Mother Finds Pro-Islam Message In DS Game
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I can see hearing "...is the light" in the last part of the message. That doesn't take a lot of imagination. The first word is pretty garbled, two-syllable starting with "Is-" okay, but I couldn't hear a "-lam" anywhere in there. At best maybe "Isa is the light."
It does sound like they copied the sound from the doll to the computer game.
It does sound like they copied the sound from the doll to the computer game.
Watching the video, it does sound like that is what is being said, but that can be said for any kind of hidden message scenario. If you're told a video or peice of audio contains a hidden message, then you're more than likely going to hear the message as that is what you are expecting.
I would say the mother is definitely over-reacting in this case though. As for the emphasis on the girl getting a good report card, they kept saying that to show what a perfect, working class family this was, in order that all the other working class mums can sympathise with their noble battle against the soulless child manipulating corporation that is Nintendo.
Boo, hiss, etc...
I would say the mother is definitely over-reacting in this case though. As for the emphasis on the girl getting a good report card, they kept saying that to show what a perfect, working class family this was, in order that all the other working class mums can sympathise with their noble battle against the soulless child manipulating corporation that is Nintendo.
Boo, hiss, etc...
I don't think this is the game's fault. (as much as I would like to see the imagine game series crushed)Just like you, The_root_of_all_evil, this reminded me of the Led Zeppelin thing. (for any of you who are wondering, when played backwards, "Stairway to Heaven" has a combination of words that 'sound' like "Oh here's to my sweet Satan) Granted, this "Islam is the light" thing sounds alot more like the said phrase. However, I do not see anything wrong with said phrase. There are a lot of fanatics out there, but I myself happen to know several Muslims, and they are wonderful people. Plus, if you want to hear something, you WILL hear it, and I think this mom should just calm down and have a cookie. She is clearly stressed out and needs some sugar in her system.The_root_of_all_evil said:
Of course it'll sound like "Islam is the Light" they JUST SAID IT.
If they say it sounds like "Islam is the light" then whether you think it does or not something in your mind will likely say "Hey, it does".
It's the same thing with misheard lyrics and playing songs backwards, they're not real words/lyrics, they're just what people interpret them to be, so in this istance she's obviously heard what she thought sounded like the phrase from the doll and is now being overly cautious in case it crops up again, then something that sounds similar (because let's face it babies all make similar noises) she's automatically called the "OMG ISLAM!" card...
*shakes head...*
Is it like it's telling her kids to bomb their house and worship a God other then jesus? (because i know that's a pretty alien concept to a fair few americans) no, i don't think it did, all i heard was baby-babble that sounded alot like a phrase...
Scenario time!:
"Aba-wah kadoo... BRAAAAH!!!" "OMG SHE SED ABRA KADABRA!" "BURN THE CHILD!"
If they say it sounds like "Islam is the light" then whether you think it does or not something in your mind will likely say "Hey, it does".
It's the same thing with misheard lyrics and playing songs backwards, they're not real words/lyrics, they're just what people interpret them to be, so in this istance she's obviously heard what she thought sounded like the phrase from the doll and is now being overly cautious in case it crops up again, then something that sounds similar (because let's face it babies all make similar noises) she's automatically called the "OMG ISLAM!" card...
*shakes head...*
Is it like it's telling her kids to bomb their house and worship a God other then jesus? (because i know that's a pretty alien concept to a fair few americans) no, i don't think it did, all i heard was baby-babble that sounded alot like a phrase...
Scenario time!:
"Aba-wah kadoo... BRAAAAH!!!" "OMG SHE SED ABRA KADABRA!" "BURN THE CHILD!"
It sounds like Islam is the light because I was told by the video to be listening for the message "Islam is the light" If I hadn't I would more than likely have heard some gibberish...
Seriously though, my ignorance sensors just overloaded, I can't even comprehend why that cruel shrew took her kids reward for good grades because she though it endorsed a different culture than her. If you are so "shocked" that you had to take two toys away from your child perhaps you should stop taking their toys.
Also just because the case says "Nintedo DS" doesn't mean it is a product licensed by Nintedo...
