Murders' of Goth have their sentences reduced, WTF!?

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Killerbunny001

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I wish we would still go old testament style on the assholes who commit murder. This way there is no appeal after 15 years :)
 

Cheshire Cat

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I look at the photos of the offenders and what I see is a bunch of chav's...
Chav's are becoming a serious problem in today's Britain due to the ridiculousness of the benefit system allowing them to just live off benefits and have free housing if they pop out a few children.
It's a known thing thing that chav's are intolerant of anything not chav, I regularly see them hanging around on street corners and in parks drinking their cheap cider and insulting, attacking or mugging everyone who passes that isn't like them...
I say it's about time the "justice" system stopped protecting the "human rights" of criminals and started literally throwing the book at them, bring back capital punishment or make use of these chav's stabby instincts by sending them into war zones.
 

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Aries_Split said:
Isilkor post=18.75367.865647 said:
Aries_Split said:
She was protecting her boyfriend...What kind of wimp was she dating? When a group chavs attack you and your girlfriend, you defend HER!
BBC Article said:
Lord Judge said the five teenagers "savagely and mercilessly attacked and beat unconscious" Mr Maltby.

"However, with remarkable courage Miss Lancaster rushed to give whatever assistance to him she could
Guess that answers my question.
Secondly, it's a bit sexist, misogynistic, and machismo to think that women can't be the defender.

Bloody hell, though. Someone's dead and the other people get to go on after 30 (still in their prime), and live their lives, probably thinking nothing of their actions. Crappy society we live in.
 

Aries_Split

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Cheshire Cat post=18.75367.865688 said:
I look at the photos of the offenders and what I see is a bunch of chav's...
Chav's are becoming a serious problem in today's Britain due to the ridiculousness of the benefit system allowing them to just live off benefits and have free housing if they pop out a few children.
It's a known thing thing that chav's are intolerant of anything not chav, I regularly see them hanging around on street corners and in parks drinking their cheap cider and insulting, attacking or mugging everyone who passes that isn't like them...
I say it's about time the "justice" system stopped protecting the "human rights" of criminals and started literally throwing the book at them, bring back capital punishment or make use of these chav's stabby instincts by sending them into war zones.
Sounds like Britain needs some old school vigilantes.
 

beddo

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Aries_Split said:
beddo post=18.75367.865661 said:
Aries_Split said:
She was protecting her boyfriend...What kind of wimp was she dating? When a group chavs attack you and your girlfriend, you defend HER!
I find this comment particularly offensive, quite jarring, very inconsiderate and incredibly naive. The guy was attacked by three people chavs who undoubtedly got the jump on him. While he was probably out cold his girlfriend pleaded for them to stop, which is when they turned on her.

This guy has to live with permament physical and emotional scars and you are calling him a wimp!? I am quite frankly disgusted, it is not this guys fault in any way whatsoever! It is the people who did it and the authorities for failing to prevent the whole incident.
See, I hadn't known that. From the article I read, it sounded as if they were walking in a park together, and then attacked. In that sense, he should have told her to leave. I understand that's not what happened.
I see that you mistook the situation. In which case your comment has a different meaning. While I agree that any of us would give our lives to protect a loved one it's still besides the point, the behaviour of criminals like this is simply unacceptable and the authorities are doing nothing to stop it!
 

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What did that teach me? Don?t bother with the police, ever. Ive taken the law into my own hands every time Ive needed to from that day.
That is a horrible lession to learn , I have, most of the UK have and in these times of human rights for monsters, PC gone mad and the general nanny state it is the only effective method of surviving and bringing justice to the pricks that have gotten a free ride.

I really think we should start some sort of group that when someone like that is let out wrongly, we punish the accordingly.
 

Rachael Griffiths

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Cheshire Cat said:
I say it's about time the "justice" system stopped protecting the "human rights" of criminals and started literally throwing the book at them, bring back capital punishment or make use of these chav's stabby instincts by sending them into war zones.
I completely agree. Of course capital punishment will never make a return because of the human rights issue and the fact that it is well known that mistakes can be, and have been, made.

I do think that national service should definitely make a comeback however .... whether or not it will happen however I have no idea. What I sometimes wonder, however, is if they send them off to war and they stop claiming benefits - would this help with the looming economy crisis in the UK?
 

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Why not use the terrorist legislation on these terrorists? These people that stalk the parks, that will stab or shoot you on the bus or in the pub because randomly or because you stand up to their appauling behaviour? These people terrorise us daily and walk around knowing there's nothing we can do about it. Not only becuase they don't get punished but becuase if you win a fight against them you'll be the one locked up.

The UK is a mess, in my opinion it has gotten worse over the last decade, no wonder so many people want out.
 

