Mumbai Attack

[hypothetical fact]

If playing Fallout has taught me anything, it's that we'll all be fine, possibly, maybe.

The problem with this whole mess is that humans are foolish, stupid, petty creatures. We hunt, prey on, kill, and torture not only ourselves, but other species, because we believe we're superier. That being said, no one is off the scope on who causes what in these things. How many wars have been started because one side was just being stupid? It's sad to think that we are not safe anywhere (Not just us "Good ol'" USAians). At home, we could be killed in our sleep for our possesions or because some sicko wants our women(It happens). At work, we could be a target of domestic/international terrorism. Going on vacation... Well, I'm sure I need not state how many planes in this culture's past have become a terrorist's target. I can't even begin to find those numbers. Also remember, Americans are only now really being targeted, other countries have been hit long before... We just had a particularly harsh initiation. Being a New Yorker, I can attest to that.
What have I done to have someone blow me up while I'm getting coffee at a local coffee shop, or while I'm taking my family to the movies, or going out with my friends? These are questions people ask when this crap goes on. There is no answer that makes sense to logical thinkers. War is hell? No, war is at least more civilized than terrorism, even torture is more civilized, because at least it's the soldiers fighting and dieing, not innocent men, women and children, or children losing their parents because some fool with a god-complex decided to teach the infadels a lesson. It doesn't matter who does it, for even if you stop one, how will you stop them all? Power is what they seek, and they'll use and kill to get it.
Forgive the rambling, but I have lost faith in humanity. At least, though, we aren't controlled by the richest (Detached from reality, too?) people, whom have long forgotten how it's like to be a real person. Phew!

Right up until forgive the rambling I was reading that with the voice of George Bush playing in my head.

 

[stompy]

Islam is playing a dangerous game. If they continue to attack all other religions they could find themselves out of their depth and facing a global holy war that will inevitably lead to the total destruction of Islam. (hopefully very soon!)

Though, most Muslims are sane, rational people; the people who perpetrated this attack aren't a representation of the average Muslim. The vast majority of Muslims, like regular people, want an end to bloodshed. They don't want a 'jihad' waged on the 'infidels', they want to live their lives as regular people in a peaceful society.

Also, the last piece of your post disgusts me. That attitude ('kill the Muslims!') is what leads to the regular Muslim to engage in terrorist behaviour. If you want violence and more attacks, then keep spouting that nonsense; if you don't, I suggest you stop.

Edit:

The militants responsible claim to be a new group called "Deccan Al Qaeda".

Have I missed something, because last I heard, it was Deccan Mujahideen that were the perpetrators of these attacks.

(According to CNN: The terrorists are known as Deccan Muhajideen)

I just noticed this... it's Deccan Mujahideen, not Muhajideen. The former is the term used to refer to one who is taking part in jihad, while I've never heard of the latter before.

http://ishare.rediff.com/filevideo-2nd-Terrorist-speaks-from-Nariman-house-id-519881.php
listen to this...this clearly shows that attackers are not Pakistani...he is using hindi words

Urdu and Hindi are very similar languages. That, and North India and Pakistan are quite close, so it isn't totally out of the picture that these extremists are from Pakistan.

 

[facaldo]

Indian Govt have started naming Pakistan for the recent wave of terrorism. Apparently its purely an internal job. The guy who was talking on loudspeakers had 100% Indian/ Hyderabadi accent.

 

[facaldo]

I believe groups from Assam and other freedom fighters should also join the militants.

 

[facaldo]

http://ishare.rediff.com/filevideo-2nd-Terrorist-speaks-from-Nariman-house-id-519881.php
listen to this...this clearly shows that attackers are not Pakistani...he is using hindi words

 

[facaldo]

The Indian govt, media have a pathetic old habit of blaming Pakistan for everything that happens in their country without any investigations. Possibility of Pakistani involvement exists, but India retardedly ignores the homegrown possibilities in most cases.

 

[facaldo]

Official report as of a few hours ago was 160 dead and 375 wounded. The attacks were pretty well planned out and their has been some rumblings Pakistani SF or Pakistani founded groups might have had something to do with this.

i think you and indian Govt want people to believe that the attackers simply paddled a thousand kilometres into india, then magically found their way through indian streets to the hotels, railway station, hospital and they even magically knew where a jewish family was staying, the bunch of other stories like POF made grenades, liberation of Haider-abad Deccan and its union with Pakistan - LMAO

 

[hypothetical fact]

Facaldo why couldn't that quintuple post be edited into one? Also everyone needs to wait for investigations to commence before we start a witch hunt on Pakistan.

 

[stompy]

Also everyone needs to wait for investigations to commence before we start a witch hunt on Pakistan.

A very important thing that the global community needs to do is to maintain peace between India and Pakistan. Start a war there, and there's a high possibility that it might stir that hornet's nest that is The Middle East... a lot of people are advocating not hunting Pakistan until an inquiry is held because, should the global community have jumped the gun, or even if they haven't, we could end up with World War 3.

Also, both India and Pakistan have nuclear weapons...