Seriously though, my ignorance sensors just overloaded, I can't even comprehend why that cruel shrew took her kids reward for good grades because she though it endorsed a different culture than her. If you are so "shocked" that you had to take two toys away from your child perhaps you should stop taking their toys.
Also just because the case says "Nintedo DS" doesn't mean it is a product licensed by Nintedo...
actually, it points to the same royalty-free stock sound effect.sidhe3141 said:
i've noticed it before; every football game tends to have the same two grunts/yells. there's also a stock police dispatcher voice that you hear in a lot of tv shows and movies, not just games. clearly it's about dispatch, but it sounds like a woman saying "clavis fatso". my brother and i made an inside joke of it.
"Islam is the light"
Or to non-paranoid people:
"igga is aga lithhsa"
Seriously do you actually expect some game maker to put such a message in there? After listening to the recording I can see how people would have made that leap but can't see how they made it without a pre-existing bias and expectancy.
Or to non-paranoid people:
"igga is aga lithhsa"
Seriously do you actually expect some game maker to put such a message in there? After listening to the recording I can see how people would have made that leap but can't see how they made it without a pre-existing bias and expectancy.
She would be okay with it. Just like I would be okay with the game mentioning "All hail King David" and my friend would be okay with it mentioning "Islam is the Light".Erana said:
Granted, even if that was the case we'd be extremely freaked out by it.
I can perfectly understand her concern. If I was the parent and I don't believe in Islam, then for some reason a game rated for children is manipulating my kid by saying "Jesus is our Savior", I would be extremely pissed off. It's a company that's trying to shove their belief down our throats through subliminal manipulation.
If I was her, I'd try to find a case against the company. I have no problem with Islams or any other religion, but bullshit like this should stay out of gaming. This is potentially a company that's trying to manipulate our kids into thinking that "their true religion is the one!". If my kids want to convert to Islam, Christianity, Buddhist, or become Atheist than fine, but never will I allow them to find out about these other options like this, in a game meant for everyone.
Religion has no place in video games, and if it does, then it's only place is in Religion-promoting games (unless it's completely made up for the game).
This. This is the phenomenon supposedly called "backmasking" in which whomever produced a movie or music thing, and then someone hears it, and they were told "OMG THIS SAYS X" and you see it and say" OMFG IT *DOES* SAY X". This is suggestion. There is no backmasking or encoding of any kind. It's not *possible* to do. You ever notice how noone ever just says listen to this, they say: This has X. Well lo and behold X ISN'T THERE, BUT IS SIMPLY FROM OUR MINDS TO FILL THE NONSENSICAL WHITE NOISE-LIKE QUALITY OF THAT. Our brain has to make sense out of nothing and if we already have a pattern / thing, then that's wut it does.The_root_of_all_evil said:
edit: damnit you beat me to it
Siuss said:
Some excellent points from everyone so far. I can't call this a summary, but I think it's very thorough:
I think the key concern here is that parents want to know what they're buying. This particular case may be a big fuss made over nothing, but the fact that her doll/DS game/DVD says something she don't expect has probably put her on the defensive as a parent. That's understandable. It's the manufacturer's responsibility to make sure their products perform as intended and that means making sure no unintended statements are being conveyed, be they political, religious, philosophical, or otherwise. It would be another issue entirely if the phrase showed up in a product that was specifically marketed to be pro-Islam or about a muslim family, since there would be a well-understood context. I do know that Nintendo of America goes out of its way to filter out religious content in their games simply in an effort to avoid the issue. That is why we will never see an official release of Devil World (Famicom) on the Wii Virtual Console.
As for the clarity of the phrase in question, I think we have to remember that young children are still forming their understanding of the world and their potential interpretations of a phrase is a valid concern. A developing child needs clear messages about its world, and providing that is a burden we place solely on the parent: not on media, community, or government. It's true that at some point, we must begin to make our own decisions, but before children hit that poorly-defined point, the parent is the legal guardian and has sole discression over what the child is exposed to.
With that said, I can't say I'd personally have a problem with the phrase "Islam is the light", but religion is definitely a concept I would want to introduce to my kids on my own terms.
Finally, I think this news story goes off a bit half-cocked. They should've waited to hear from the game developer so we could at least get more of an explanation of the intended nature of the phrase. It could be honest gibberish for all we know. Babies DO speak gibberish. It's also hard to assess the clarity and interpretation of the phrase without bias because the news story conditions our minds with a suggested interpretation. Conditioning makes you more sensitive to a pattern, whether it's there or not.
