Movie Bob gets called out by Chris Roberts on PC gaming
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The funny thing is that they both seem to be getting at the same idea. That singular and separate gaming experiences('PC'gaming, 'console' gaming, etc) are coming to the end. We seem to be at a point where gaming seems to be diversifying at a rapid pace. I feel like we will being seeing a much larger variety in pricing and expectations from developers and publishers.
People are quick to point out how 'bloated' the AAA industry is in terms of publisher expectations(Tomb Raider being the most recent example) and is heading towards a crash. I have felt that the AAA and the industry as a whole is not as much declining as it is dividing.
People are quick to point out how 'bloated' the AAA industry is in terms of publisher expectations(Tomb Raider being the most recent example) and is heading towards a crash. I have felt that the AAA and the industry as a whole is not as much declining as it is dividing.
I remember that video and I'm not convinced Movie Bob has it wrong. It seems a lot of people are getting the wrong end of the stick. He's not saying PC gaming is dying in that vid just that the big grunty gaming Pc is going to be less and less relevant.
As far as I can see its already happening to a certain extent. All of my friends have laptops only a few have desktops and honestly they have no reason to buy one, their laptop plays all the games they want.
As much as I love my tower rig its a relic, albeit a very useful one. I play a lot of dos and emulator games on my phone and soon I'll be getting a tablet just for playing games. I used to have to use my rig for that stuff, now I have a far more versatile option.
As far as I can see its already happening to a certain extent. All of my friends have laptops only a few have desktops and honestly they have no reason to buy one, their laptop plays all the games they want.
As much as I love my tower rig its a relic, albeit a very useful one. I play a lot of dos and emulator games on my phone and soon I'll be getting a tablet just for playing games. I used to have to use my rig for that stuff, now I have a far more versatile option.
Seeing a lot of the reactions to his statement apparently a lot of people don't.TheDrunkNinja said:
Here's another thing Game Sales. Look at game releases for any game that is n ot a PC exclusive. even games that have a huge PC following like the Elderscrolls games. Compare the PC sales to those of the Console ones and they sell a fraction of what they sell on the consoles. Usually less than half of the sales of a single console version. and less than a fourth when compared to multiplatform releases.
No, I completely discredit a man who turns down a million dollar movie deal with Francis Ford Coppola because he refuses to listen to anyone, and then churns out one of the worst movies ever made and refuses to accept that it was a bad movie.barbzilla said:
As for Lord of War, Andrew Niccol's project, Chris Roberts did little more than attach himself to the project in an attempt to resurrect his career if the film was wildly successful. It wasn't. Someone like Niccol can suffer a string of bad movies, because at the very least he takes criticism, and has enough solid, if poorly executed, ideas to sustain himself as a film maker. In Time, with Justin Timberlake, was a bad movie that was just bad enough to be entertaining despite the massive leaps of logic necessary to sustain it.
Chris Roberts made Wing Commander, a movie so shit even EA refused to make more games in the Wing Commander franchise for over a decade. Take a moment and understand that sentence. Then understand that Chris Roberts burned every bridge he had to make that movie because he honestly believed it was a work of art.
His opinions are worthless.
That doesn't solely define PC gaming today. There are laptops on the mainstream market built specifically for gaming like Alienware. We know that the future of PC gaming is in laptops because we're already using them.Winnosh said:
Someone who doesn't actually have knowledge of the PC gaming culture would make such a misguided assumption. Bob tells it like he figured out something that no one else could ever have thought of. This is why he gets hate for this video.
The video was directed toward PC gamers.Winnosh said:
Yes, they do. Don't make the same mistake as Bob.
I'm not arguing why you think PC gaming is dying out in favor of consoles. That isn't the issue with my statement that you brought to me.Winnosh said:
You have to consider, though, that Valve don't publicly release Steam sales data. According to them, Portal 2 sold better on PC than on consoles. Go check the public sales data, it looks like the console versions sold better by quite a margin.Winnosh said:
Sites like VG Chartz are unreliable for PC game sales because so much of it is digital now. Hell, go check the sales of any digital-only release like Braid.