 

[facaldo]

India-Pakistan Samjhota Express Blast: 60+ Dead
Posted on February 19, 2007
[At least 64 people have been killed in a series of explosions and a fire on a Pakistan-bound train in the northern Indian state of Haryana, officials say. Passengers reported hearing two blasts as the train passed near Panipat, about 80km (50 miles) north of Delhi. The train - the Samjhauta Express - was part of a service taking passengers from Delhi to Lahore in Pakistan. A spokesman for Indian Prime Minister Manmohan Singh said the explosions were probably an ?act of terror?. A number of other passengers were injured, and officials say the death toll may rise. The Samjhauta Express is one of two train services connecting India and Pakistan. After a two-year gap, it was reopened in 2004 as part of the peace process between the two countries.]

 

[facaldo]

Purohit supplied RDX for Samjhauta Express blast: ATS

Sat, Nov 15 06:31 PM

Malegaon blast accused Lieutenant Colonel P S Purohit on Saturday was produced before a Nashik court. The court remanded him to police custody till November 18.

The Anti-Terrorism Squad (ATS) claimed that Purohit supplied RDX for Samjhauta Express blast.

Public prosecutor Ajay Misar said Malegaon blast accused Lt Col Purohit had links in Samjautha Express blast. He handed RDX to one 'Bhagwan'.


Ajay Misar further said Abhinav Bharat treasurer Ajay Rahirkar had handed Rs 2.5 lakh to Lt Col P S Purohit.

Lt Col P S Purohit denied being tortured by the ATS.
'We are disturbed by political insinuations'

The Maharashtra police are disturbed due to the insinuations made by political parties over the investigations into the September 29 Malegaon blasts, its chief A N Roy said on Saturday.

"We are disturbed by these insinuations... political parties should allow us to investigate without making such statements," DGP Roy told a private news channel.

Stating that the probe into the blasts that claimed six lives is reaching its final stages, Roy said, adding "every arrest made in the case is backed by strong evidence."

Roy's remarks come in the backdrop of various political leaders, particularly those belonging to the Opposition Shiv Sena-BJP alliance, questioning the way the blast investigations are being carried out.

An army officer, Lt Col P S Purohit, is among those arrested in connection with the blasts, being probed by the state's Anti-Terrorism Squad (ATS), in the weavers' town of North Maharashtra.





http://in.news.yahoo.com/48/20081115/804/t...jhauta-e_2.html

 

[Logan Keller]

Shame about what happened. I feel sorry for the families of the dead & wounded and I hope those responsible for this will be brought to justice. Also facaldo please learn the use of the edit button.

 

[Milford Cubicle]

Islam is playing a dangerous game. If they continue to attack all other religeons they could find themselves out of their depth and facing a global holy war that will inevitably lead to the total destruction of Islam. (hopefully very soon!)

You're a biggoted prick.

 

[facaldo]

Islam is playing a dangerous game. If they continue to attack all other religeons they could find themselves out of their depth and facing a global holy war that will inevitably lead to the total destruction of Islam. (hopefully very soon!)

You're a biggoted prick.

lolz
Islam is the second largest religion in the United Kingdom with a total of 1,591,000, (or 2.8% of the total population) Muslims.
This community numbers about 1.3-1.5 billion people, roughly one-fifth of the world population. This community is spread across many different nations and ethnic groups connected only by religion.

 

[facaldo]

OMG India named among 20 most dangerous places.
http://www.ndtv.com/convergence/ndtv/mumbaiterrorstrike/Election_Story.aspx?ID=NEWEN20080074678&type=News

 

[Milford Cubicle]

Why thanks! I'm not really sure what kind of prick you are, besides an ignorant one!

An opionated prick. A Marxist prick. A boring prick. But not a racist prick.

I don't like Islam. I make no apologies for this.
My obvious bias against Islam is based on study, you bias is based on political correctness and loony left ignorance.

Not political correctness nor ignorance, but acceptance of other cultures.

Polls show that in many Islamic countries a majority of Muslims lionize the man responsible for the atrocities of September 11th and the terrorist gangs who routinely slaughter civilians in Israeli buses and restaurants.

Which polls? Show me.

In Arab schools and on Arab television, children are taught the glory of becoming suicide bombers. Almost everywhere that Islam borders other cultures, there is violence.

Proof?

Oh and to top it all off; this religeon is based on the claims of a man who married a nine year old girl!

This time I must claim ignorance. I didn't know that.

Annd this religeon to this day defends sex whith children as young as 6 or 7 as being ok because they're married!

Proof needed again, my friend.

So fuck you toilet cubicle!

This did make me laugh.

 

[Robert0288]

My obvious bias against Islam is based on study, you bias is based on political correctness and loony left ignorance.

First, obligatory Orry? If he was bias on political correctness he would be agreeing with almost every single one of your arguements, as western political correctness is exactly what your describing in your following arguements.

[quote
With few exceptions (Turkey, for example), Islamic countries are fascist, autocratic or theocratic, where women are subjugated and minorities persecuted. [/quote]
There is nothing wrong with a theocratic governmental structure so long as it respects the rights of minorities. Also most middle eastern countries do have elections, some even have more than a single party.