Thoughts?
I think the key concern here is that parents want to know what they're buying. This particular case may be a big fuss made over nothing, but the fact that her doll/DS game/DVD says something she don't expect has probably put her on the defensive as a parent. That's understandable. It's the manufacturer's responsibility to make sure their products perform as intended and that means making sure no unintended statements are being conveyed, be they political, religious, philosophical, or otherwise. It would be another issue entirely if the phrase showed up in a product that was specifically marketed to be pro-Islam or about a muslim family, since there would be a well-understood context. I do know that Nintendo of America goes out of its way to filter out religious content in their games simply in an effort to avoid the issue. That is why we will never see an official release of Devil World (Famicom) on the Wii Virtual Console.
As for the clarity of the phrase in question, I think we have to remember that young children are still forming their understanding of the world and their potential interpretations of a phrase is a valid concern. A developing child needs clear messages about its world, and providing that is a burden we place solely on the parent: not on media, community, or government. It's true that at some point, we must begin to make our own decisions, but before children hit that poorly-defined point, the parent is the legal guardian and has sole discression over what the child is exposed to.
With that said, I can't say I'd personally have a problem with the phrase "Islam is the light", but religion is definitely a concept I would want to introduce to my kids on my own terms.
Finally, I think this news story goes off a bit half-cocked. They should've waited to hear from the game developer so we could at least get more of an explanation of the intended nature of the phrase. It could be honest gibberish for all we know. Babies DO speak gibberish. It's also hard to assess the clarity and interpretation of the phrase without bias because the news story conditions our minds with a suggested interpretation. Conditioning makes you more sensitive to a pattern, whether it's there or not.
Thoughts?
Someone needs to redub that news clip saying it says 'Elvis is alive' and I bet we'd all agree it sounds like that, too.
you've been told what it says, so you'll hear that. It's a damn baby, I've never heard a baby speak any sense for the first...18 or so years of its life, and I include myself in that.
Also, only happens when you bathe it? Is that some kinda muslim baptism then? you dunk it, it goes 'islam is the light, and it's converted?
For one, who cares, but really, it just doesn't say that unless you're nuts, I'll concede it says something ending maybe in 'ite', but I've seen 'three men and a baby', so I'm sure no baby could ever say anything worth hearing.
you've been told what it says, so you'll hear that. It's a damn baby, I've never heard a baby speak any sense for the first...18 or so years of its life, and I include myself in that.
Also, only happens when you bathe it? Is that some kinda muslim baptism then? you dunk it, it goes 'islam is the light, and it's converted?
For one, who cares, but really, it just doesn't say that unless you're nuts, I'll concede it says something ending maybe in 'ite', but I've seen 'three men and a baby', so I'm sure no baby could ever say anything worth hearing.
I thought this was going to be a story of a parent who blames everything on video games... But i heard "Islam is the light" as well.
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I bet it also says "Gay people are not all godless satanists"
Seriously, If you think this is honestly saying "Islam is the light" then you are insane. This is just an Islamaphobic idiot in a suburb who has been raised to be a good Christan. It's just like the people who see sex references in Disney movies. The fact that it is used in two products proves that it is used in a lot of talking baby toys and is merely a baby sound clip, nothing evil about it, nothing more going on. Sometimes a cigar is just a cigar.
(By the way, I swear I could hear one of my Pikmin say "Satin is good, satin is our pal!" last time I played Pikmin. j/k)(Also, what dose that mean if it is saying "Islam is the light"?)
Seriously, If you think this is honestly saying "Islam is the light" then you are insane. This is just an Islamaphobic idiot in a suburb who has been raised to be a good Christan. It's just like the people who see sex references in Disney movies. The fact that it is used in two products proves that it is used in a lot of talking baby toys and is merely a baby sound clip, nothing evil about it, nothing more going on. Sometimes a cigar is just a cigar.
(By the way, I swear I could hear one of my Pikmin say "Satin is good, satin is our pal!" last time I played Pikmin. j/k)(Also, what dose that mean if it is saying "Islam is the light"?)