rude person; do not allow the iPhone to change that.
Wouldn't that violate rule number 3?
Having the phone on silenced when at a restaurant or movies is fine though.
12. Do not send or receive pictures of your private parts or anyone else's private parts. Don't laugh. Someday you will be tempted to do this despite your high intelligence. It is risky and could ruin your teenage/college/adult life. It is always a bad idea. Cyberspace is vast and more powerful than you. And it is hard to make anything of this magnitude disappear -- including a bad reputation.
Fine.
13. Don't take a zillion pictures and videos. There is no need to document everything. Live your experiences. They will be stored in your memory for eternity.
God forbid he should have pictures and videos of him and his friends!
Also, your memory does not work like that and is somewhat fragile.
14. Leave your phone home sometimes and feel safe and secure in that decision. It is not alive or an extension of you. Learn to live without it. Be bigger and more powerful than FOMO (fear of missing out).
That is fine.
15. Download music that is new or classic or different than the millions of your peers that listen to the same exact stuff. Your generation has access to music like never before in history. Take advantage of that gift. Expand your horizons.
Good advice, but that is all it is.
You cannot make him listen only to music you approve of.
16. Play a game with words or puzzles or brain teasers every now and then.
Good advice.
17. Keep your eyes up. See the world happening around you. Stare out a window. Listen to the birds. Take a walk. Talk to a stranger. Wonder without googling.
First parts are fine.
That last one strikes me as odd though, unless he is wondering about philosophical questions.
18. You will mess up. I will take away your phone. We will sit down and talk about it. We will start over again. You and I, we are always learning. I am on your team. We are in this together.
Good to know he will have more that one chance.
It is possible to pay attention to your children without spying on them and burdening them with excessive rules and regulations.
He has his own phone, uses youtube and plays on a playstation 3.
Much to my surprise he does not need 3 pages of instructions, rules and regulations to do this without harming himself.
We all have and they always will, it's part of growing up.
Fair enough.
2. I will always know the password.
I have always had a problem with rules like this.
You should pay attention on what your kids are doing, sure, but outright spying on them?
That's just wrong.
3. If it rings, answer it. It is a phone. Say hello, use your manners. Do not ever ignore a phone call if the screen reads "Mom" or "Dad." Not ever.
I think this is fine.
My oldest son has a phone (he's 6) that he has with him when he's outside playing so that I can reach him/he can reach me if something comes up.
Expecting him to answer the phone is fair.
4. Hand the phone to one of your parents promptly at 7:30 p.m. every school night and every weekend night at 9:00 p.m. It will be shut off for the night and turned on again at 7:30 a.m. If you would not make a call to someone's land line, wherein their parents may answer first, then do not call or text. Listen to those instincts and respect other families like we would like to be respected.
A little badly formulated, but I think maybe she means that you should not be calling after 19.30, which is fine I guess, if a little excessive.
Handing in the phone seems over the top though.
5. It does not go to school with you. Have a conversation with the people you text in person. It's a life skill. *Half days, field trips and after school activities will require special consideration.
First part is fine, phones do not go to school.
Second part is, well, bullshit. Texting people usually mean that they are not currently present, thus making conversation face to face nigh impossible.
6. If it falls into the toilet, smashes on the ground, or vanishes into thin air, you are responsible for the replacement costs or repairs. Mow a lawn, babysit, stash some birthday money. It will happen, you should be prepared.
How very nice of her.
You should teach your kids responsibility, but this seems a little over the top.
Making them do something for it is great, but shouldering the entire financial burden seems a little too much to me.
7. Do not use this technology to lie, fool, or deceive another human being. Do not involve yourself in conversations that are hurtful to others. Be a good friend first or stay the hell out of the crossfire.
But doing that face to face is ok?
8. Do not text, email, or say anything through this device you would not say in person.
Fair enough.
9. Do not text, email, or say anything to someone that you would not say out loud with their parents in the room. Censor yourself.
I call bullshit here.
When you are growing up there will always be things you say to your friends that you do not want their parents listening in on.
Let the kids keep their little secrets.
10. No porn. Search the web for information you would openly share with me. If you have a question about anything, ask a person -- preferably me or your father.
Another American afraid of porn and/or sex, what a surprise.
11. Turn it off, silence it, put it away in public. Especially in a restaurant, at the movies, or while speaking with another human being. You are not a rude person; do not allow the iPhone to change that.
Wouldn't that violate rule number 3?
Having the phone on silenced when at a restaurant or movies is fine though.
