Multiple Consoles, do we need them?

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VZLANemesis

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Hyperion1 said:
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Hyperion1 said:
Please don't start something like this we don't need another console argument.
How is this a console argument? :S Read the fucking post?
Did you read my second post? Oh I guess not maybe you should pay more attention. Anything about consoles can turn into an argument. Have you ever been on any other forum EVER? Anyone brings up consoles it seems to just become a huge flame war.
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GoldenRaz said:
Multiple consoles = Necessary? Yes!
Console-exclusive games = Necessary? Hell No!
What the fuck? What exactly then would be the point of multiple consoles?
PSN vs. Xbox live market? don't get your point...
 

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GoldenRaz said:
Multiple consoles = Necessary? Yes!
Console-exclusive games = Necessary? Hell No!
Then whats the point in having multiple consoles? Exclusives ARE necessary or else whats the point in buying one console over another. Your logic is very flawed.
 

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-Seraph- said:
GoldenRaz said:
Multiple consoles = Necessary? Yes!
Console-exclusive games = Necessary? Hell No!
Then whats the point in having multiple consoles? Exclusives ARE necessary or else whats the point in buying one console over another. Your logic is very flawed.
You got ninja'ed
 

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There won't be a big bastard child. Even if there will be, they won't have any reason to make quality games, in which case there will (in due time) be some developer who's had it and starts it's own console up with it's own games that ARE of high quality. Naturally, there will be competition.
 

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One single console wont happen. But if Sony and Microsoft team up it would probably make the best console ever, a nice blend between what is good from both consoles and companies.
 

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No as several other people have said competition makes consoles better though racing to get your console out first is BAD. I'm talking to you microsoft =.=
But also the consoles appeal to different people, and to me the thought of the 3 companies making a super console equals an expensive disaster involving stupid nun chuck controllers.
 

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Correct me if I'm wrong but isn't it the GAME developers, NOT the CONSOLE developers, that decides if games are to be released on several platforms. Right?

So basically some of you might as well be saying that Universal should release both on DVD and Blu-ray as so give more competition. But that's besides the point! If I make a game, perhaps I don't want to release my game on Xbox simply because I don't think it's a wise decision to release it on PS3 for some reason, I don't see why I should do so simply so I don't create a monopoly on my games. It's I that has a monopoly on MY games, because it's I that is making and selling them, not Sony or Microsoft. Sure they probably get some license fee's, but still you get the idea.
 

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Sockerbit said:
Correct me if I'm wrong but isn't it the GAME developers, NOT the CONSOLE developers, that decides if games are to be released on several platforms. Right?
Microsoft and Sony pay the game developers to make the games exclusive, and make exclusive extra content, and make time-exclusive games, and etc.
So yeah, I correct you... you are wrong

ThePocketWeasel said:
But also the consoles appeal to different people, and to me the thought of the 3 companies making a super console equals an expensive disaster involving stupid nun chuck controllers.
Consoles appeal to different people? PS3 people and Xbox 360 different, really doubt it...
We're all gamers, we want access to all games and not just the ones MY console's company can buy to their side...
 

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VZLANemesis said:
GoldenRaz said:
Multiple consoles = Necessary? Yes!
Console-exclusive games = Necessary? Hell No!
What the fuck? What exactly then would be the point of multiple consoles?
PSN vs. Xbox live market? don't get your point...
-Seraph- said:
GoldenRaz said:
*same as above*
Then whats the point in having multiple consoles? Exclusives ARE necessary or else whats the point in buying one console over another. Your logic is very flawed.
Yes, it's not really a realistic thought that exclusives would stop being produced, but then they would compete about other things, like online, hardware, price etc. The same thing with other businesses: McDonalds has toys, Burger King does not (as far as I know), and that's really all the difference between the two. It's not like one has exclusive soda for you to buy or exclusive rights to have tomatoes on their hamburgers. The only difference is what they charge and their other services.

And no, I do NOT expect exclusives to ever truly disappear, but I don't think they need to exist just so that consoles have something to fight about. The only ones who gets punished by this are the consumers (i.e. we buyers).
 

