Movie Bob gets called out by Chris Roberts on PC gaming

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lacktheknack said:
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I'm actually still with Moviebob here and this guy doesn't change a thing.
*shrug*
Does the utter reversal of what Moviebob said change anything? (CRPGs making a comeback, the continuing reign of RTS and TBS with no good alternate on consoles, the sudden explosion of the indie scene starting with Minecraft and continuing with HumbleBundle and Kickstarter, the popularization of gog.com, blah blah blah Moviebob was all the way off base.)

OT: That wasn't a good critique. That was stapling on Moviebob because he was an easy target.
I'll expand on that.
The entire video (Moviebob's) is about the evolution of gaming - how we're eventually not going to be sitting at a PC anymore playing video games like this, but rather eventually playing them on a laptop, tablet, phone or mobile device of some kind. Not an insult towards 'RTS' gaming on the PC, but rather a statement about the death of any form of 'PC Only, you can only play at home, on a pc' gaming, especially with the rise of Cloud gaming that allows you to basically stream the game to your gaming device.

I still agree with Moviebob's words - and if anything seeing this guy rip his words out of context only assures me I probably won't be touching Star Citizen.
 

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Zeh Don said:
The opinions of Chris Roberts, a man famous for turning his back on video games and burning bridges to make movies, who then made 'Wing Commander' - look it up - and killed any hope for a career in any medium, are not very important to anyone other than himself.

Having said that, the opinions of Movie Bob are equally worthless, as he's off the mark as often as he hits it. Shit, Jim Sterling - a man who seems to change his opinion to meet whatever the internet seems to agree with at the time - has a more rounded and worthwhile opinion.
He also made Lord of War, so what?

You completely discredit someone because they make a bad movie?

I am looking forward to star citizen personally, and I am looking forward to the new rize in PC games coming forward. I don't care what moviebob said, though I tend to find him entertaining, and yes I think Jim has a very well rounded view on gaming. The point is, don't discredit the guy just because he made one bad movie.
 

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Gnmish said:
I didn't realise what a raving console fan boi Movie Bob was.
While that may be accurate, you're deriving it from what people have already correctly indicated was an out of context quote and misses his overall points.
RedDeadFred said:
And this is why he's called MovieBob. He should stick to MOVIES.
He's also called Game Overthinker. I mean, if it wasn't bad enough that the clip shown is deceptive at best, this seems to top it.

lacktheknack said:
That was stapling on Moviebob because he was an easy target.
He makes himself an easy target by making bombastic and often ridiculous statements. This was only wrong because it's a dishonest deal.
 

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NameIsRobertPaulson said:
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Good. Even if the video is taken out of context it has always annoyed me when Bob talks abou PC gaming. I don't pretend to know a damned thing about Nintendo or platformers and the like because they as well as many other aspects of console gaming are just not something I have much personal experience with. Wish Bob would do the same with PC gaming.

Maybe someone of high position challenging Bob's thoughts on the subject will encourage him to either leave it alone in the future or at least do more thorough research. Maybe ask people with more experience with the genre...

Or it could turn out quite the opposite with Bob declaring a personal crusade. We shall see! Should be fun to watch whatever the case should Bob choose to respond.
I doubt it. If you look at his responses to opposing viewpoints ("The Nineties Sucked", "Is Django Racist", the part where he insulted anyone who liked The Expendables and ranted at them for ruining Scott Pilgrim, etc), they're non-apologies at best, and rarely take the actual criticism into account, and tend to try to spin it. So much that he misses the original criticism by a mile.

I love his videos, particularly his movie reviews, but he's rather intractable.
More than I say. I don't watch anything he does anymore, not when he treats almost every subject with the grace and maturity of a seven-year old CoD player with pixie stix. He is an elitist of the highest regard, a hypocrite in multiple fields, and frankly far too arrogant for someone who matters as little as he does.
Actually, that brings up another two points which continually annoy with regards to both hypocrisy and tangentially, Call of Duty. Nintendo fanboys should avoid criticising Call of Duty for not innovating more in each game, when they themselves go into a rabid frenzy for the return of... the Tanuki suit. Where's your innovation Mario? #sarcasm. Gee, it's just more platforming. We've seen that before hurr durr. Oh, really? Releasing the same game again are we (Literally).

