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The Lizard of Odd

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My brother has studied Ninjitsu for years...and there's very little about it that's showy or 'sneak around ninjar' crap. It's to the point, and what's more...it usually makes you look like the victim still, even after your assailant is laying on the ground moaning. Ninjitsu is all about surviving any situation and making sure whoever attacked you doesn't come back for more.
Definitely plan on studying it as soon as I have that kind of money.
 

WestMountain

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Krav Maga is awesome just too bad it have become a girl martial art :p

Muay Thai or boxing is the best to have in a street fight or if someone attack you because then it all matters to make 1 succesful hit to the guys face, or you could just go with an elbow or a groin kick like they do in Krav Maga but that's cheap :p
 

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Tai Chi, A well balanced system of counter moves and attack reversing throws. (its works especially well when combined with any other martial art)
 

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For all of you people who think grappling styles won't work better then striking for multiple opponents or weapons:

If the people attacking you/stabbing take you to the ground with a STANDARD TACKLE, what are you going to do? And don't give me some nonsense about being immune to it.

A master kung fu expert with little ground training will get the snot kicked out of him by three average joes if one tackles him from behind.
 

maxlurifax

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No, Jiu-Jitsu is the strongest. All other martial arts are inferior.
Ok, but seriously this is gonna be one of those neverending "what martial art is strongest" threads. Let's just hope we won't have an internet tought guy come in this thread any time soon.
 

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Hubilub said:
Chapper said:
Hadoken, followed up with a Falcon Punch!

That'll teach'em.
But those are just moves that are part of a fighting style!

Makes no sense, man! Thou must name the fighting style!

[sub]And don't say "kick-assery or anything similar, for then I shall google your ass[/sub]
I shall say MVGMA (Mixed Video Game Martial Arts).

There, it is baptized.
 

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Kyokushin. Full contact style of karate and designed with parts of Muay Thai as well. Full contact training means that your strong
 

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Vale Tudo. Definitely. You've got all the classic boxing style mixed in with parts of judo and amateur wrestling, meaning you're pretty much prepared for anything.
 

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Did I just go to the wrong bookmark? Could have sworn this was The Escapist, not Bullshido.net...

I've been around martial arts for a while now so I feel I have as much right to say my piece as anyone here. Therefore, at the risk of joining a futile my-art-is-better-than-yours argument (not to mention bruising people's fragile egos) I would like to start by saying that there is no perfect art.

"But what about X? I've been training for y years under Master Z"

No. It's good, but it exists within a specific context and more than likely concentrates on a specific range. If not, you have such an immense curriculum that it takes ages to cover it, much less get good at it (this is he problem I've found with JKD/Kali, especially as there are so many arts added to the basic Jun Fan Gung Fu + Inosanto-Lacoste Blend Kali formula that I doubt any two full instructors in the world have the exact same set of qualifications).

In over a decade of training across 8 different arts (I'm only qualified as an instructor in Inosanto-Lacoste Blend Kali but I continue to train Jun Fan Gung Fu, Muay Thai, Mande Muda Pencak Silat and BJJ with varying degrees of proficiency) there is no "best art", no matter what exponents of varying systems are inclined to tell you.

There are appropriate techniques for different situations. There are attribute building exercises which can increase your ability to perform techniques better. There is the commitment to muscle memory of a group of skills.

Why do I say this and not just toot the horn of the arts which I study or teach? Because I think there are different things which people look for in martial arts and even if you do just want practicality, what does that mean in your life circumstances?

I live in London, in the UK. Gun crime is thankfully low here but there is a continual threat of low-level violence (you are on average 4 times more likely to be attacked in the UK than the US, although statistically the injuries which you are likely to sustain are less serious) and knife crime is still a problem.

I would say for my practical purposes that any art which advocates high kicks is out of the question for practical use because pavements are often wet and slippery and most incidents of attack here involve multiple assailants and occur after drinking.

The same considerations make sections of the Silat or BJJ curricula (as much as I love them and think they're effective styles) impractical in any situation I'm likely to find myself in. Am I going to adopt a harimau stance or take someone into my guard on a wet pavement with his mates crowding round to kick my head in? No. But I might throw them with a puter kapala or an osotogari...

As for Krav Maga, well, I have cross trained with some people who train it (including an ex-IDF guy at my BJJ school) and read some of the books on it (not to mention the countless videos on youtube) and whilst there is some good commonsense stuff there, a lot of the time I've been unconvinced (particularly their ideas about knife defence- trying to keep the person away with your feet whilst protecting your body with the hands sounds good until you realise that you're giving your attacker a clear shot at your femoral artery every time you do it).
I don't mean to dismiss it out of hand- Imi Sde-Or was a tough SOB and he used wrestling and boxing to make a powerful no-holds-barred system. I just think the awe in which people hold it is a little too much. "Wow, it was like, developed by the Israeli Army!" So what? They think air-strikes are a measured way to take out paraplegics.

