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Inosaku

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For as long as I have been self aware Ive always been a very cautious person and I rarely did stupid things (at least more than once).

It's kind of cold but it makes sense in a way. As a smart parent though it's a persons job to teach their kids too. At least keep them alive long enough for them to make their own mistakes.
 

soulsabr

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So you want people to die just because they were ignorant of dangers or just didn't know any better at the time?
That's fucking horrible!
Look, if you need to be warned that stopping a chainsaw blade with your crotch will have a negative impact on your well being then you probably need the lesson as well as a Darwin award. If you're doing it just for money then you still probably need the lesson and award.
 

Milo Windby

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Demented Teddy said:
soulsabr said:
Demented Teddy said:
So you want people to die just because they were ignorant of dangers or just didn't know any better at the time?
That's fucking horrible!
Look, if you need to be warned that stopping a chainsaw blade with your crotch will have a negative impact on your well being then you probably need the lesson as well as a Darwin award. If you're doing it just for money then you still probably need the lesson and award.
You're taking this out of context.

I'm talkin about dangers that are less obvious.
How on earth would you know that touching those wires will kill you or drinking the liquids under the sink will kill you unless you were told that they would?!
That's true, there is a reason why kids and babies are some of the pictures on warning labels after all. Kids and babies don't know this stuff... they think "oh, juice!" and then die. Its not because they are stupid or anything, its because they have not been told by the parents not to do this.
 

Plurralbles

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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flynn_effect

I dont' think that society is getting dumber, I think people are starting to be affected by their own feelings of entitlement and, "I'm better than everyone else" and even if they genuinely are above average, the only reason they insult others and see an increase in stupidity is because stupidity is getting much more reported and popularized in media than before. Back in teh day a small town would read about a boy dying of bleach poisoning, but now, a state will read that same story. News is getting disseminated faster and farther and the population is exploding, of course there's going to be MORE but if it's a larger PERCENT is debatable.
 

Wicky_42

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Milo Windby said:
Wicky_42 said:
I think it also depends on where you live as well, I would need to look into Canadian laws about that sort of thing (Honestly, not sure about it) but I know in the US they have a much easier time with that sort of thing... in fact I hear you can just go ahead and shoot if they are trespassing... don't even need to defend your self... "Oh look, someone is stealing mah tv *Bang*"
Hmm, sounds a bit more sane. The whole 'defending your property' thing in the UK has become so risky in legal terms it's probably better to give a burglar a hand out with your TV than to try and stop him - an example of things being taken too far. It was once said that an Englishman's house was his castle, but that's no longer the case. There was another case a while ago when a farmer shot a would-be burglar with his trusty shotgun, inside his own home. He got done for murder as it was considered 'excessive self defence'. Is there such a thing? If the guy's got a knife, can you use one back? If you've got a knife and he doesn't should you throw yours away, or give him one?

Gah, I hate this sort of thing... ending rant now :)
 

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Milo Windby said:
Marter said:
The problem with abolishing many of these laws is that many people will end up killing others because of their stupidity. They are they to protect others just as much as they are there to protect the stupid people.
Thank you, that's exactly what I was thinking to.
This pretty much sums it all up.
 

milskidasith

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First off: Everybody who says that these laws are ruining natural selection doesn't know how natural selection works.

Second off: There are warnings on products for a reason.

Third: Anti suicide/suicidal action laws are as much to protect the people around the person at risk as they are to protect the actual person.
 

Nukey

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I've gotta disagree with you OP.

If danger wasn't pointed out, people would have to experience it for themselves, which would mean hospitals would be experience an influx of patients that could've otherwise been avoided. It isn't stupidity, really, the majority of the time it's just a lack of knowledge regarding said danger.

The truly stupid see a warning and ignore it. >.>
 

Therumancer

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I have no problem with a lot of safety warnings and regulations, like it or not, we've laboured for generations to ensure that the next generation was safer than our own. We're seeing the effects of this now.

By the same token I believe someone can be stupid, and still have other redeeming merits, intelligence only being one trait among many.

On the other hand I do tend to agree that we do wind up putting too much value on human life in a general sense, which prevents a lot of things from getting done. Also more so than the issue of weening out the "Weak" from the gene pool, I think we have a massive overpopulation problem, and that's the root of a lot of our problems.

Truthfully though, I tend to see war as a solution to that problem, which is also connected to solving other issues. I'm also of the opinion that there are so many people out there that we shouldn't be thinking in terms of "pro-choice", and "pro-life", but in terms of making someone's right to have children a privlege rather than a right... at least until the population substantially lowers itself. I'm less concerned about idiots doing obviously dumb things than cases like the so called "Octomom" who has a ton of kids, and was taking fertility drugs and dropped a mind boggling litter on top of what was already out there. This to say nothing of the entire "Freak of the week" crowd, with welfare mothers who have like six kids all by differant "deadbeat" fathers. Leading to daytime talk shows bringing them out there to play "paternity test roulette" to figure out who the baby daddy of one of the kids actually is.

I remember many years ago where there was a huge outcry against Eugenics because you had a bunch of doctors secretly sterilizing black patients so they couldn't breed. However right now I'm beginning to think that basic idea has a lot of merits, except it should be aimed at any one ethnicity. As long as a fair sized pool of breeders remained a good old fashioned "Children Of Men" type crisis would do some good.
 

