Murders and Rapes 500 ? Sentenced to House Arrest
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Grey Day for Elcia said:
You're judging the acts of war as evil when your lifestyle was built on those acts of war that you claim is a broken system. If you felt the acts of Hitler were evil and what the allies did was good, then do you also defend the necessary atrocities committed by the allies during the war?
War is hell, the people who try to make war more civilized and clean are the people who aren't fighting, and are the first voices to fall silent when war is truly needed.
And no, I didn't mean to use the word hypocrite, you're not stating a contradiction, I'm saying you're more like the pot calling the kettle black.
NiPah said:
You assume I live in one such country. You assume I live a lifestyle only available due to "acts of war"--and for the record, murdering a village of innocent women and children, mutilating their bodies and burning their homes down is an act of sociopathy, not war. You assume I feel the acts of Hitler were evil. You assume I supported the Allied Forces.NiPah said:
Woah. That's a lot of assumptions.
Pretty sure they have an expression that deals with that.
P.S.: I would only be a hypocrite if I was slaughtering innocent people while condemning it here. You're overstretching the word and using it incorrectly. The more you know!
The same laws regarding the punishment of individual troops still stand. And ask a random person or two what My Lai is. See what they say.Kendarik said:
Yes. That is exactly what I'm saying. Maybe then people will understand that war is not some fucking game. It is serious business. While our countries are actively destabilising theirs', they react how they see fit. They can't very well take down a tank column, so they hit us where they can.Grey Day for Elcia said:
Go ahead and tell that to someone who lost a family member in an attack. See how well that mentality goes over.Thyunda said:
I feel like people who have never lived a day on Earth are replying to me >_>
Well I'm glad you decided to wait forty-four years to report this.
No, this kind of thing is never acceptable. There aren't excuses outside being psychopathic, or your personality blinded/numbed by the war you've already been through. Operating on orders, mind, does provoke some leniency in my perspective because, like someone already said, insubordination in wartime is punishable by death. On the spot.
And you're trained, hard, while in the military to obey orders without question. Most of these soldiers probably justified their actions to themselves as a coping mechanism to be able to emotionally deal with what they've been effectively forced to do under threat of death and dishonor. And, frankly, even if you maintained 'no' to your C.O, you'd be shot and killed on the spot and the massacre would happen anyway.
The system back then was fucked. Full of corruption, buddy systems and insanity. Shit like this has always happened in human history - it's just never been reported until the 20th century technology made it possible to leak such atrocities. It still happens, and we find out about it the next day and it can't be swept under the rug like this incident.
No, this kind of thing is never acceptable. There aren't excuses outside being psychopathic, or your personality blinded/numbed by the war you've already been through. Operating on orders, mind, does provoke some leniency in my perspective because, like someone already said, insubordination in wartime is punishable by death. On the spot.
And you're trained, hard, while in the military to obey orders without question. Most of these soldiers probably justified their actions to themselves as a coping mechanism to be able to emotionally deal with what they've been effectively forced to do under threat of death and dishonor. And, frankly, even if you maintained 'no' to your C.O, you'd be shot and killed on the spot and the massacre would happen anyway.
The system back then was fucked. Full of corruption, buddy systems and insanity. Shit like this has always happened in human history - it's just never been reported until the 20th century technology made it possible to leak such atrocities. It still happens, and we find out about it the next day and it can't be swept under the rug like this incident.
Well, if your asking the modern day person, would they be likely to remember an acrosity from Vietnam, when its possible they are to young to even remember it? Plus, unless you (like me) go to college and take several history courses, you probably only going to see Vietnam as a single paragraph in most highschool textbooks. I had a course in American history that had a whole chapter dedicated to Vietnam, it was an eye opening experience.Grey Day for Elcia said:
Point is, you cant expect people to get worked up over something they dont know about. You cant get through a history course in middle or high school without going through WWII and hearing about the Holocaust. Thats why everybody knows it. Vietnam, most people only remember it for hippies, drugs, and Rock n' Roll... basically everything you see in movies like Platoon, Apocolypse Now and Full Metal Jacket. And God help you if you think those are 100% accurate depictions of what happened...
I don't want to be a part of this argument but I feel compelled to remind you that this is all part of the horrible reality of war. People, soldiers and civilians, men, women and children, will suffer and die. It's horrible, I wish it didn't have to happen and I wish people would stop hurting one another, but this is the reality of war.Grey Day for Elcia said:
Every single nation has at some point done something this horrible, and individuals within those militaries not acting on orders have done them too.
I believe nobody actually wants to be at war except for a few cold, evil administrations. We shouldn't have to babysit the Middle East, and the nations that are doing that don't have to be fucking it up time and time again. But we do, and they do.
It's a horrid reality, but it's reality - until people of different cultures, powers and beliefs can learn to respect and care for one another, they're going to find ways to kill one another.
As it's been said, war isn't a game, it's serious. And nobody is invincible. That's what terrorists want to prove - the most powerful nations in our developed world like England and the United States are not untouchable and cannot get away with whatever they like.
Aaannddd you lost me.Sansha said:
The countries are fine. Go away.
It might, lol.XSTALKERX said:
How about gunning down unarmed civilians and mocking them as they die and not being punished?Kendarik said:
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2010/apr/05/wikileaks-us-army-iraq-attack
I'm not referring to US foreign policy. I'm not American. I think the Americans absolutely need to fuck off from the Middle East and never return.Grey Day for Elcia said:Aaannddd you lost me.Sansha said:
The countries are fine. Go away.
What I'm referring to is the very real ideal that Middle Eastern nations, namely Israel and Pakistan, will just not stop being viciously determined to kill each other, and that they might become capable of going nuclear on each other happens to be everybody's problem.
The nations and cultures don't need to be freed from themselves or terrorists, or even each other. They don't need democracy or Western lifestyles. I believe they should be left alone - and frankly I'd love to see them blow each other apart and finally resolve whatever problems they have. But it's not acceptable to let them go nuclear. So, we shouldn't have to but we do.