Movie Defense Force: Transformers

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Jimothy Sterling

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Transformers

Michael Bay is the worst human being alive, if you believe some people. Personally, I reckon he's just a guy doing all he knows how to do. Transformers is an example of that.

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Trucken

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Even though I didn't watch Transformers as a kid I still think this movie is a piece of shit. It's not as bad as the second one though.
 

ZZoMBiE13

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The movie is junk food film making. Which is fine if that's all your after. I think the backlash at this movie is that Transformers is ripe for some big idea sci-fi stuff.

Also Jim, I'm usually on your side. I prefer to remember the good than harp on about the bad. But Shia Lebooooooof is awful. Always. And there's just no defending that. Unless your his mum.
 

comadorcrack

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Challenge: Defend "The Last Airbender"

Golly gosh darn. I do not like that film.
 

Worgen

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Whatever, just wash your hands.
I actually liked it the first time I saw it, but I also saw it in a packed theater on opening night so the energy of the crowed really pulls you in, I got it on bluray when it was released and watched it again, and really didn't like it the second time. I think the big problem with the movie is that we all know what we wanted, we wanted giant robots doing giant robot things. The action scenes in the movie were pretty good for the most part, although all the diving and rolling got pretty silly after awhile. But, we didn't need all the human scenes, the whole thing with the hackers was completely pointless and personally I didn't like the Witwiki (too lazy to look up the spelling) plot at all. If your movie is called 'transformers' you really don't need a ton of buildup to get to the robots, actually if it was called something else and wasn't marketed as a movie about giant robots then it would have been a cool lil mystery and all the buildup would have worked, but its called transformers, the buildup just hurt it.
 

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I admit that the action in the first was interesting and the third was fun to watch (i was studying in Chicago at the time so it was a bit fun to see the landmarks that were around me be set pieces) but as a mecha anime fan and a fan of Transformers Armada, the designs are a bit jagged in a bad way. In addition, the parts with the humans were absolutely boring stuff about "go after her" or "i'll protect you" that got boring even in Gundam and Gundam at least has the dark moments to actually make these lines important; Transformers is far too light hearted for any of it to sink in, even Witwicky's death had no impact behind it
 

daxterx2005

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I personally liked the first transformers film, so this episode makes sense.
Now if you defend the next two.....I'll be shocked.
 

Callate

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I saw the movie. I have no particular enduring loyalty towards the cartoons, which I saw maybe half a dozen times through stay-at-home-and-watch-tv moments of childhood and friends' rentals of video tapes in college. I don't even have anything in particular against Shia LaBeouf, who I thought was actually pretty good in Holes and The Greatest Game Ever Played.

Transformers is crap. The characters are idiots who act in ridiculous ways to advance the laughably by-the-numbers excuse for a plot. Even the handful on interesting things they did, like Bumblebee having to communicate through his radio, they screwed up by the end, showing that they never understood what worked in the first place. It's plot and action are pretty much all borrowed from the tropes established by other movies, an excuse on which to hang techno- and military- fetishism and lingering shots of Megan Fox in a low-cut tank top.

It's one of a relatively few movies that made me come away from the theater telling others not to waste their time.
 

ritchards

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To be fair, this is making me want to rewatch the movie... with the Rifftrax commentary of course.
 

Vausch

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The first transformers movie never came across as terrible. It's not very good, but it's not terrible. 2 and 3 on the other hand.
 

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You know how the plot goes along so "snappily?" Because there is no plot. Literally. All there is in Transfomers is a series of events.

A glaring moment for me was that kid and the Autobots are trying to find his grandfather's glasses so they can find some McGuffin, and then he and the hot chick get kidnapped by the government agents to the McGuffin, making the search for the glasses completely moot. The whole plot works in this way. It gives the characters a pretense of a goal which manages to fall into their lap without any relation to their efforts to achieve said goal. But the movie glosses this over and moves on to the next bit so swiftly that most people don't notice and everyone does not care.

