Movie Defense Force: Batman & Robin

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emeraldrafael

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I wouldnt mind something like this to space it out, but not if youre making Ben Affleck the sacrificial lamb to do it. If it gets panned (which likely it probably will if reviewers say its like batman and robin), that pretty much guarantees Affleck doesnt get the chance to be batman (and may turn him off comic book movies again) and he has great potential at it.
 

ConanThe3rd

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Eh, not feeling this one. Sure it's not the complete end of the world that history has made it out to be but I think that of all the things I want in terms of Batman another one of these (with all the baggage it entailes) is not it.
 

Aptspire

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I see Jim is purposefully ignoring *that* scene. Is it because it would DESTROY his argument?
Perhaps.
Let's watch it again, Jim!
 

PunkRex

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Me and my cousin watched all the old Batmans as kids, even this one, and we loved it. This film is silly, pantomime silly, but it's fun and ya know what, that ending is pretty grim, for Poison Ivy at least.

Nice avatar by the way Jim.
 

marscentral

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I don't think any of the Batman films have been done that well, they've all been flawed in some way. The Animated Series and The Brave And The Bold on the other hand really nailed the serious and camp versions of Batman and his world. I really hope they're taking notes from TAS for Superman versus Batman, for both characters, but I'm not hopeful.

That said, if I had to watch either Batman and Robin or one of the Nolan films, I'd pick Batman and Robin. At least it would be a laugh.
 

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I suppose someone could make a wonderful sympethetic fiction about Oswald as he goes about killing JFK. This may have been a well done Batman movie comedy. We didn't want it!
 

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Aptspire said:
I see Jim is purposefully ignoring *that* scene. Is it because it would DESTROY his argument?
Perhaps.
Let's watch it again, Jim!
Damn! I was about to post that clip after GamerMage reminded me and you beat me to the punch.
 

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I've been waiting for a video like this. If one campy / oddly sexual Batman gets a pass, why not another? It's been too long since I've seen it to give a full opinion but I really enjoyed this movie when I was about 9 or 10.
 

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I agree Jim after the straight faced Nolan movies I am ready for another energetic neon lit Batman movie. Not exactly campy but something a little more aesthetically interesting and exciting and a little less brooding. So pretty much Batman Forever.
 

VonBrewskie

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Jim, love you man, great arguments. I still hate this movie. I know what it was going for. I knew it when i was a kid. I hated it then, I hate it now. I did not have fun during this movie. That's an unforgivable sin in a Batman movie, IMO. Great, coherent arguments man. I can see what you mean. I just don't agree. Thanks!
 

Paradoxrifts

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If it's all the same can't we just get Warner Brothers to retire Batman on a high note, and make Adam Warren's Empowered into a movie instead?

It's pretty much superior to any campy, comical version of Batman that has ever been created in the entire history of the extended Batman franchise.
 

Clunks

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This movie needed defending?

*runs away giggling*

Can't get on board with the it's-just-like-Adam-West-era-Batman defence, because...well, because it ain't. I find the '66 Batman movie to be a joyful, silly, ingenious and sometimes downright surreal film. Can't say the same about Schumacher's Batman movies, I just find them irritating. Perhaps the level of ire reserved for Batman and Robin in particular is a bit absurd - there are far worse movies out there, some of which even have Batman in them - but sheer audacity and a cast who seem to be having fun do not, in themselves, make for a fun watch.
 

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I loved this film as a kid. We had it on VHS, and I watched it a million times. Between this and Batman the animated series, I figured that these campy batman movies were exactly what Batman was about. It was about a big, rich, serious guy beating up on a series of silly supervillans. To be honest, I really don't like the grimdark Batman stuff, because then nobody's any fun. Batman's never going to crack a smile, if the villains don't bring some life to the party, nothing interesting is ever going to happen.

This is why I fall asleep during the DC movies, and I'm losing my mind with excitement during any given Marvel film. It's not about the heroes, or Marvel vs. DC itself, it's about the way that these movies approach the source material. When I go to see a super hero movie, with the exception of something like Kickass, I want to see all the crazy stuff they do in the comics translated into moving pictures. I want to see Bane punch holes in solid concrete, I want to see Doctor Octopus running around with giant ridiculous robo-tentacles, and then I want to watch the hero swoop in and beat the hell out of them. As long as I'm getting lasers and one-liners, I could give a damn about how tough it is to pay your bills as a superhero in today's economy.

Good on you, Jim. Shout from the rooftops about your love for the campy batman films, I'm right behind you.
 

Knight Anon

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When I saw this movie in the theater it infuriated me. I was MAD, in retrospect it was amazing that the movie managed to provoke so much antipathy, it was (bizarrely) an unforgettable experience to me. About 10 minutes into this movie I simultaneously wanted to kill the movie and/or die. I couldn't believe that they did it.

I'd thought that Batman Forever was a throw back the camp levels of the 60's Party Batman and too much for me by the end of the movie. B&R shoot right past Camp-Man and into Three Stooges territory. It was a gaudy parody of Batman. It was a horrible movie that killed the franchise for years.

When I was watching Jim's defense of this movie I kept thinking: is there a movie you won't defend? I don't care to revisit this movie and took at it though different perspective, I don't have enough time to watch all of the movies that I'd like to see. They should destroy the originals and put a bounty on all remaining copies. GRRRRR.
 

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Mr. freeze has been the start of this movie and the movie is worth watching for Arnold alone. everything else is just a bonus content.
Knight Anon said:
They should destroy the originals and put a bounty on all remaining copies. GRRRRR.
We should also burn all the bibles while were at it. Also ban rock music and seize anyone who does not delete all shooters. Because after all if i dont like it we should just destroy it.

Allow me to break the ice. My name is Freeze. Learn it well. For it's the chilling sound of your doom.
 

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TiberiusEsuriens said:
The only thing I liked about this movie was Arnold. He knows how to ham up anything and still make it enjoyable. To me that is his #1 defining quality as an actor.
I don't think that's intentional. He's just a bad actor, the hamminess is not a conscious choice - it's just who he is.
 

Diddy_Mao

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I'm sorry. I just can't go with you on this one.

In retrospect I don't think any of the Burton or Schumacher Batman movies really aged well but in terms of a good mix between Grimdark comic book Batman and goofy Superfriends Batman I think Batman Forever hit a good balance. Batman & Robin just took off running and never came back.

It's weird because I like Street Fighter and Mortal Kombat precisely because they're campy send-ups of their respective material, but I have nothing good to say about B&R.

If I had to venture a guess it's the fact that there's a notable difference between playful lampshading and contemptuous disregard and I think B&R falls squarely in the latter.
(See also: Virtually every adaptation Tim Burton gets his grotty mitts on.)
 

Imperioratorex Caprae

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Why I disliked the movie? George Clooney. I don't like him, and even through I love the Oceans movies, I just couldn't get past him in this role... Arnold was the ONLY good thing about the movie but after watching years of the Batman Animated Series, this was a slap in the face.