Ditto Systema. Again, interesting concept, taking Russian Sambo/Judo and mixing with striking and a lot of pressure testing- this is good. The aura of fear and mystique is horseshit. Ultimately if you have a hench guy with good technique and fitness he is going to do well whatever he's trained in. The Spetznaz are no exception.

As for the MMA-is-the-best camp, well, they're half-right. You DO have to take different elements from different styles and make them gel to create something seamless, making sure that you can work in different ranges and reducing your vulnerability to various techniques.
Unfortunately, since about UFC 10 or so, the general rules for MMA forbid so many techniques that what is allowed is very much a sport form. Not to say that it isn't a brutal and dangerous sport- I wouldn't want to fight someone who was doing MMA professionally because they'd be a hell of a lot fitter than me and probably train the techniques they train as many hours in a day as I do in a week. Notice how the MMA circuit is mainly Muay Thai and BJJ? That's because they're sport forms. Eye-gouges, groin strikes and all that other street-practical stuff we love is already banned, so the athletes don't train it or train to protect against it. Nor do they train against weapon attacks- no-one has ever gone into the Octagon with a machete and started cutting bits out of their opponent.

In answer to the question of what the most practical art would be I would have to say that it depends on your circumstances, but you should cover ranges at least from kicking to punching to trapping, standing grappling and ground-fighting. If you live in a place where guns are a likely threat, look at that range too. Shop around. Absorb what is useful and discard what isn't.

Don't be afraid to ask questions (humbly and politely of course) about techniques you've learnt in one class elsewhere when you can get the instructor to yourself. If you're in a good place you may test their patience if you do this a lot, but they should have a thoughtful answer free from pseudo-mystical B.S. If you can never get the instructor to yourself and you walk up and down a hall doing kata all class, seriously reconsider where you've chosen to train.

Right, I'm off to train. Have fun, train hard and don't let ego get in the way of learning.
 

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i gotta say muay thai cause i am a 4 year practitioner of it and love it to death,and brazilian jiu jitsu is the shit for the ground game
 

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Benny Blanco said:
Did I just go to the wrong bookmark? Could have sworn this was The Escapist, not Bullshido.net...

I've been around martial arts for a while now so I feel I have as much right to say my piece as anyone here. Therefore, at the risk of joining a futile my-art-is-better-than-yours argument (not to mention bruising people's fragile egos) I would like to start by saying that there is no perfect art.

"But what about X? I've been training for y years under Master Z"

No. It's good, but it exists within a specific context and more than likely concentrates on a specific range. If not, you have such an immense curriculum that it takes ages to cover it, much less get good at it (this is he problem I've found with JKD/Kali, especially as there are so many arts added to the basic Jun Fan Gung Fu + Inosanto-Lacoste Blend Kali formula that I doubt any two full instructors in the world have the exact same set of qualifications).

In over a decade of training across 8 different arts (I'm only qualified as an instructor in Inosanto-Lacoste Blend Kali but I continue to train Jun Fan Gung Fu, Muay Thai, Mande Muda Pencak Silat and BJJ with varying degrees of proficiency) there is no "best art", no matter what exponents of varying systems are inclined to tell you.

There are appropriate techniques for different situations. There are attribute building exercises which can increase your ability to perform techniques better. There is the commitment to muscle memory of a group of skills.

Why do I say this and not just toot the horn of the arts which I study or teach? Because I think there are different things which people look for in martial arts and even if you do just want practicality, what does that mean in your life circumstances?

I live in London, in the UK. Gun crime is thankfully low here but there is a continual threat of low-level violence (you are on average 4 times more likely to be attacked in the UK than the US, although statistically the injuries which you are likely to sustain are less serious) and knife crime is still a problem.

I would say for my practical purposes that any art which advocates high kicks is out of the question for practical use because pavements are often wet and slippery and most incidents of attack here involve multiple assailants and occur after drinking.

The same considerations make sections of the Silat or BJJ curricula (as much as I love them and think they're effective styles) impractical in any situation I'm likely to find myself in. Am I going to adopt a harimau stance or take someone into my guard on a wet pavement with his mates crowding round to kick my head in? No. But I might throw them with a puter kapala or an osotogari...

