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Grey Day for Elcia

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Between 300 and 500 people, predominately women and children, are massacred, tortured and raped. Their homes are burned to the ground and the land around them razed with fire. Unarmed, they were dragged from their houses in the early morning and gunned down amidst the screams of horror from relatives and neighbours. The bodies of victims, including children, and newborns, are later found bearing signs of mutilation.

The village that played host to the brutal massacre, My Lai, is occupied almost entirely by women and children, with the male population having joined the conflict that consumed Vietnam. The night before the attack, news was heard that there were no enemy combatants in the village. The order to continue the planned assault was made. Charlie Company was instructed by their commanding officers to "kill them all" and to burn down the homes and pollute the wells. The orders went so far as to shoot any animals they might find.

The men of C Company use their bayonets and grenades as well as their automatic weapons to murder any citizen they see fit. Several groups of some 60 plus Vietnamese are round up and gunned down at point blank range. Once the majority of the inhabitants lay dead, the men perform a search for resistance fighters. None are found. The order is given to resume rounding up any remaining villagers and to "eliminate" them. Even pets are slain.

The brutality of the massacre is shocking and I advise only those not easily upset to view the following images:









A helicopter pilot flying overhead caught site of the growing numbers of dead and decided to inspect, later telling the courts he saw "many dead women and children" and "soldiers hitting a woman to the ground and shooting her in the head". That man, Warrant Officer One Hugh Thompson, Jr., saved 16 innocent people by landing his helicopter and taking them to safety. Hugh spoke to several soldiers at the site of the slaughter. He asked if he could lift the wounded out from a ditch where the soldiers had been pilling up bodies indiscriminately. The reply was a cold "I will put them out of their misery". Shocked and confused, Hugh boarded his helicopter and returned to base to report the horror. He testified that before leaving he witnessed several soldiers begin firing into the ditch where the dead and dying alike where tossed.

Only one man was ever convicted of a crime resulting from the mass killings, rapes and torture. The current system of criminal trial generally doesn't allow individual soldiers to be prosecuted for actions they perform while following orders. Usually only the commanding officer who orders the action may be held accountable. I won't use his name as I don't believe he deserves to be remembered, but that man was sentences to three and a half years house arrest.

Few people know this event ever occurred.

The system is broken.

The system needs repair.

If not for the justice of victims past, then for victims future--no doubt there will be many.
 

BathorysGraveland

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Hmm.. I guess this must have been the inspiration for that one village scene in Platoon. Well, no one said war was a nice event, Vietnam was a particularly brutal one from my knowledge.
 

Soviet Steve

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The fellow in OP was apparently one William Calley.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_Calley

The issue was apparently cover-ups amongst the lower ranks and the fellow can charitably be described as being of unsound mind. I don't quite see how a 1971 trial shows that the present system is broken. Are we to discredit gaming because the Odyssey 1 didn't make much money compared to the film industry?
 

Esotera

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Good luck trying to get something like this to stick in anything that resembles civilian justice. The armed forces protect their own, and it's incredibly hard to actually get any evidence on crimes like these that will lead to convictions. It sucks but is just a product of war.
 

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Not to mention the actions of that that bastard Richard Nixon. He obstructed the courts from bringing this scumbag to justice. William Calley and his accomplices - in fact everyone responsible for the My Lai Massacre - should have been hung, drawn, and quartered. Soldiers complicit in intentional war crimes are not heroes. And in my book, just following orders is no excuse.

However, it is a relief to hear of the actions of Hugh Thompson and his crew.

Liquidacid23 said:
meh it was war and in war terrible shit happens... this is neither exceptional in that nor a rare thing

not saying this was justified in any way but it is pointless to argue over it at this point... I mean that was 44 years ago the soldier involved is now a senior citizen and probably already dead... you couldn't get justice even if you tried... not to mention it in no way proves anything about the current system... also it's WAR no matter the "system" you have in place atrocities will always happen it's part of the game
That's no excuse. This could have easily been averted if the commander wasn't a freaking incompetent psychopath, and if his men had the discretion to question his orders which obviously violated a thousand paragraphs of the Geneva Convention. I think it is reflected a lot by the current system. Similar things have happened very recently, albeit on a smaller scale. The system can be changed to provide safeguards against massacres, intentional and unintentional.