Console games probably do sell better, but without hard sales data it's impossibly to assert.
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I have no contact with Moviebob's work outside of The Escapist, I didn't realise he called himself that.
I still personally hold that he isn't a game commentator, mainly due to his inbuilt bias of treating the medium rather like movies, (see his tweets about the ME3 endings to see why).
As for 'actual' game commentators I would choose people who either critique or develop games as their main 'job' rather than a side aspect of another gig they are doing.
That one wasn't directed at you. I just didn't want to double post.TheDrunkNinja said:
And Bob was talking about Games migrating from the big tower PCs to smaller more versitile things. I will fully agree that he used improper wording for a lot of things. But Steam to me is just another reason that PC gaming is changing. Some people don't see games on tablets as PC gaming.
His video was far more about how Tower PCs are slowly losing relevance than anything else.
I get no modding for multiplayer and compettative games. That's the same on the PC but what about singleplayer games. It would be great if I could hook up Skyrim on the console like I could the PC that's why I have the PC version I needs my player made quests.rhizhim said:considering that you could alter some files (modding) of certain games to unlock on disk dlc, i would say that sony, microsoft and any other publisher for consoles have a pretty good reason to not allow modding on consoles..Winnosh said:People seem to not get what the point of his video was. Game consoles have reached a point where they could replicate everything that the PC games do. The only thing holding them back are the horrible buisness practices being done by the console companies. There's no reason Microsoft and Sony shouldn't allow modding for Skyrim to be allowed on Consoles. I'm not a PC gamer I'm not a Console Gamer. I'm a person who loves games wherever they are.DVS BSTrD said:Well Moviebob had obviously never played a Bethesda game
or Minecraft.
or an RTS
plus the fact that you can hack a game to give yourself an advantage (cheating) is another reason not to.
and also considering that the games on the consoles "work" because their software is heavily optimized and modified to squeeze all the power out of their hardware to barely please gamers lust for high definition graphics and altering them could cause unwanted performance issues....
also i find it funny that everyone neglects a pc when a console is nothing but a pc with limited administration rights and locked hardware.
its like saying you hate and disregard French fries and that they are dying out and disgusting but you cant get enough of those delicious Freedom fries.
That's fine. Make that clearer next time or wait until someone else posts.Winnosh said:
I understand that (truth be told, the mainstream for PC gaming right now is in laptops, not desktops), but he only aggravates the issue when he talks in his usual arrogant manner like he's going to school people despite the fact that he's only proven he has no idea about the very culture he's critiquing. That was my issue.Winnosh said:
They have the potential. As they are right now, they are closer to the genre of social and casual games and have yet to be utilized in a way that offers the complexity and number of actions that a mouse and keyboard are capable of. Maybe some day, though.Winnosh said:
The fact that he's calling Moviebob an "expert" is pretty funny in its own right. But yeah, critiquing a 3 year old vid on something as fluid as gaming is just silly. Even if the video itself was made by someone who has no idea real idea what he's talking about.
Well I will only play that Star Citizen game if it has a casual mode. Because it looks like typical PC-exclusive fare of being inaccessible to anyone who lacks a life outside of their PC.
Don't get me wrong, I would consider myself a PC gamer now as I own more games on it and have played more hours on PC than on console, but I like my games to be able to be played in short bursts without having to wade through screen after screen of menus and won't let me make even little mistakes or play sloppily without basically taking away days of progress.
Which is why I like how games have been "console-fied", but it seems no one wants to make the awesome, large-scale space game for us who are pretty good at games but not NEARLY dedicated enough to devote our lives to it in order to just enjoy it pleasantly without being stressed every second of the game.
Don't get me wrong, I would consider myself a PC gamer now as I own more games on it and have played more hours on PC than on console, but I like my games to be able to be played in short bursts without having to wade through screen after screen of menus and won't let me make even little mistakes or play sloppily without basically taking away days of progress.
Which is why I like how games have been "console-fied", but it seems no one wants to make the awesome, large-scale space game for us who are pretty good at games but not NEARLY dedicated enough to devote our lives to it in order to just enjoy it pleasantly without being stressed every second of the game.