12. Do not send or receive pictures of your private parts or anyone else's private parts. Don't laugh. Someday you will be tempted to do this despite your high intelligence. It is risky and could ruin your teenage/college/adult life. It is always a bad idea. Cyberspace is vast and more powerful than you. And it is hard to make anything of this magnitude disappear -- including a bad reputation.
Fine.
13. Don't take a zillion pictures and videos. There is no need to document everything. Live your experiences. They will be stored in your memory for eternity.
God forbid he should have pictures and videos of him and his friends!
Also, your memory does not work like that and is somewhat fragile.
14. Leave your phone home sometimes and feel safe and secure in that decision. It is not alive or an extension of you. Learn to live without it. Be bigger and more powerful than FOMO (fear of missing out).
That is fine.
15. Download music that is new or classic or different than the millions of your peers that listen to the same exact stuff. Your generation has access to music like never before in history. Take advantage of that gift. Expand your horizons.
Good advice, but that is all it is.
You cannot make him listen only to music you approve of.
16. Play a game with words or puzzles or brain teasers every now and then.
Good advice.
17. Keep your eyes up. See the world happening around you. Stare out a window. Listen to the birds. Take a walk. Talk to a stranger. Wonder without googling.
First parts are fine.
That last one strikes me as odd though, unless he is wondering about philosophical questions.
18. You will mess up. I will take away your phone. We will sit down and talk about it. We will start over again. You and I, we are always learning. I am on your team. We are in this together.
Good to know he will have more that one chance.
There is middle ground here though.Screamarie said:
It is possible to pay attention to your children without spying on them and burdening them with excessive rules and regulations.
My oldest child is 6 1/2.Screamarie said:
He has his own phone, uses youtube and plays on a playstation 3.
Much to my surprise he does not need 3 pages of instructions, rules and regulations to do this without harming himself.
Yes, children will fuck up.Screamarie said:
We all have and they always will, it's part of growing up.
Why would she have to pay for a $500 phone for 3+ years?Screamarie said:
Some of these rules seem kind of stupid, the whole point of a cellphone (smart or otherwise) is so you can contact someone without use of a land line. Just seems kind of stupid paying for a expensive iPhone when it is going to live in a drawer turned off for most of its life. Plus the kid is forbidden from using most of what makes it a smart phone anyway so they should of just got him a basic top up credit phone for like £15.
Eh, nothing inherently wrong with what she's trying to do, but she may want to reconsider some of the rules. Others have already pointed out that they're a bit contradictory or straight up unfair, so there's really no need to go over that again.
Frankly I wanna know what happens when the kid eventually finds himself in a loophole situation and tries to point out what it's not really his fault.
Frankly I wanna know what happens when the kid eventually finds himself in a loophole situation and tries to point out what it's not really his fault.
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No, I actually read it. Its not so bad. There is a greater chance when parents control they children that they will grow up to be actual people rather than hell spawn even if they dont like it. My parents never really forced anything on me and I was spoiled brat, only thing that saved me was self reflection but I still ended up being lazy ass sloth.
Only point that looks wierd to me is 15. I would understand worried mother restricting access to some games or movies because they are violent or something but pop music? Thats wierd.
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No, I actually read it. Its not so bad. There is a greater chance when parents control they children that they will grow up to be actual people rather than hell spawn even if they dont like it. My parents never really forced anything on me and I was spoiled brat, only thing that saved me was self reflection but I still ended up being lazy ass sloth.
Only point that looks wierd to me is 15. I would understand worried mother restricting access to some games or movies because they are violent or something but pop music? Thats wierd.
Aside from it not really being a "gift" if it's still hers, and I'd replace "We know the password at all times" with "you will unlock your phone if I request it", I don't actually see any big problems here that can't be contextualized.
That said, man, some people here have major parent issues. What, do you think that your parents SHOULDN'T put rules and restrictions that actually mean something in place? Are you feeling threatened by proxy because someone has a stricter ruleset than you had to work with?
Ye Gods, I can only imagine your faces if you knew what ruleset one of my friends grew up with...
That said, man, some people here have major parent issues. What, do you think that your parents SHOULDN'T put rules and restrictions that actually mean something in place? Are you feeling threatened by proxy because someone has a stricter ruleset than you had to work with?
Ye Gods, I can only imagine your faces if you knew what ruleset one of my friends grew up with...
I agree, though I would add that while taking and keeping the photos for your self is fine. For the love of all things dear and fluffy then don't upload every single one to twitter/facebook/bloger/etc...Girl With One Eye said:
Anyway I wouldn't want an iPhone even if it were free.
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Hey hows it going? It's been a while. You have a good Christmas and new year?