As for Krav Maga, well, I have cross trained with some people who train it (including an ex-IDF guy at my BJJ school) and read some of the books on it (not to mention the countless videos on youtube) and whilst there is some good commonsense stuff there, a lot of the time I've been unconvinced (particularly their ideas about knife defence- trying to keep the person away with your feet whilst protecting your body with the hands sounds good until you realise that you're giving your attacker a clear shot at your femoral artery every time you do it).
I don't mean to dismiss it out of hand- Imi Sde-Or was a tough SOB and he used wrestling and boxing to make a powerful no-holds-barred system. I just think the awe in which people hold it is a little too much. "Wow, it was like, developed by the Israeli Army!" So what? They think air-strikes are a measured way to take out paraplegics.

Ditto Systema. Again, interesting concept, taking Russian Sambo/Judo and mixing with striking and a lot of pressure testing- this is good. The aura of fear and mystique is horseshit. Ultimately if you have a hench guy with good technique and fitness he is going to do well whatever he's trained in. The Spetznaz are no exception.

As for the MMA-is-the-best camp, well, they're half-right. You DO have to take different elements from different styles and make them gel to create something seamless, making sure that you can work in different ranges and reducing your vulnerability to various techniques.
Unfortunately, since about UFC 10 or so, the general rules for MMA forbid so many techniques that what is allowed is very much a sport form. Not to say that it isn't a brutal and dangerous sport- I wouldn't want to fight someone who was doing MMA professionally because they'd be a hell of a lot fitter than me and probably train the techniques they train as many hours in a day as I do in a week. Notice how the MMA circuit is mainly Muay Thai and BJJ? That's because they're sport forms. Eye-gouges, groin strikes and all that other street-practical stuff we love is already banned, so the athletes don't train it or train to protect against it. Nor do they train against weapon attacks- no-one has ever gone into the Octagon with a machete and started cutting bits out of their opponent.

In answer to the question of what the most practical art would be I would have to say that it depends on your circumstances, but you should cover ranges at least from kicking to punching to trapping, standing grappling and ground-fighting. If you live in a place where guns are a likely threat, look at that range too. Shop around. Absorb what is useful and discard what isn't.

Don't be afraid to ask questions (humbly and politely of course) about techniques you've learnt in one class elsewhere when you can get the instructor to yourself. If you're in a good place you may test their patience if you do this a lot, but they should have a thoughtful answer free from pseudo-mystical B.S. If you can never get the instructor to yourself and you walk up and down a hall doing kata all class, seriously reconsider where you've chosen to train.

Right, I'm off to train. Have fun, train hard and don't let ego get in the way of learning.
You make some good points. getting real its not about what you do so much as who you train with, how often you train and how you train. As you said Martial arts are muscle memory. There is no replacing drilling techniques and combinations thousands of times.

Likewise I genuinely believe you need to train with full contact. It gets you used to the idea that you are not made of glass as chances are you will get hit in a fight. Pain and impact has to become routine. You also have no idea how tiring fighting can be if your sparring is like shadow boxing. A punch you mean is far more sapping than one you "place" out there.

Finally cross train. I train standing and grappling, you might not get to choose the range. If you don't train from your back it can be soul destroying being pinned and not being able to get up or fight back effectively. If you train where there is cross training you regularly see new guys tap from being pinned, ground and pound or from head squeezes. Its just fear. In a fight hes not going to get off when you tap.

Having said all that there are very few fights that are unavoidable. You normally see a confrontation building long before it becomes a fight. Either leave, calm things down or stop being a dick. Outside you can usually run or leave before it gets to that point. You don't know if hes armed, has friends waiting behind you, drugged up to the point where you would have to kill him to stop him or 5 time UK kickboxing champ. dont risk it.

I train 4 sessions a week in different styles, Have put in over a decade of training and have had 1 fight in the last 15 years. Even that, if I'd not been drunk I probably could have avoided it. I finished it without getting hurt with a guilotine choke. It still ruined my night, we were both escorted out and he got blood and snot all over my shirt.

I'm not going to go into exactly what my job is but I work with high risk offenders. If I can avoid violence most people can.
 

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bjj hero said:
You make some good points. getting real its not about what you do so much as who you train with, how often you train and how you train. As you said Martial arts are muscle memory. There is no replacing drilling techniques and combinations thousands of times.

Likewise I genuinely believe you need to train with full contact. It gets you used to the idea that you are not made of glass as chances are you will get hit in a fight. Pain and impact has to become routine. You also have no idea how tiring fighting can be if your sparring is like shadow boxing. A punch you mean is far more sapping than one you "place" out there.