Polls show that in many Islamic countries a majority of Muslims lionize the man responsible for the atrocities of September 11th and the terrorist gangs who routinely slaughter civilians in Israeli buses and restaurants.

First; Pics or it didn't happen on the polls, this I want to see. Also you fail on having an objectified view. Lets switch positions for 1 min. Only in the last 60 years was it deemed un acceptable to attack civilians. What the terrorists have done was continue warfare in the historical sense from whats been going on since the dawn of man. Read some of Sun Tzu, and stragegies that Alexander the Great or Napolean used, even the ancient greeks, and even WW2. Attacking the country's power base wether it is economic, social, political was/IS considered smart, as is the element of surprise.

From the view point of your typical Iraqi (atleast the ones I've spoken to have have been lucky enough to get out after the invasion) say that even though life under saddam was hard, and challenging the political authority was extremely dangerous, atleast there was peace and order in their lives, which is the goal of government according to Hobbes. The base american philosophy of government has always been the City on the Hill arguement and cooincides with Locke (who was a racist, bigot, and social elite. Take a look at your own constitution and tell me otherwise).

In Arab schools and on Arab television, children are taught the glory of becoming suicide bombers. Almost everywhere that Islam borders other cultures, there is violence.

You honor your soldiers when they go to war, infact most people idiolze them. This is no different to people who die for their beliefs even if they are against yours, political change is never easy, or bloodless. Also it doesn't help that you used violence inorder to change THEIR governmental structure without a strong base support from the local populous. Oh yes and learn cultural relitivism, it will explain alot here. Even if you don't agree with it, learn it and use it. It helps explain alot.

Oh and to top it all off; this religeon is based on the claims of a man who married a nine year old girl! Annd this religeon to this day defends sex whith children as young as 6 or 7 as being ok because they're married!

Its all cultural relitivism. The greeks did it all the time, infact many mariages where arranged before birth, and incase you don't like the greeks lets take a look at Christianity from about ooooo I dunno, maybe since the begining till the 19th century when pre-arranged marriages where stil common among the ruling class. In the prelude to WW1, all the the major players where related in some way. William of Orange and Nikolai (whats his name) who where cousins.

So fuck you toilet cubicle!

lol, also good topic, but definatly got side tracked. TBH, I'm surprised India isn't much higher on the most dangerous countries list. They have a HUGE disparity of wealth where the majority of the country is dirt poor except in certain cities. They are at almost a permanent state of war with Pakistan, they have successionist movements in the east, west, North, and problems with the Tamils in the south. Earlier this year there were massive religious riots. Right now India is doing what any country would do. Take their problems and try to externalize them, attempting to quell these internal problems and focus it on another target, in this case pakistan.

 

[orifice]

Here's the proof I can point you to.

Track down "undercover mosque" Which was a documentary shown on channel 4 you might find it on a torrent. There isa muslim cleric defending islamic paedophilia, claiming "it's not paedophilia it's marriage."

http://www.channel4.com/news/articles/dispatches/undercover+mosque/158390
A number of other issues you require "proof" on are also covered.
Before any one tries to say that this documentary is misleading and innacurate, don't bother the police already tried see this link for details

http://www.guardian.co.uk/media/2008/aug/22/channel4.islam?gusrc=rss&feed=uknews

Incidentally I'm a nationalist not a racist, there is a difference.

EDIT: fount torrent links!
The original programme
http://btjunkie.org/torrent/Undercover-Mosque-2007-plus-misc-Islam-related/4117e1985fce8edd04ec81b3b601d23a14e30e48144b
The follow up programme
http://www.mininova.org/tor/1783597

 

[Robert0288]

Islam is a religion, I've spoken to both American and Canadian people who identify themselfs as nationalistic who also believe in Islam. Relgion has nothing to do with nationhood (except if you take the term nation in an academic sence, but then I would be argueing this differently)

All religions have their extremists and loonies, preaching for things against atheistic western political correctness even Christianity. So I fail to see your argument as rational, except if you like completly ignoring one side of the arguement.

 

[cainx10a]

Here's the proof I can point you to.

Track down "undercover mosque" Which was a documentary shown on channel 4 you might find it on a torrent. There isa muslim cleric defending islamic paedophilia, claiming "it's not paedophilia it's marriage."

http://www.channel4.com/news/articles/dispatches/undercover+mosque/158390
A number of other issues you require "proof" on are also covered.
Before any one tries to say that this documentary is misleading and innacurate, don't bother the police already tried see this link for details

http://www.guardian.co.uk/media/2008/aug/22/channel4.islam?gusrc=rss&feed=uknews

Incidentally I'm a nationalist not a racist, there is a difference.

No, you are a racist and a Nationalist. And it's funny, the British Empire, is partly responsible to today's world crisis thanks to their bigoted views of Mohammedan (Or Followers of Muhammed, word employed by Churchill to describe his disgust of this 'backward religion') (sp) back in the days.