People bang on about the Holocaust, but no-one ever brings up the atrocities caused by the "good guys". Not enough people are aware of the war crimes perpetrated by their own military. If people can pursue nazi criminals after 70 years, I think it safe to say that we can go after Vietnam War criminals.
 

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Grey Day for Elcia said:
16/03/68

Between 300 and 500 people, predominately women and children, are massacred, tortured and raped. Their homes are burned to the ground and the land around them razed with fire. Unarmed, they were dragged from their houses in the early morning and gunned down amidst the screams of horror from relatives and neighbours. The bodies of victims, including children, and newborns, are later found bearing signs of mutilation.

The village that played host to the brutal massacre, My Lai, is occupied almost entirely by women and children, with the male population having joined the conflict that consumed Vietnam. The night before the attack, news was heard that there were no enemy combatants in the village. The order to continue the planned assault was made. Charlie Company was instructed by their commanding officers to "kill them all" and to burn down the homes and pollute the wells. The orders went so far as to shoot any animals they might find.

The men of C Company use their bayonets and grenades as well as their automatic weapons to murder any citizen they see fit. Several groups of some 60 plus Vietnamese are round up and gunned down at point blank range. Once the majority of the inhabitants lay dead, the men perform a search for resistance fighters. None are found. The order is given to resume rounding up any remaining villagers and to "eliminate" them. Even pets are slain.

The brutality of the massacre is shocking and I advise only those not easily upset to view the following images:









A helicopter pilot flying overhead caught site of the growing numbers of dead and decided to inspect, later telling the courts he saw "many dead women and children" and "soldiers hitting a woman to the ground and shooting her in the head". That man, Warrant Officer One Hugh Thompson, Jr., saved 16 innocent people by landing his helicopter and taking them to safety. Hugh spoke to several soldiers at the site of the slaughter. He asked if he could lift the wounded out from a ditch where the soldiers had been pilling up bodies indiscriminately. The reply was a cold "I will put them out of their misery". Shocked and confused, Hugh boarded his helicopter and returned to base to report the horror. He testified that before leaving he witnessed several soldiers begin firing into the ditch where the dead and dying alike where tossed.

Only one man was ever convicted of a crime resulting from the mass killings, rapes and torture. The current system of criminal trial generally doesn't allow individual soldiers to be prosecuted for actions they perform while following orders. Usually only the commanding officer who orders the action may be held accountable. I won't use his name as I don't believe he deserves to be remembered, but that man was sentences to three and a half years house arrest.

Few people know this event ever occurred.

The system is broken.

The system needs repair.

If not for the justice of victims past, then for victims future--no doubt there will be many.
You are correct.

I'm not sure what system you are referring to, but if it the US military, it was reformed post-Vietnam for obvious reasons. If by system you mean, "Why have the masses not heard of this." then well, reform to your hearts content and post more of this.
 

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I just realized that I'm a horrible person. I saw the text saying that the following images are graphic, and I thought "ALL images are graphic. The word "graphic" means that it's visual." Yeah, THAT is what I thought of...

On topic though, don't people already know that Vietnam was awful?
 

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MammothBlade said:
Not to mention the actions of that that bastard Richard Nixon. He obstructed the courts from bringing this scumbag to justice. William Calley and his accomplices - in fact everyone responsible for the My Lai Massacre - should have been hung, drawn, and quartered. Soldiers complicit in intentional war crimes are not heroes. And in my book, just following orders is no excuse.

However, it is a relief to hear of the actions of Hugh Thompson and his crew.

Liquidacid23 said:
meh it was war and in war terrible shit happens... this is neither exceptional in that nor a rare thing

not saying this was justified in any way but it is pointless to argue over it at this point... I mean that was 44 years ago the soldier involved is now a senior citizen and probably already dead... you couldn't get justice even if you tried... not to mention it in no way proves anything about the current system... also it's WAR no matter the "system" you have in place atrocities will always happen it's part of the game
That's no excuse. This could have easily been averted if the commander wasn't a freaking incompetent psychopath, and if his men had the discretion to question his orders which obviously violated a thousand paragraphs of the Geneva Convention. I think it is reflected a lot by the current system. Similar things have happened very recently, albeit on a smaller scale. The system can be changed to provide safeguards against massacres, intentional and unintentional.