I think what annoys me most is his disingenuity. He calls the 90s a vacuum, citing no war or political things (Gee, ever heard of a man called Saddam? A little place called Kuwait? Actually, that entire region? A little school called Columbine?) no cultural icons (Because Nirvana never happened, Marilyn Manson wasn't a thing, Fight Club wasn't a movie, American Beauty didn't happen, and the resurgence of video games isn't important, and no prevailing attitude, despite being happy to call other decades a hangover, apparently rage, dissatisfaction, and the effects of previous social changes causing dissatisfaction. And then he says he was being sarcastic when he was clearly playing it straight.

Or he dismisses Spike Lee's criticism of Django Unchained (He said at the time that the representation was essentially disrespectful to his ancestors, who were slaves, and were butchered), by claiming that the empowerment of Django makes it ok. (Hint: The empowerment of Django is problematic. Make a game about a school shooting where you play as the kids and everyone escapes safely, or about stopping 9/11 by stabbing the terrorists. It's problematic and downplays the real tragedy for false heroism).

Or his straight up poor response to calling anyone who liked The Expendables (And I hated that movie too) stupid.

I think part of the problem is manner. He, like other such personalities (Jim Sterling (Yes he's being deliberately obnoxious to be amusing), and Penn Jilette for instance), doesn't leave much room for being wrong, or apologising, and rarely engages in any navel gazing, or making sure their views are internally consistent. They tend to put their feet in their mouths I guess. It happens more often the more you talk about stuff you have no idea about, which Bob's had a tendency to do more than once.
 

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Hey so long as he is called out on something I'm happy. Now somebody needs to do something on his BS White-Knighting that nobody asked for.
 

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The thing is. I don't see how Star Citizen couldn't BE a console game. I mean it won't because of the crappy way that the consoles are supporting things like this. But there is no logistical or gameplay reason that this couldn't be a console game. That's the real thing that The Game Overthinker was talking about.

I refuse to call him MovieBob when he discusses games. I first met him as The Game Overthinker and that's what he'll always be to me.
 

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DVS BSTrD said:
Well Moviebob had obviously never played a Bethesda game
or Minecraft.
or an RTS
:p
People seem to not get what the point of his video was. Game consoles have reached a point where they could replicate everything that the PC games do. The only thing holding them back are the horrible buisness practices being done by the console companies. There's no reason Microsoft and Sony shouldn't allow modding for Skyrim to be allowed on Consoles. I'm not a PC gamer I'm not a Console Gamer. I'm a person who loves games wherever they are.
 

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Ah yes, one of MovieBob's more infamous videos showcasing his complete lack of understanding of the gaming world and anything outside of Mario in general.
I thought that was actually pretty brilliant, since personal computers aren't really going anywhere, phasing out with tablets and smart phones and whatnot. That said, I'm not a fan of Bob. He's got that annoying liberal problem of spending half of a video illustrating why I'm a sexist/racist/luddite because I disagree with any of his opinions.

I preferred his earlier work, when him saying, "Most of you will probably just bring up the point that we're all mean to these pretty actresses because all the girls in our high school wouldn't fuck us. My response: SO?" was pretty normal. He was more approachable.
 

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Reading so many comments it baffles me, PC gaming is going to die? How? Where do you think these games are made on a Xbox or PS3? No they're made on a PC, PCs are used to do everything from movies to games and there's a market for games on them too.

So what somehow ...games just wont be made for PC? I just don't see any logic in that, they have purpose without games, and it's easy to make games for PC (as in if you can do it for console you can do it for PC). Many people who have a console, have a PC to do other things and I'm sure the odd game or two happens on them anyway.
 

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It's not like MovieBobs quote was out of context, it's pretty clear what the general message he was trying to put across was: He thinks PC gaming is dying. Or at least shrinking significantly.

As far as I can see, PC gaming has never been stronger and if the rumours of Xbox 720 being always online, having an always on camera (kinect) ect. are true then I can only assume PC gaming will see an even bigger boost in numbers.
 