Finally cross train. I train standing and grappling, you might not get to choose the range. If you don't train from your back it can be soul destroying being pinned and not being able to get up or fight back effectively. If you train where there is cross training you regularly see new guys tap from being pinned, ground and pound or from head squeezes. Its just fear. In a fight hes not going to get off when you tap.

Having said all that there are very few fights that are unavoidable. You normally see a confrontation building long before it becomes a fight. Either leave, calm things down or stop being a dick. Outside you can usually run or leave before it gets to that point. You don't know if hes armed, has friends waiting behind you, drugged up to the point where you would have to kill him to stop him or 5 time UK kickboxing champ. dont risk it.

I train 4 sessions a week in different styles, Have put in over a decade of training and have had 1 fight in the last 15 years. Even that, if I'd not been drunk I probably could have avoided it. I finished it without getting hurt with a guilotine choke. It still ruined my night, we were both escorted out and he got blood and snot all over my shirt.

I'm not going to go into exactly what my job is but I work with high risk offenders. If I can avoid violence most people can.
I'm inclined to agree with most of that, with the qualifier that Full-Contact sparring in striking arts can be off-putting to some people so you have to ease them in gently with things like "survival" drills so they don't just freeze up from being chinned, then go to the level of limited sparring (e.g. body shots only) before just saying fuck it and getting the headguards, 16 oz. gloves, gumshields and shinguards and allowing people to smack each other about. In terms of grappling however, sparring is vital from the get-go: you need to practice technique against resistance or all those lovely tricks you learn are going to come undone fast.

As regards the avoiding fights thing I've found that having trained a lot actually made me a lot calmer and less likely to get into anything. A lot of guys have that whole machismo thing because they feel a need to prove themselves. Somehow weekly sparring seems to dissipate that need, as does knowing techniques that could kill or incapacitate someone. Some senior instructors think the feeling you get when you learn those techniques is the reason so many arts possess a "spiritual element" - the knowledge that you could kill someone doesn't sit that easily and you start looking for meaning.

LordNue said:
My vote would have to be for a gun. For the time, effort and money invested in martial arts you could probably easily learn how to shoot a guy in the face if he attacks you.
I would direct you to some of these videos: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W4xvYSU_qUc
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=THW-c6E5nvs


Also bear in mind that you can't take a gun everywhere you go, even in the US.

S.R.S. said:
Krav Maga. It's what Isreal's body guards learn.
Kali. It's what Navy SEALs, U.S. Army Special Forces and Delta Force, US State Department, FBI, CIA, Federal Air Marshals, Force-Recon Marine Battalions of the Armed Forces of the Philippines and the Special Action Force (SAF) contingent of the Philippine National Police learn.
 

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HotFezz8 said:
ThatPurpleGuy said:
Probably something like Judo would be the best for the sort of situations you described..Any punches thrown can quickly be turned into a throw and putting them on the ground. +1 already for you. Then just go MMA style and try and snap their arm or something lol
having done judo for 10 years i would back this up, judo is (meant to be) a non lethal martial art, but in a fight its a bloody effective one. a typical judo encounter involves your oppenent walking straight up to you, grabbing you by the lapels and throwing you over your shoulder. if that happens to someone not expecting it they are so shocked you have time to get the fuck gone.
Yeah I just would think this would be very effective in the sort of situation the OP described. If someone throws a punch at you, they normally expect you to defend the punch or throw one back. The last thing someone expects, especially the drunk, streetbrawler type is to be countered by a throw. I rarely fight but honour rules go out the window for me if its someone I don't know. Once they are on the ground I have a massive advantage. I will keep them there through "non-judo" techniques ie punches, kicks, knees, elbows.
 

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Benny Blanco said:
Finally, a learned Martial Artist that isn't a preachy douchbag. The maddest of props friend.

Anyways.

I have come to believe that any Martial Art is fine, they will help with fitness, strength, agility and reaction time and they'll teach you fundamental, important techniques. Not everyone wants to learn how to be a brutal self defence machine or a disciplined man of stone. That's why I don't want to do Krav Maga, Karate or Kung fu, I certainly respect what it can do but it isn't my style. I was quite happy training for tournament Taekwon do, staying at black belt and ignoring the Poomsae. I had fun and it was good for my health. Nowadays I'm doing MMA, we cover all the stuff that's important for the sport without focusing on any particular style.
 

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Only if you want a trip to prison where you get to meet some very friendly people. And I mean friendly in the wrong way.

Seriously, punching and throwing is one thing. But pull a gun and your no longer defending yourself. Besides, guns can run out of Ammo.