flipsalty said:
Therumancer said:
The Russians parachuted in, they didn't land on the shores.
... and how pray tell did they managed to keep all of those planes fueled to pretty much get from one end of the world to another with enough troops to make a differance?
Simply put they would have needed to take over a number of islands and brought in carriers in order to do that, and they still probably would have needed a beach head to boot.
Truthfully I think the Coast Guard alone would have done a massive job on them without one.
From what I've seen of MW2, the entire thing seems to revolve around this ACS system and the idea that with this one mystical device, and a total lack of common sense or additional security, Russia is basically able to disable all of the defenses of the US and somehow magically get troops from one end of the globe to the other without anyone in between here and there noticing, and penetrate all the way to the US Capitol....
Stop and think about this for a second.
They wouldn't be in it alone, of course, but consider that we have an entire branch of the military that uses rather large and heavily armed cutters, and other sea faring craft, combined with helicopters and an aviation division, to patrol the waters around the US. The Coast Guard, acts as police, rescue, and is tasked with Homeland security. Even if one was to argue that our Satellites and such were offline, someone moving these massive clouds of planes which are probably reliant on aircraft carriers close enough to the US to land Paratroopers is *not* going to be unnoticed. Oh sure, in a pitched battle a couple dedicated task forces of the Russian Navy and Airforce would decimate the US Coast Guard... well unless of course they aren't going to bother even hitting the beaches or something dumb like that.. I mean the Coasties aren't intended for that kind of engagement. One thing that they would do is prevent a surprise attack of this sort (which is part of the point) and they could make themselves a bit annoying to deal with while the real military got involved.
Or to put things into perspective, simply using where I live in Connecticut as an example. We have a Coast Guard Academy, and a Naval Submarine base. If something like that happened off our coast line, I sort of think they would talk to each other. There is going to be a fight. The same is probably going to apply to just about any other coastal area/state.
... and that's kind of ridiculous too, because again, I don't think they'd get accross all that ocean unopposed or unseen.
I'm fairly certain that the coast guard is not equipped to shoot down enemy high altitude aircraft. And I'm aware that there is a naval base in New London. How many of those naval ships do you think are outfitted and operational? There are no carrier groups patrolling the northeast corridor, they would either be deployed overseas or the nearest is in Virginia I believe. I also believe you are overestimating the coast guard's presence along the atlantic coast. They patrol within 12 miles of the coast, everything else is international waters where they have no jurisdiction. And as for your concern over the aircraft needing to refuel, I'm not too sure how familiar you are with modern aircraft but a typical Russian midrange cargo plane has a range of 8000km, http://www.military-today.com/aircraft/an_70.html, more than enough to reach the continental United States. How do you think that transatlantic commercial flights work? Do they land on nonexistent islands? How do you think the United States flies troops to the Persian Gulf? This isn't WWII, there aren't troop ships anymore, it's all done in the air.
You are aware of the logistics of moving an invasion force right? It's not a simple matter of moving some civilians from point A to point B. There is a reason why we put Carriers and such in the middle of the Persian Gulf instead of just flying our stuff back and forth accross the ocean. We also need to use tenders constantly to keep these groups operational.
In New London it's not just a Naval Base, it's a Submarine base. All of them are armed and operational. Part of the point of modern subs is that they carry missles and are very capable of intercepting both planes and other missles.
The point of the Coast Guard isn't so much that they could shoot down the Aircraft, but simply that it blows any chance of there being a surprise attack of the sort presented. What's more if the Russians *DID* fly in a bunch of unsupported troops it would be the most lulzworthy and ridiculous military failure in history.
It's like this, let's say they disable the satellite "early warning system" with this magical key of baloney. Some Russian general decides "hey, let's fly a bunch of cargo jets with paratroopers into DC for the ultranationalist lulz". Somehow, these Jets manage to make it past everything between here and there, and somehow nobody notices from allied nations, military bases thata aren't in the US, patrolling subs, air patrols, and whatever else. When they arrive, your Paratroopers are going to have no ammo resupply, resources, timely reinforcements, or anything else. They are going to be cut to ribbons no matter how many
are sent. Forget military response, they are going to have their hands full just with the DC Police, FBI, and armed civilians (and the military/national guard WOULD respond). I mean they aren't going to have the numbers, they aren't going to have the munitions, and they aren't going to have the support. I mean I'm sure it would be a big deal, but it would fall more under the "The Russians are flaming stupid" than any real bonafide threat to the US.
But honestly, they aren't going to get that far.
The point here being that Modern Warfare 2's plot is inherantly garbage. Now that doesn't mean it's not entertaining if you put your brain into neutral and just go with it. I mean heck, it worked for "Invasion USA". But the subject here is ridiculous plot holes.
Getting past the entire issue of the troops themselves getting here undetected and being a viable threat, the basic premise of there being a single magical method of disabiling the entire US "early warning system" (satellites, etc..) is also fundementally ridiculous in of itself. There is a plothole before you even get to the issue as to whether the Russians could somehow land an invasion force directly in DC and do anything besides realize how dumb it was before they died.
