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facaldo

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orifice said:
Here's the proof I can point you to.

Track down "undercover mosque" Which was a documentary shown on channel 4 you might find it on a torrent. There isa muslim cleric defending islamic paedophilia, claiming "it's not paedophilia it's marriage."

http://www.channel4.com/news/articles/dispatches/undercover+mosque/158390
A number of other issues you require "proof" on are also covered.
Before any one tries to say that this documentary is misleading and innacurate, don't bother the police already tried see this link for details

http://www.guardian.co.uk/media/2008/aug/22/channel4.islam?gusrc=rss&feed=uknews

Incidentally I'm a nationalist not a racist, there is a difference.
orifice said:
Here's the proof I can point you to.

Track down "undercover mosque" Which was a documentary shown on channel 4 you might find it on a torrent. There isa muslim cleric defending islamic paedophilia, claiming "it's not paedophilia it's marriage."

http://www.channel4.com/news/articles/dispatches/undercover+mosque/158390
A number of other issues you require "proof" on are also covered.
Before any one tries to say that this documentary is misleading and innacurate, don't bother the police already tried see this link for details

http://www.guardian.co.uk/media/2008/aug/22/channel4.islam?gusrc=rss&feed=uknews

Incidentally I'm a nationalist not a racist, there is a difference.
you are racist .
 

Milford Cubicle

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See, assuming all Islam is like that one cleric, is like assuming every Christian is like those mental bastards from the Westboro Baptist Church.

http://www.en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Westboro_Baptist_Church.html
 

facaldo

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"Marriage in Islam is regulated by certain rules, namely, children must reach puberty and maturity so that they can get married,"

http://www.islamawareness.net/Marriage/Child/childmarriages.html
 

Lord_Of_Plum

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My mother's side of the family resides only 20 miles away from where the attacks took place. And someone that I know died from the attacks; he was a cook at the Taj.
 

orifice

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facaldo said:
"Marriage in Islam is regulated by certain rules, namely, children must reach puberty and maturity so that they can get married,"

http://www.islamawareness.net/Marriage/Child/childmarriages.html
This directly contradicts the words of the Imam on the documentary, I would say this site is misleading PR site for Islam. If it were necessary for a child to reach puberty then why did mohammed marry a 9 year old? Also, I remember press coverage of a court case, from when I was young. In this court case a 60+ muslim immigrant was ordered by the court to stay away from his wife because she was only seven years old. I'm going to try and dig up the details if its possible and post them.
 

rayman 101

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I hate when so many innocent people are mindlessly slaughtered. Fucking extrimists/terrorists! I'm very sad for the families that lost their loved ones in that attack.
 

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I hate all organized religion because it only results in BS like this going down. It really time we disband this backwater superstition and realize that whatever this mystical thing called life is we need to treasure it and make up our own minds on what we belive instead of telling the masses what they should belive.
 

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So long as you don't go "my way or the highway" on religion I do not care what religion you are. If anything, any religion taken with a dose of reality and reason will make you a better person. I am Roman Catholic, and I do not impose my morals on anyone else, and I would like to believe that I can see all parts of an arguement and try to be as unbias as possible.

However I also believe religion has helped me become a better person, and has shaped my moral compas and values to help me make good decisions.
 

facaldo

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orifice said:
facaldo said:
"Marriage in Islam is regulated by certain rules, namely, children must reach puberty and maturity so that they can get married,"

http://www.islamawareness.net/Marriage/Child/childmarriages.html
This directly contradicts the words of the Imam on the documentary, I would say this site is misleading PR site for Islam. If it were necessary for a child to reach puberty then why did mohammed marry a 9 year old? Also, I remember press coverage of a court case, from when I was young. In this court case a 60+ muslim immigrant was ordered by the court to stay away from his wife because she was only seven years old. I'm going to try and dig up the details if its possible and post them.

the Age of Hadrat Ayesha (ra) during the time of nikah is controversial as different narrations give different age, some even give 16-17 ,
http://www.orkut.com/Main#CommMsgs.aspx?cmm=3126&tid=5264121460870542556
Hence thats also not a matter on which Muslim Nation agrees,
 

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Robert0288 said:
In the prelude to WW1, all the the major players where related in some way. William of Orange and Nikolai (whats his name) who where cousins.
Think you mean King George of England, Kaiser Wilhelm of Germany and Nicholas Romanov of Russia. All cousins.

This whole business is pretty sickening, it's a shame human nature so generally violent.
=]
 

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MistAlchemist said:
Thats a very senseless attack. .
anyway, they've been doing since the last
years. bombing without reason. .
They do have a reason for doing so. Everyone has a reason for their actions, and this is no different. Terrorists or religious extremists don't wake up one day and say to themselves "Hmm... What could I do to look like a real dick today? I know! I'll blow up a hotel in India!".

This whole attack seems to me like the new 9/11. Big tragedy, everyone gets teary and then goes on about how the "war on terror" needs to continue and prevail.
 

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Nationalisim for your country is a great thing I am a Nationalist (Austrailia) and you just PWNED that guy GJ!
 

