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Shru1kan

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Alright, kind of ranty and ragey.

Tonight, I got rather pissed off with my parents. I'm 18, attending community college, and recently got engaged. Now every year, we have a family reunion. Its 4 hours away, and my family wanted to invite my fiancee (they think shes my GF to avoid confrontation with her parents, been about 6 months and we got engaged at month 5.5) I sure as hell didnt want her in a hotel room with my family. And I wouldn't ask my cousins if she could crash there with me (they're all religious, so shed have to sleep far away from me), because they're strangers to each other.

So, to avoid awkwardness, I decided to ask if I could split the cost of a room with her, and just crash with her. (Literally crash, only time in hotel is like from 11PM till 6AM before we get back up) A grand total of 3 nights. We don't sleep with each other, ever, but we do have sex, which my parents are aware of.

Despite the rest of my family being of a religious persuasion, my immediate family is not religious at all. I get along with all of them, even if I do resent them dragging me to church and trying to convert me each year.

My parents said no, and were completely adamant. They KNOW we have sex, but they wont let us share a bed. The reason? GOD WONT APPROVE. Completely out of left field. I was rather shocked. I argued, saying that I was raised in a setting that let me make my own moral compass, not one that spewed out memorization of a book. I am a good person. I respected all of my parent's beliefs (maybe questioned, but never disobeyed outright) for 18 solid years. I have a job, a car, and I am basically living at home for convenience. And my mom doesn't want to let me go till after community college is over, really.

All I wanted was 3 nights where we went by a belief shared by me, an atheist, and my girlfriend, a presbyterian. That sleeping together strictly in the sharing of a bed sense is okay, that we just don't want to feel so fucking lonely every night. Even if it is just a few nights. They go into what the extended family would think (and ignored the fact that they didn't have to fucking announce it), and said I would be basically disowned. I love my family, and because of this god bullshit they would shun me for an innocent act of finding comfort in my fiancee's warmth. When my fiancee met my uncle at his house, he pulled me aside and told me blatantly that we needed to keep it christian in his house, like I would fucking make out with her in front of all of my cousins from in town. He even met her at my house with family members there too, and I didn't do a single thing unseemly or unchristian.

Suddenly I go from respecting religion but politely declining it to hating it with such an intense passion that I would go back in time and burn every holy book right now if I could. I loved the uncle who took me aside before that, we were both rather sarcastic with each other and I always found him hilarious. Now I know that my family is brainwashed beyond repair, that it is unacceptable for me to share a room that I would be forced to pay half of either way or she can't even go. My beliefs are shit, because Jesus says so, basically. I borderline hate them all. My fiancee is the sweetest girl I know,, and my mom and dad would agree. That stops when the claws come out from my family, they just join them.


So... discussion. Am I in the right? I think that if we have to pay for the room, we get a say in how it is used. I mean, I'm not going for the first time in all of my life because of this utter shit. Any similar experiences where someone shitstomps your beliefs for no good reason?
 

InnerRebellion

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I have to say you're right. My mum, a devout Roman-Catholic, gets that I don't give a damn about her God and I'm not going to do something because it's what God says is right.

My dad is a Taoist, and he doesn't care.
 

Benmonkey7

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I'm also atheist, and I'm ok with people who aren't as long as they don't do things like that and force their religion on me. It's very annoying and just totally wrong, so I think what your parents did was wrong. You're also 18 and legally an adult so you should be able to do what you want, especially share a bed with your fiance.
 

Berethond

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Erm...

Sounds like you should calm down a little, dude. Seriously. It sounds like they just wanted you to be mad at them, rather than have to face the disapproval of the rest of your family for three days.
 

Schwerganoik

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I lied about everything that I did when I was still living with my parents. Unfortunately, it made things simpler in my household.

EDIT: The moral of this story is that I would have nailed her in the hotel room and then tell my parents that nohing happened. That way, everyone's happy.
 

Shru1kan

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Berethond said:
Erm...

Sounds like you should calm down a little, dude. Seriously. It sounds like they just wanted you to be mad at them, rather than have to face the disapproval of the rest of your family for three days.

The point remains that they invited her, so its not my idea (granted, I was going to ask them soon, but I never once said a word). I wasn't going to have her sleep alone in a stranger's house, or be crammed in with the rest of my family, leaving me on the floor to sleep. They insisted that we both pay for a room, but then have no say in how we would use our newly bought room. I asked why, and the bullshit spewed forth.

Besides, if they really do completely change their attitude towards me because of something that really isn't their business, I don't have any urge to call them family anyways.



However, I do grant that I may be a lot more calm in the morning, and I did strongly word some stuff, but my principles remain.
 

Paksenarrion

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Why not just lie and say you slept in separate beds? I'm not quite seeing how this would be a big deal.
 

Ipsen

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Qweeell, since your family takes such a hardline stance, why not take one yourself? You're an adult now; you can sever all ties with your family, should you be convicted, willing and prepared enough for it. Or, you can respect your family's wishes and leave things how they are (or worse) and accept your family's generosity in what they give you (From what I can see, a place to live).

Both of these options are pretty extreme, and Im 99.9% sure you dont want the latter option.
But you have the beginnings of your own family, which you and your mate take responsibility for, no matter how your family treats you.
Integrate or separate.
 