I only watched the first Transformers movie back when I still had HBO and HBO was running it ad nauseum. I didn't want to see the movie because I had been a fan back in the 80's when I was a kid, but now that I'm an adult I realize that Transformers is dog shit. Seriously. The toys were finicky and not much fun to play with except as a kind of Rubic's Cube were you need to figure out how to change them into a robot and back again. The were much too shaky and flimsy as action figures. The cartoon was a glorified toy commercial with the kind of bland characterization, inane plots and juvenile humor you'd expect in a children's show that does not hold up when watching it later in life. There's just nothing good about the franchise. So a movie version was not the sort of thing I wanted to see and neither should anybody else, honestly. It's like if cutting a flap pf skin off your penis was a common practice and no one question the stupidity of letting a sharp knife near your junk. Wake up, people!

That said, the movie is actually a step down from the old cartoons and whatnot. For starters, the Transformers are effectively cameos in their own movie. The cartoon at least focused on the robots as characters with that kid being just a audience surrogate to explain shit. The movie barely covered the robots at all. The were just kind of there. They weren't developed at all as characters.

I could harp on the robot designs, but I think it's sufficient to say they are terrible because every robot looks like every other robot. The only distinctive members were Bumblebee since he had a lot of yellow on him and Optimus Prime because he had red and blue on him. I defy anyone to tell one robot from another. This is not helped at all by the robots not really being introduced to us as character as noted above. I think the movie would have fared better with fans if they'd cut down the number of robots to two, maybe three per side and actually gave them personalities. A distinctive look would have also helped, but if we actually gave a shit when Jazz died... or noticed he was in the movie in the first place... it would have been enough for old school fans to accept this interpretation.

But the real problem is the heavy handed plotting described above. Every plot point happens not organically as part of the story but because some screenwriting formula dictates and plot point needs to happen now. It's effective if you don't think about it, like how it's fucking impossible to learn a language from Ebay as it's not a language translation site. But if you think about it even a little, the plot looks very, very thin. It's not a solid story. We call a story solid if the events are believable and an organic consequence of the action of the characters. It's 'solid' because you can dig into it and illusion of reality, which all stories attempt to achieve, is maintained the deeper you go. Transformers has a very thin story that if you think of it even a little, even while you're watching, the illusion of reality just crumbles into so much smoke and mirrors. the events have less connectivity than paintings in an art gallery. You can go from one painting to the next at the Van Gogh exhibit, but that narrative really isn't there. This is what the narrative of Transformers is like.

So, yeah. I didn't like the movie. Didn't even bother with the sequels, because who cares about them? And don't even like the IP anymore anyway because it was always terrible.

Maybe someday someone will make a Go-Bots movie.
 

Nurb

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But you couldn't tell what the god damn robots looked like, nor could you make out really wat was going on in the fight scenes.

Strapping a tiny camera on the head of a ferret and feeding it crack before letting it loose around the scene is no way to shoot a movie.
 

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Transformers didnt matter, they didnt mess up the characters. It was a movie. Now the Star Wars prequels, they change what you think of Darth Vader in the original movies. You can not write them off, its to late, you watched them and now Darth Vader is now a whiney kid and a pathetic adult. Great now you fucked up the character.
 

Pipotchi

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Transformers begins and ends with the Animated Movie for me.

You got the touch!!
 

mattttherman3

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Well, I still like the movie, I REALLY like the score of the movie, all 3 for that matter, except the linkin park song in the 3rd one, bleh. I liked revenge of the fallen, the movie kinda blew but what happened to the guy a few rows over in the theater was priceless. When Optimus died, he screamed, started balling and ran the fuck out. Oh man, so funny.
 

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I don't hate Transformers for 'ruining' the old cartoon, because, although it was a big part of my childhood, it was still kind of shit to begin with. I don't hate Transformers for having helicopters and explosions, although I wish I could have seen more clear shots of them. I don't hate it for having too few robots in it. I don't hate the robot designs.

I hate Transformers because of shit like the stupid parents, who are the cinematic equivalent of nails on a chalkboard. I hate transformers because they made all but two of the robots the same non-color, so you can hardly ever tell who is who (the choppy editing doesn't help).

Seriously, Jim, I usually agree with you about these, but, while the stuff you're talking about is present in the film, and is enjoyable on its own, it's surrounded by so much else that makes the overall viewing experience incredibly unpleasant.