MS might ban you if you use a swastika as an emblem on black ops

[Baneat]

Consider what Swastika actually means it's kinda stupid to ban people from using it.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Swastika

Jeez,it's like banning a Four Leaf Clover.

Completely irrelevant and you should know that. The use of the symbol has changed meaning, thus its meaning is now to associate with nazism. If people used the CND peace sign to represent murderers, and a murderer represents themself with the symbol, it becomes that.

Summing up

Symbols are irrelevant. The ideas they represent, are not.

 

[-Samurai-]

http://www.computerandvideogames.com/article.php?id=276956

I didn't even know you could make a swastika on black ops.

One of the guys I regularly play with, a former Marine, has a Swastika as his emblem.

I'm sure someone could easily pull a whole "freedom of speech" thing and get away with it(even though custom emblems aren't covered by that freedom).

What they should be working on is stopping all those stupid 14 year olds that have penis' for their emblems. Why would you want that?

You can't pull freedom of speech when it's private domain (Microsoft or whoever owns it)

If it were your own clothes, I'd say you're untouchable, but if you walk into a restaurant with them on and you tell them they either remove it or find someone to accomodate them, that's fine too. You couldn't tell them to remove it on a public street, and that's just fine.

I know, but they second someone screams that x company is violating their rights, they get their way. Even if it's just because the company doesn't want to be seen negatively by the people that aren't informed on the situation.

For discriminating against gays or something along that line, sure (Think of the guy that put gay in his XBL profile). If they wanted to do it, legally they can.

For discriminating against those sympathetic with the Nazi ideology, or are insensitive enough to place it in their emblem, I don't think many would start to oppose that, since they really have no freedom of speech in this area.

I mean, would you defend a troll?

The problem with that whole thing is the Swastika isn't just a Nazi symbol. It has many, many other meanings from different origins. The people that see it as only Nazi imagery are the people that are stopping the rest of us from using it for its other meanings.

Are kids gonna use it to troll? You bet. But the people that use it for other means shouldn't be punished for it.

 

[-Samurai-]

sorry double post

 

[Lunar Shadow]

Who would use a swastika anyway?

I can think of 2 categories:

1. Neo-Nazis
2. 13 year old boys

I think the gaming scene is better without either groups.

Buddhists

 

[Baneat]

http://www.computerandvideogames.com/article.php?id=276956

I didn't even know you could make a swastika on black ops.

One of the guys I regularly play with, a former Marine, has a Swastika as his emblem.

I'm sure someone could easily pull a whole "freedom of speech" thing and get away with it(even though custom emblems aren't covered by that freedom).

What they should be working on is stopping all those stupid 14 year olds that have penis' for their emblems. Why would you want that?

You can't pull freedom of speech when it's private domain (Microsoft or whoever owns it)

If it were your own clothes, I'd say you're untouchable, but if you walk into a restaurant with them on and you tell them they either remove it or find someone to accomodate them, that's fine too. You couldn't tell them to remove it on a public street, and that's just fine.

I know, but they second someone screams that x company is violating their rights, they get their way. Even if it's just because the company doesn't want to be seen negatively by the people that aren't informed on the situation.

For discriminating against gays or something along that line, sure (Think of the guy that put gay in his XBL profile). If they wanted to do it, legally they can.

For discriminating against those sympathetic with the Nazi ideology, or are insensitive enough to place it in their emblem, I don't think many would start to oppose that, since they really have no freedom of speech in this area.

I mean, would you defend a troll?

The problem with that whole thing is the Swastika isn't just a Nazi symbol. It has many, many other meanings from different origins. The people that see it as only Nazi imagery are the people that are stopping the rest of us from using it for its other meanings.

Are kids gonna use it to troll? You bet. But the people that use it for other means shouldn't be punished for t.

I am of the understanding that it is the Hindu sign for peace?

Well, now it has been poisoned, polluted by Nazism. The fact that it can be interpreted (I'm also of the understanding that when it's tilted it's the Nazi form) as a symbol for nazism means that if you were to use it to show peace, you could be flagged as a nazi. This symbol is taboo, if you want to symbolise peace there are other symbols you can use, because this one has been butchered.

 

[Mcface]

I think it's kinda silly, i mean you gave them the tools

Yeah it would have been like the old MP focused FPS games like Q3A and UT99 trying to stop me using all the Jesuses (Jesii? Whichever) that I made. I got booted from a couple of servers for using Black Jesus. Fucking racists.

Good times.
Although I see at least 6 crudely made penises for every one swastika.. and thats on PC.
That's not even counting the number of pink horses boning gorillas.
Is a swastika really the worst thing they have to worry about?

 

[The_Echo]

I would agree with them, except for the fact that the swastika has a load of positive meanings, with the only notable negative connotation being the use of it on the Nazi flag.

So yeah. I think they should just not even bother.

 

[Mcface]

Idiocy. If you're going to ban the swastika, then ban the hammer and sickle as well. It's responsible for as much, if not more, evil and carnage as the swastika.

Ah well... history is written by the victors, and all that.

The hammer and sickle is actually a standard symbol in the editor!
You think with the whole America v. Soviets the hammer and sickle would be equal to the swastika (seeing as Stalin killed countries full of people in eastern Europe for "treason")

 

[Ashsaver]

Completely irrelevant and you should know that. The use of the symbol has changed meaning, thus its meaning is now to associate with nazism. If people used the CND peace sign to represent murderers, and a murderer represents themself with the symbol, it becomes that.

Summing up

Symbols are irrelevant. The ideas they represent, are not.

To you, it might seems like a trivial thing,but to us Buddhists,It's a sign of disrespect (you ban our good luck charm because one of the biggest A-hole in the history uses it in their flag?)