People bang on about the Holocaust, but no-one ever brings up the atrocities caused by the "good guys". Not enough people are aware of the war crimes perpetrated by their own military. If people can pursue nazi criminals after 70 years, I think it safe to say that we can go after Vietnam War criminals.
Hugh is a hero.

That the first few replies were 'meh' is... sad, to me. I believe someone once said "apathy is a crime we are all guilty of." I agree.

Queen Michael said:
I just realized that I'm a horrible person. I saw the text saying that the following images are graphic, and I thought "ALL images are graphic. The word "graphic" means that it's visual." Yeah, THAT is what I thought of...

On topic though, don't people already know that Vietnam was awful?
Most people do exactly that--"boy, Vietnam sure sucked." "Yup." And that's it. No one knows the names of the real heroes. No one cares enough to learn about the innocent people who should be remembered. "War sucks" is disgraceful; it's dismissive, rude, and naive.

Two towers fall and the world stops. Troops burn down a village, urinate on dead enemies, torture prisoners of war, drop a fucking nuclear weapon on civilian cities and the double-take lasts all of one second.
 

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I thought My Lai was kinda well known. There are books about it and everything.
Ask a few random people the following:

"What is My Lai?"

It's heartbreaking that so many people were so brutally massacred and your average person has no damn clue. If it happens in America, the world hears about it for a week. Happens somewhere else or at the hands of Americans, "these things happen."
 

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I'm not suprised few people know about it in America. It sounds like the kind of thing the American government would try to ignore.
It's a standard part of the high school history curriculum in the UK though.
 

KeyMaster45

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Cool story bro, maybe try altering the date from 1968 on your copypasta next time and you might actually manage to incite some misplaced rage.
 

Forgetitnow344

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Weird history lesson. I learned about this in high school.

But OP, you should really take down those photos because the mods will come down on you for posting graphic images even in spoiler tags. I know from experience.
 

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Grey Day for Elcia said:
MammothBlade said:
Not to mention the actions of that that bastard Richard Nixon. He obstructed the courts from bringing this scumbag to justice. William Calley and his accomplices - in fact everyone responsible for the My Lai Massacre - should have been hung, drawn, and quartered. Soldiers complicit in intentional war crimes are not heroes. And in my book, just following orders is no excuse.

However, it is a relief to hear of the actions of Hugh Thompson and his crew.

Liquidacid23 said:
meh it was war and in war terrible shit happens... this is neither exceptional in that nor a rare thing

not saying this was justified in any way but it is pointless to argue over it at this point... I mean that was 44 years ago the soldier involved is now a senior citizen and probably already dead... you couldn't get justice even if you tried... not to mention it in no way proves anything about the current system... also it's WAR no matter the "system" you have in place atrocities will always happen it's part of the game
That's no excuse. This could have easily been averted if the commander wasn't a freaking incompetent psychopath, and if his men had the discretion to question his orders which obviously violated a thousand paragraphs of the Geneva Convention. I think it is reflected a lot by the current system. Similar things have happened very recently, albeit on a smaller scale. The system can be changed to provide safeguards against massacres, intentional and unintentional.

People bang on about the Holocaust, but no-one ever brings up the atrocities caused by the "good guys". Not enough people are aware of the war crimes perpetrated by their own military. If people can pursue nazi criminals after 70 years, I think it safe to say that we can go after Vietnam War criminals.
Hugh is a hero.

That the first few replies were 'meh' is... sad, to me. I believe someone once said "apathy is a crime we are all guilty of." I agree.

Queen Michael said:
I just realized that I'm a horrible person. I saw the text saying that the following images are graphic, and I thought "ALL images are graphic. The word "graphic" means that it's visual." Yeah, THAT is what I thought of...

On topic though, don't people already know that Vietnam was awful?
Most people do exactly that--"boy, Vietnam sure sucked." "Yup." And that's it. No one knows the names of the real heroes. No one cares enough to learn about the innocent people who should be remembered. "War sucks" is disgraceful; it's dismissive, rude, and naive.

Two towers fall and the world stops. Troops burn down a village, urinate on dead enemies, torture prisoners of war, drop a fucking nuclear weapon on civilian cities and the double-take lasts all of one second.
The reason most people are "meh" about it is because it happened over forty years ago. Most of the people on this forum were not even alive back then. This is like bringing up the Holocaust and saying something should be done about it.