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AsurasEyes said:
TheDrunkNinja said:
Ah yes, one of MovieBob's more infamous videos showcasing his complete lack of understanding of the gaming world and anything outside of Mario in general.
I thought that was actually pretty brilliant, since personal computers aren't really going anywhere, phasing out with tablets and smart phones and whatnot. That said, I'm not a fan of Bob. He's got that annoying liberal problem of spending half of a video illustrating why I'm a sexist/racist/luddite because I disagree with any of his opinions.

I preferred his earlier work, when him saying, "Most of you will probably just bring up the point that we're all mean to these pretty actresses because all the girls in our high school wouldn't fuck us. My response: SO?" was pretty normal. He was more approachable.
I haven't watched the video in some time, but I recall one of his blanketed statements essentially said (and to be fair, I'm paraphrasing from memory) that the future of PC gaming would have us abandoning our PCs in favor of (as you said) tablets... and laptops. Again, it's been a while since I've seen the video, but the hand-shaped mark on my forehead still stings.

A lot of the comparisons were extremely head-tilting as well, like the Wii remote to a mouse. All in all, I recall walking away from the video thinking Bob has no clue what he's talking about. The future of games is a broad one indeed, but the way he put it, it was clear he wasn't anywhere near the expert he touted himself as in the video.
 

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I tend to ignore anything Moviebob says about gaming, mainly because its outside his area of his main expertise of movies and to a lesser extent comics and TV series (hence his screen name being 'Moviebob').
Well his other internet nickname is TheGameOverthinker, does that make him qualified?

On a more serious note, name a game commentator who could say games are an area of expertise. (The Extra Credits guy is one). It's pretty rare, games haven't evolved much of a theoretical discourse side yet and for whatever reason most developers are making games or going to space or starting kickstarters and not writing about games (I do find it odd how few developers you see doing writing for people)
 

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Argh. Did no one pay attention to the video? Of I will admit the title of it was there for a bit of rage bait attention grabbing. Unfortunatly a lot of people couldn't get past that title.

His whole video was about how PCs themselves are slowly fazing themselves out of our lives. Games for one were only a part of the video.

We are fast approaching a time where the PC as the central hub of where we go for the Internet, our web music, and our games can and will be done by other devices. The games we associate with PC gaming are not going anywhere and he never claimed that they were.

In the video he explicitly says that While "PC gaming is coming to an end. PC Games are going nowhere. "

Why do you think that Steambox and the Ouiya are things that companies are trying to create?

Hell with proper cloud services and downloadable titles. All you really need for some things will eventyally be a Monotor and a good hardrive to store the games.


Are we there Of course not, he never said they were dead.
Will we eventually get there, sure and can someone answer me why that would be a bad thing?
 

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He's a movie critic. Listen to him about movies. He knows almost nothing about gaming. Don't listen to him about games.
 

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TheDrunkNinja said:
AsurasEyes said:
TheDrunkNinja said:
Ah yes, one of MovieBob's more infamous videos showcasing his complete lack of understanding of the gaming world and anything outside of Mario in general.
I thought that was actually pretty brilliant, since personal computers aren't really going anywhere, phasing out with tablets and smart phones and whatnot. That said, I'm not a fan of Bob. He's got that annoying liberal problem of spending half of a video illustrating why I'm a sexist/racist/luddite because I disagree with any of his opinions.

I preferred his earlier work, when him saying, "Most of you will probably just bring up the point that we're all mean to these pretty actresses because all the girls in our high school wouldn't fuck us. My response: SO?" was pretty normal. He was more approachable.
I haven't watched the video in some time, but I recall one of his blanketed statements essentially said (and to be fair, I'm paraphrasing from memory) that the future of PC gaming would have us abandoning our PCs in favor of (as you said) tablets... and laptops. Again, it's been a while since I've seen the video, but the hand-shaped mark on my forehead still stings.

A lot of the comparisons were extremely head-tilting as well, like the Wii remote to a mouse. All in all, I recall walking away from the video thinking Bob has no clue what he's talking about. The future of games is a broad one indeed, but the way he put it, it was clear he wasn't anywhere near the expert he touted himself as in the video.
Can you explain to me what was so head slapping worthy about tablet and laptop gaming?