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VZLANemesis said:
Consoles appeal to different people? PS3 people and Xbox 360 different, really doubt it...
We're all gamers, we want access to all games and not just the ones MY console's company can buy to their side...
Sorry, I meant to put in what I meant xD
Wii's appeal to younger people or people who want to play party type games. I find xbox and PS3 gamers to be more serious than Wii gamers.
But yeah PS3 and 360 gamers are pretty much they same, the majority of them also moan about how rubbish Wii graphics are and how crap the games are.
 

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if you have one console, the price can be set as high as the developers want. If you have two options, the price will come down (so that the person selling the better product for the price will sell more units).
 

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oliveira8 said:
Yes?

It keeps people on competition and releasing better consoles/games. Without competition the market would get stale as the sole console manufacter doesn't need to push any envelopes.

Basically if you the only guy running the Marathon are you actually going to tire yourself in winning it?

You already going to win it.
winning it is a good thing?

Anyways, I don't see the problem with games because games will have more competition against each other (Killzone won't just be competing with PS3 shooters, but every shooter). Console makers would definitely push the envelopes because with each iteration of consoles, they make a lot of money, and each generation of console needs to be significantly better than the previous generation or else the consumers would rather play with the old console until the new console gets dirt cheap with tons of games.

And people who argue for higher prices needs to understand that game prices will not behave differently than in a multi-console world because there are even more competition in a single console industry. But the problem is with consoles, however, that's not a major problem since in a single console industry, that console will have so many games in its generation that gamers can easily just wait till the new console drops in price by playing the old games.
 

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ThisNewGuy said:
oliveira8 said:
Yes?

It keeps people on competition and releasing better consoles/games. Without competition the market would get stale as the sole console manufacter doesn't need to push any envelopes.

Basically if you the only guy running the Marathon are you actually going to tire yourself in winning it?

You already going to win it.
winning it is a good thing?
Its not when you're the only guy in competition.

For a victory to feel satisfactory you really need to beat someone. If not no one is going to pay attencion to you.

"What? You beat no one? Okay..."
 

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oliveira8 said:
ThisNewGuy said:
oliveira8 said:
Yes?

It keeps people on competition and releasing better consoles/games. Without competition the market would get stale as the sole console manufacter doesn't need to push any envelopes.

Basically if you the only guy running the Marathon are you actually going to tire yourself in winning it?

You already going to win it.
winning it is a good thing?
Its not when you're the only guy in competition.

For a victory to feel satisfactory you really need to beat someone. If not no one is going to pay attencion to you.

"What? You beat no one? Okay..."
I think which ever company is in its own industry, winning is very satisfactory. That's like monopoly, way more satisfying than in a competition. Business is not a sports event, it's business. The goal is to eliminate competition.
 

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ThisNewGuy said:
oliveira8 said:
ThisNewGuy said:
oliveira8 said:
Yes?

It keeps people on competition and releasing better consoles/games. Without competition the market would get stale as the sole console manufacter doesn't need to push any envelopes.

Basically if you the only guy running the Marathon are you actually going to tire yourself in winning it?

You already going to win it.
winning it is a good thing?
Its not when you're the only guy in competition.

For a victory to feel satisfactory you really need to beat someone. If not no one is going to pay attencion to you.

"What? You beat no one? Okay..."
I think which ever company is in its own industry, winning is very satisfactory. That's like monopoly, way more satisfying than in a competition. Business is not a sports event, it's business. The goal is to eliminate competition.
For them yes. For the customers not.
 

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oliveira8 said:
For them yes. For the customers not.
Why not? It eliminates the stupid console war, and encourages video game wars, which isn't a bad thing because it means way more competition.
 

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ThisNewGuy said:
oliveira8 said:
For them yes. For the customers not.
Why not? It eliminates the stupid console war, and encourages video game wars, which isn't a bad thing because it means way more competition.
No. By having two/three consoles, it makes the makers of the consoles put out better consoles with better games on it.

Competition makes people work harder in outdoing others. Which means better stuff for the customer.

"Hey! If the PS1 sells why make a new one? Its not like anyone is releasing a better console?"