Rusman

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This story angers me so much because I am a goth and I get this shit all the time. Obviously not this badly but just walking around where I used to live with mates was a nightmare, constant shouting by the local chavs who are just fucking ignorant.

I've said it before and I'll say it again; Over crowded jails? Criminals not getting what they deserve? UK goverment and legal system for christ sake grow some balls and bring back capital punishment.
 

teh_gunslinger

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mintsauce said:
I completely agree, this is a disgrace. I was absolutely incensed by this case, it was such a horrible tragedy, and now these monsters are getting out early. Life should mean life, and in this case justice has not been served.

Ugh, looking at their smug faces just makes me want to cross check them all in the mouth. I wouldn't, I'm not like them, but, you know...

/heads to the Angry Dome
You got room for another in there, Professor?
I feel a bit like yelling and crying at the same time.
 

Alleged_Alec

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Prisons are crime universities. The people coming out of prisons cannot be re-integrated in normal life, so they commit more crimes.
But should they be re-integrated in society? This kind of people is too stupid to learn. They'll just find a wife, create a few more of those little bastards and keep terrorizing people.

We need to prevent crime. Not react after the crime has been commited. An impossible task.
I think both are needed. Yes, you should try to prevent crimes from happening. However, if a crime's committed, you should react.

And it feels like the emobashing you see a lot on the internet and in America, by the way.
 

MajukaRinye

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Alleged_Alec said:
And it feels like the emobashing you see a lot on the internet and in America, by the way.
We have Emo's too. It is the same. Basically, that would've happened to any person dressed in the style that encompasses that area of music. There's alot of kids around here who've been mugged more or less every weekend. Partly because they're inherently stupid, partly because they're drunk. But singled out because of their dress sense.

We've got no chance against this sort of victimization because it happens wherever you care to look. Celebrities will get hammered by the press if they wear the wrong outfit. It's not the same thing, but it's similar.

Whatever. I still think the little bastards should've had a longer sentence.
 

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I am going to try and keep this short because if I do not I will end up ranting off and you?ll never hear the end of it.

I am appalled to learn this. I myself have suffered a similar attack but was lucky enough to have survived. Five to six blows to my head while I lay unconscious, defenceless from three assailants. Those who tried to kill me for no reason have never been caught and due too me not seeking psychological help have become more than just a little paranoid. Actually this sort of thing happens so often, in my city anyway, that I wonder if the police even care anymore, I got that impression when the police took my statement. I feel very angry now that they are getting their sentences reduced, within time they will return to the world only to cause even more trouble.
The reduction of their sentence is a joke and shows the decline that I have been seeing for a long time. I am quickly loosing what little faith I have left in my government, legal system and just about everything else, not that I had much to begin with. What happened to our system? Were did it go wrong and when?
As for military service, that will do no god. I have seen reports of several instances were these people have killed fellow trainees for the same reasons as they would have on the streets and I am against giving those sorts of people fire arms.
Oh, and we do have capital punishment but that is reserved for high treason. Well last I heard.
 

Johnn Johnston

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I hate the fact that people are given only ten or twenty years for murder. If you take a life, by all logic we should be able to strip you of whatever life you have left. This is the kind of situation where I wouldn't give a damn if an inmate had the mind to shank them in the neck - at least then the Sophie and her family could get the justice they deserve.
Forestwolfss said:
Oh, and we do have capital punishment but that is reserved for high treason. Well last I heard.
I think the last person to be killed for treason was Lord Haw-Haw (not his given name) at the end of WWII.
 

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I was going to say that I think the Western world's idea of a justice system in general is fucked up, but then I realized that there are't many points in history where there was an efficient and fair justice system. Not any I can think of anyway.
 

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Johnn Johnston post=18.75367.865919 said:
I hate the fact that people are given only ten or twenty years for murder. If you take a life, by all logic we should be able to strip you of whatever life you have left. This is the kind of situation where I wouldn't give a damn if an inmate had the mind to shank them in the neck - at least then the Sophie and her family could get the justice they deserve.
Forestwolfss said:
Oh, and we do have capital punishment but that is reserved for high treason. Well last I heard.
I think the last person to be killed for treason was Lord Haw-Haw (not his given name) at the end of WWII.
I think we have completely abolished capital punishment in britain now. Even for arson in the royal back yard. I don't have a link right now, but I remember hearing it on QI.
 

Johnn Johnston

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Elurindel said:
Johnn Johnston post=18.75367.865919 said:
Forestwolfss said:
Oh, and we do have capital punishment but that is reserved for high treason. Well last I heard.
I think the last person to be killed for treason was Lord Haw-Haw (not his given name) at the end of WWII.
I think we have completely abolished capital punishment in britain now. Even for arson in the royal back yard. I don't have a link right now, but I remember hearing it on QI.
I'll check on YouTube for it - always loved QI.