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Hey guys, I hate to be the douche of the thread, but while most of you are saying "Natural selection rulezz1111", I'm gonna say this:
With Natural Selection, your ass would be raped, some 6'5 guy would have his way with you and your sister, mother, and female cousin, then decide "Hmmm do I want rape or murder for dinner?". Then his kids would go on with his genes, doing it to your non-existant children, since Natural Selection exists and the biggest guy got the gals.


OT:We need unintelligent people, they simply make people like us feel smart since we can intelligently debate wether they should have been killed off or not :).
 

Blitzkreg

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While there are reasons for these laws, and I can also see why only the stupidest would break them, and therefore they should simply be allowed to from their sheer stupidity, I think these laws serve an important role. Its important to know, sometimes these people aren't always just being stupid, sometimes they are being goaded by terrible parents, or friends, it isn't always that they are being stupid on their own accord. Because of this, I think its important for these laws to stay in place, so that if there is no other authoritative figure in these people's lives, at least the government can try to step in and not let them ruin their own lives. Also, these people have families and loved ones who would be devastated by their deaths.
 

Littlee300

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Darkauthor81 said:
Littlee300 said:
Marik2 said:
Demented Teddy said:
Marik2 said:
Demented Teddy said:
Marik2 said:
Demented Teddy said:
Marik2 said:
Demented Teddy said:
So you want people to die just because they were ignorant of dangers or just didn't know any better at the time?
That's fucking horrible!
Thought someone with your ideals would agree with it. You know let the stupid people die so that your country doesn't have to bother making laws for every little stupid event that happens, like driving without a seat belt.
I refuse to allow people to die just because they were not aware of the dangers!
It's not that they weren't aware that makes them stupid, its because they still make stupid decisions when they know they shouldn't have. Like a guy drinking ammonia when it clearly says do not drink.
So you would sacrifice the people that just didn't know the danger for the sake of getting rid of the idiots who acted knowing full well the dangers?
I'm all for "The End Justifys The Means" but the benifit of the end must out-wiegh the sacrifice of the means.
How can a person not know the danger when it says in the bottle of ammonia.
[HEADING=1] DO NOT DRINK [/HEADING]
Its common sense
A young person who most likely wasn't familier with things like that wouldn't know.
Knowlage is passed down, otherwise it must be tested.
You only know ammonia is not safe to drink because you were told of the dangers of drinking stuff like that!
Well that's what parents and schools are for (mostly parents). And if they still do it then there stupid.
You rather have the parents warn them instead of a label? I rather rely on people who did test not someone who might not even be home.
You need a label to tell you not to drink this stuff? I had to be assured by several of my friends that vinegar is safe to put on and into food because it smelled so bad let alone some cleaner. And since when do children read and respect labels? They HAVE to be taught by their parents. It's a basic lesson. And if it somehow slipped their minds to teach it, then they shouldn't be having children.
No I don't need a label and never said I did but other people may. /:
 

Littlee300

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We need these safety laws to protect other people they hurt if they violate (no drinking and driving and stuff)
 

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Your logic is severely flawed. You are saying that it makes sense to abolish personal safety laws to get rid of all the dumb people. So according to that, any dumb person deserves to die simply because they are not smart enough to stay alive.

How can you justify that kind of thinking? Are you saying that the life of a dumb person is not worth cherrishing solely because the are not smart? That is very cold and unfeeling and I sincerely hope that I have missunderstood you.
 

blarg363

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Okay the seat belt law is going to have to be something that we'll have to agree to disagree upon seeing as how many senarios we could both come up with,

And as for the drunk driver the problem here is he's already made the decision to drive drunk the law can't stop him from driving drunk only punish him afterword, And befor someone mentions it, yes the law probably does stop some from driving drunk but i'm willing to bet that good friends have stoped way more

I won't bother going into how the laws about theft and burglary seeing as how Wicky_42 has already done that

I'm really enjoying the discussion value of this thred ^_^
 

blarg363

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Milo Windby said:
blarg363 said:
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Ok, I have to say I agree to some point... but I also disagree.
Some laws are there for a reason, if some yahoo goes and breaks a law and gets killed so what, eh?
But what if he not only gets himself killed but gets others killed who had nothing to do with that he did?
Making sure these idiots don't do anything stupid is to protect us more then anything.
Would you mind telling us what laws these would be,

With what the OP mentioned if some jackass crashs into me i'll be fine because i always whear my seat belt, and if some guy tweeked out on meth or PCP broke into my house i'm not going to lie and say "i would beat his punk ass down" i'd be less likely to defend my self seeing as how the law would demand that i be able to prove that what ever i did was completely necessary
or face jail time myself,

So as for the topic at hand i would have to agree that there are way to many laws that let the not only stupid but "bad" people survive.

also sorry if it looks like i'm snaping at ya Milo Windby.
Seat belts don't always help though... and what if you were walking on the side walk and you get hit by a drunk?
Also, defending yourself to a judge because someone broke in and threatened you would be easy, no?

All I'm really saying is, Why should we not have these laws? Some of them sound bad, but its whats preventing someone from getting me killed.
Okay the seat belt law is going to have to be something that we'll have to agree to disagree upon seeing as how many senarios we could both come up with,

And as for the drunk driver the problem here is he's already made the decision to drive drunk the law can't stop him from driving drunk only punish him afterword, And befor someone mentions it, yes the law probably does stop some from driving drunk but i'm willing to bet that good friends have stoped way more

I won't bother going into how the laws about theft and burglary seeing as how Wicky_42 has already done that

I'm really enjoying the discussion value of this thred ^_^