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cainx10a said:
No, you are a racist and a Nationalist. And it's funny, the British Empire, is partly responsible to today's world crisis thanks to their bigoted views of Mohammedan (Or Followers of Muhammed, word employed by Churchill to describe his disgust of this 'backward religion') (sp) back in the days.
facaldo said:
you are racist .
Both of you are incorrect and like to play high and mighty by judging people it seems. He is not a racist as Islam is not a race, it is a religion. He simply said he hates Islam, not "I hate Arabs". As there are other races besides Arabs who are Islamic (I for one know someone who is originally Kenyan who is Muslim), it cannot be racism to hate this particular relogion. I for one have no particular like for Islam and I believe some of his arguement is correct though flawed, I wont explain my theory as it will just cause more flaming. Thank you and please think before you accuse people of being this or that.
 

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Daeres said:
So it's still going on with at least one militant holed up in the Taj Mahal hotel, has cost probably over 150 lives and caused 370+ injuries, massive damage to relations between Pakistan and India, and was probably carried out by the Pakistani ISI without government backing to sabotage relations between the two governments. That organisation is a menace to the region that needs to be brought to justice.
TIPS TO STOP THE ESCAPIST HOLY WAR:
DO NOT POST A TOPIC IF IT HAS ANYTHING TO DO AT ALL WITH RELIGION.
 

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Robert0288 said:
So long as you don't go "my way or the highway" on religion I do not care what religion you are. If anything, any religion taken with a dose of reality and reason will make you a better person. I am Roman Catholic, and I do not impose my morals on anyone else, and I would like to believe that I can see all parts of an arguement and try to be as unbias as possible.

However I also believe religion has helped me become a better person, and has shaped my moral compas and values to help me make good decisions.
Although somewhat irrelevant to the topic, I salute you, good sir. I'm fine with anyone believing anything they want providing I don't have to listen to it. -REALLY- gets to me when religion sticks in my face.

One edit on your post though..

Robert0288 said:
If anything, any religion taken with a dose of reality and reason will make you a better person.
Except Scientology.

Anyway, on a more relevant note, I wish people would stop killing each other in the name of some deity. Surely a godlike figure could kill whoever he wanted anyway, were they "meant" to die.
 

facaldo

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cainx10a said:
I thought it was Muslims Terrorists/Extremists who were behind this act of terror. Although, it may be related to how Muslims are being treated in Indian more than Pakistanis trying to start messing around with the Indian government, note that the terrorists did look more like random joes, and kids, than trained soldiers. (According to CNN: The terrorists are known as Deccan Muhajideen)
If you were going to attack another country and wanted it to look like a terrorist attack would tell your men to wear their uniforms? While Pakistan is denying everything I wouldn't be surprised if they had a hand in this, even if not directly.
yes Pakistan is denying because When Pakistani forces say they have killed five Al-Qaeda, when they say Rashid Rauf has been killed in a drone attack, Pakistani peoples and media are asking them questions, show us the bodies. But Indian are not asking important questions.

There are 500 nautical miles between Karachi and Gujarat, and the Indian Govt is saying the terrorists came in boats from Karachi. Why are they not questioning the failure of their intelligence agencies?
 

facaldo

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Logan Keller said:
Shame about what happened. I feel sorry for the families of the dead & wounded and I hope those responsible for this will be brought to justice. Also facaldo please learn the use of the edit button.
Logan Keller said:
Shame about what happened. I feel sorry for the families of the dead & wounded and I hope those responsible for this will be brought to justice. Also facaldo please learn the use of the edit button.
this new evidence in the Samjhauta Express pointing a finger at a Hindutva militant group has come up a one reason why the Indian Govt should have been less hasty in arriving at its conclusions.
Indian Govt and media are overcommitted to projecting India as a success story. They are not used to reporting state failures. They are used to reporting India as a country where nothing bad happens, its Army as the best thing in the world. It projects its heroes as supermen, taller than the Himlayas So the gap between what the Indian Govt and media are committed to reporting, and the crass state failure they had to do report [in Mumbai], they ended up filling it with lies
 

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My friend's brother was staying in one of the attacked hotels, he was scouting bands when the events happened so he is fine.
 

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From what I've heard, the Indian government was warned that an attack was going to happen. If I recall correctly, fishermen reported that unknown ships were unloading large amounts of crates, and the owner of the Taj Hotel was given warning, which he passed onto the government. I'll try and find a source for this.
 

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[sarcasm]Yeah! Terrorist strengthen feud between two Nuclear Carrying Countries. [/sarcasm]

Ah the result when people don't have a common enemy. They blow each other up. This is really a itchy situation because of how much hate the Pakistanis have of India.

The upside? If they eliminate each other we have 1.3 Billion Less mouths to feed, and Osama Bin Latin will be dead.

The Downside? Well 1.1 Billion people who will reincarnate into cock roaches(I a nuclear wasteland thats an upgrade) / .2 billion who will go to heaven. All of products from China will need lead (although I don't think thats exactly true because I doubt that the Radiation will flow over the Himalaya) and most importantly Gandhi died for absolutely nothing.

So for the sake of Gandhi! don't kill each other!