It's like banning Inverted cross.

Well,i stated my point.

 

[MiracleOfSound]

Banning Swastikas is kinda understandable... wanna know what's really dumb?

You can't call your Assault Rifle class 'Assault', or your Hacker Perk class 'Hacker'.

 

[Grigori361]

Who would use a swastika anyway?

I can think of 2 categories:

1. Neo-Nazis
2. 13 year old boys

I think the gaming scene is better without either groups.

I am neither a neo nazi nor a 13 year old boy.

Even if I apparently have the maturity of one.

though it's really all just posturing at this point on my end since I A: don't have the game, and B: have no intention of getting it.

 

[Amishdemon]

Who would use a swastika anyway?

I can think of 2 categories:

1. Neo-Nazis
2. 13 year old boys

I think the gaming scene is better without either groups.

From what I heard on live they seem to be one in the same because I can't count how many times I've been called a ass-fag Jew on live by 13-year old boys. I can only assume that they are nazis making it so much sweeter when i shoot them in the face.

 

[WanderingFool]

I've seen at least two swastikas, a stupid amount of penises and bestiality. I guess that's what happens with that much emblem customisation... Some people will create a replica of the Mona Lisa... Some will make swastikas.

True... Actually, Ive also seen alot of good emblems... and someone with a fist up a guys ass...

 

[Sparcrypt]

To you, it might seems like a trivial thing,but to us Buddhists,It's a sign of disrespect (you ban our good luck charm because one of the biggest A-hole in the history uses it in their flag?)

It's like banning Inverted cross.

Well,i stated my point.

Yeah. Except the people who are doing it aren't doing it for those reasons. They're doing it knowing it represents the Nazi Regime and because they think it's funny.

Like the article says: you can't put context on these things and like it or not, the general public sees the swastika as a hate symbol.

As a Buddhist, surely you should be able to accept this rather then feeling disrespected over something which is clearly brought fourth by ignorance and not hatred of your culture?

 

[Iwata]

Idiocy. If you're going to ban the swastika, then ban the hammer and sickle as well. It's responsible for as much, if not more, evil and carnage as the swastika.

Ah well... history is written by the victors, and all that.

The hammer and sickle is actually a standard symbol in the editor!
You think with the whole America v. Soviets the hammer and sickle would be equal to the swastika (seeing as Stalin killed countries full of people in eastern Europe for "treason")

The USSR had a long and bloody history of genocide before Hitler was of any importance, a history it was all to eager to expand on after WWII. I do not condone the use of Nazi imagery at all, but I do say, however, that the double-standards of our society only make that prohibition seem petty.

 

[Baneat]

To you, it might seems like a trivial thing,but to us Buddhists,It's a sign of disrespect (you ban our good luck charm because one of the biggest A-hole in the history uses it in their flag?)

It's like banning Inverted cross.

Well,i stated my point.

Yeah. Except the people who are doing it aren't doing it for those reasons. They're doing it knowing it represents the Nazi Regime and because they think it's funny.

Like the article says: you can't put context on these things and like it or not, the general public sees the swastika as a hate symbol.

As a Buddhist, surely you should be able to accept this rather then feeling disrespected over something which is clearly brought fourth by ignorance and not hatred of your culture?

Agreeing with my defender Surely the symbol itself is completely trivial to a buddhist, only the idea behind it holds any significance. Are you really gonna allow room for someone to misinterpret your peaceful message just because you can then say ohwell I'm edgy cause we've been using it longer.

Symbols change

Get with the times. I'm not saying you can't use it, hell you can even still use it, but not on someone's private property apart from your own, and you can't complain if you're ever misinterpreted.


Oh, crap it represents good luck. I was fucked from the beginning, I can't reason with someone that believes in luck symbols, it's actually impossible to argue with them. I assumed it was peace.

 

[Rooster Cogburn]

Who would use a swastika anyway?

I can think of 2 categories:

1. Neo-Nazis
2. 13 year old boys

I think the gaming scene is better without either groups.

You forgot the third category:

3. Bronze age Indo-European settlers.

If I can't put a swastika on my online profile, pretty soon they won't let me sculpt a swatiska in relief on my Greek Minyanware pottery, either. My friend is an Anatolian Celt and he received a Sanskrit tablet from this Aryan he knows in India.

They're both pissed.

 

[EinTheCorgi]

ehh i think its fine...now the whole immature stuff like the dicks and horses fucking stuff is just retarded. like using the swastika doesn't mean your a nazi you may just really like nazi-zombies.

 

[Ranorak]

Consider what Swastika actually means it's kinda stupid to ban people from using it.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Swastika

Jeez,it's like banning a Four Leaf Clover.

Except of course the part where the Four Leaf Clover was never used by a party that committed genocide.
Symbols change, the nazi party using the swastika changed it's original meaning.

It stands for mass murder, genocide and anti-Semitism now.
And even most Hindu and Buddhists that play video games know this. So the only reason you'd use it is to be "edgy" or just a little prick.

 

[Counter_Southpaw]

Idiocy. If you're going to ban the swastika, then ban the hammer and sickle as well. It's responsible for as much, if not more, evil and carnage as the swastika.

Ah well... history is written by the victors, and all that.

The hammer and sickle is actually a standard symbol in the editor!
You think with the whole America v. Soviets the hammer and sickle would be equal to the swastika (seeing as Stalin killed countries full of people in eastern Europe for "treason")

The USSR had a long and bloody history of genocide before Hitler was of any importance, a history it was all to eager to expand on after WWII. I do not condone the use of Nazi imagery at all, but I do say, however, that the double-standards of our society only make that prohibition seem petty.

While were at it let's ban the Stars and Stripes as well. Everyone's guilty.