Jezzascmezza

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Nothing that dramatic has ever happened to me, but I too share your confusion and occasional hatred of the ridiculous beliefs certain religions shove down their follower's throats.
 

Angry Caterpillar

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Sounds like they overreacted, then you overreacted, now you're posting this on a forum, and I'd bet that if this were a bad sitcom I could find them posting this from their point of view on some Christian forum.

But it's not, and I only see your overly-ragey response, and how you explained what they said was very vague so I'm going to go ahead and say that they're your family, so try to make up.
Get over yourself, you sound like a child who's stomping off the playground because the teacher wouldn't let you use your shovel to throw sand on Tommy. They're your family. You take the good with the bad, it's how it goes, and they treat you likewise. They disapprove of you sleeping in the same bed as your fiancee. Okay. You can:

  A) Respect their beliefs. They're your family, you love them, it's all good.
  B) Lie. They don't need to know what you do, so don't tell them.
  C) Be out with it. They'll be disappointed, but they should come around.
  D) Be a little ***** and don't go. How dare they think differently!

I dare you to try to explain to me how you expect them to respect your own beliefs when you act like this. I see people ***** about how their OMFGWTFCHRIST parents don't respect them as atheists all the fucking time, but I can't blame them considering how said people act half the time; especially when they're just as intolerant. Try looking at it from their point of view before you go and ***** to the whole world on a forum, looking like a dick in the process.
 

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Shru1kan said:
It's times like this I'm glad my parents stopped paying attention to me at the age of two. No religion or values to have forced upon me.

OT: I think you should fly the coop on this one. If your family doesn't want to respect your ideals, beliefs, or desires for companionship then maybe it's time to GET OUT [http://images.encyclopediadramatica.com/images/0/00/2na5gcp.gif].

Your family needs to realize that each generation separates from the one before it to advance itself. If society continued to follow the values and traditions of those before it then society would never advance. It's because new generations decided to separate from its elders that we now have things like civil rights and women's suffrage in a majority of developed nations. If your family can't see that... well... tough shit.
 

GudangGaram

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Shru1kan said:
Alright, kind of ranty and ragey.

Tonight, I got rather pissed off with my parents. I'm 18, attending community college, and recently got engaged. Now every year, we have a family reunion. Its 4 hours away, and my family wanted to invite my fiancee (they think shes my GF to avoid confrontation with her parents, been about 6 months and we got engaged at month 5.5) I sure as hell didnt want her in a hotel room with my family. And I wouldn't ask my cousins if she could crash there with me (they're all religious, so shed have to sleep far away from me), because they're strangers to each other.
So... discussion. Am I in the right? I think that if we have to pay for the room, we get a say in how it is used. I mean, I'm not going for the first time in all of my life because of this utter shit. Any similar experiences where someone shitstomps your beliefs for no good reason?
It might be my complete lack of empathy, but in what way is this a moral issue. Even besides the point whether or not a, or your moral should or could be the same as of another. Let me completely rephrase that. What's the issue? You have sex, parents think it's ok. Family wants to meet your fiancée, alright, under YOUR terms, and if not, then that's their problem, because those were the terms you would agree on.

But, and not to say that age is everything, you are 18, and you might not (yet) have developed this sense that most people in the world (are idiots and bastards and also) want you to do things their way, and that you should do your own thing (after all, it IS your life).

And yes, you are also right. If you pay for the room you have the right to do whatever you want in it (like, say, share a bed in which you will be probably be too depressed to have sex in). However, if they pay for it, they could have a say in it, legally and socially. The latter could be avoided by coming to terms beforehand.

Wait, you got engaged. And still you can't share beds? What's this marriage thing? Holy? Sorry bad bad joke. But, you've both shown commitment to one another. Now they must show sense (I would call it common sense, but it might not be that common).
 

Colour Scientist

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You're probably going to get over this soon.

If you're seriously engaged, and it's not just infatuation, then you have the rest of your life to sleep in the same bed as her. I don't see why three nights would matter for the sake of your family's beliefs.
 

CobraX

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Wow, your family are religious nuts, No offense. Glad my family ain't as off the wall with religion as your's is. Sorry Dude, hope it works out in then end. Oh and yes, you are in the right.
 

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InnerRebellion said:
I have to say you're right. My mum, a devout Roman-Catholic, gets that I don't give a damn about her God and I'm not going to do something because it's what God says is right.

My dad is a Taoist, and he doesn't care.
Woah, woah, woah. Your mom doesn't seem to be a devout Roman-Catholic if she had you with a Taoist.

I mean, usually these types stay on their side of the fence, if you get me. Obviously unless he converted to Taoism later as is popular, it being one of those trendy mystical eastern religions (I say condescendingly as though I know the right religious/philosophical views to hold).

I mean, I guess it's not against her religion to be tolerant of her husband(lover?)'s religion, but it is kinda implied that she would be up in arms about that kind of thing, hell and ritual conversion being such a big part of that particular sect of Christianity. I mean, it just feels like if she were a true Roman-Catholic, she'd be quite distraught with your dad's (and your own) situation.

Personally, I don't like to put labels around something as profound and awesome as spiritual/philosophical ideas. Can't you mesh two religions or schools of thought together? Does that need a name? To me, it's like a deep metaphor. If you have to explain it so meticulously, it loses everything that makes it great.