Murders' of Goth have their sentences reduced, WTF!?

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TheDean said:
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they'll be out when they're 30? How old are they now?If they are kids, then, despite killing goths being terribe (and i don't get why people would target goths anyway)they are kids-- when they are 30 they are different people, they should be allowed to have a life.
They took away one life and ruined another under the justification of 'they looked different' people like that shouldn't be allowed anywhere near anyone else let alone the privilege to breathe.
I hate the "you look different" mindset, but that doesn't mean they should not be allowed to live. THat is unfair. No matter what they did.
THEY KILLED SOMEONE FOR NO GOOD REASON WHAT SO GOD DAMNED EVER Sorry to put this in caps and bold but jesus christ.

Going by your logic i could kill someone just to see what the hell its like and to put me away for life would be 'unfair' sorry but no.
WOAH! SLow down. I never even suggested that. I'm just saying you can't say they're not allowed to breathe. So they did a bad thing. That doesn't make thwm bad people. It also doens't mean we should remove them from socirty.
No, you can't go around killing people. But imagine this: someone really really annoys you. They make you life hell--you get angry, lash out and kill them. oh noes. now you have to spend the rest of your life in jail. Think about how miserable you would be. They should be put in gaol, but not forever.
Murdering someone for no better reason than they look different and showing little to no remorse about doing so, does make them a bad person. There is no if's and no buts about that what so ever.

I can see where your coming from and I do agree I would be miserable. But on the other hand i killed someone because they annoyed me. I would expect to be put away for life.

And the way i see it if you capable of murdering someone in cold blood for an absolutely pathetic reason such as this then you've just lost your human rights by taking away someone elses.
Of course it makes them bad now, but they won't always be like that. And their reasons for what they did certainbly were pathetic. But they will have to live with that forever. And no, no one should EVER lsoe human rights- since they are human. No one should have the rght to take tour rights away. And i know that the victim had the right to live and it was taken away, and that's why the kilers should be punished for a few years. But i just don't think i would like to oive a miserable life in jail because of something i did that i regret 60 years ago.
Your putting it like they stole something of minor value and are suffering a draconian sentence for it. They took away someone's right to exist without a care in the world and your suggesting that people should care about their rights?

No. You are wrong. I know its your opinion but your still wrong.
 

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they'll be out when they're 30? How old are they now?If they are kids, then, despite killing goths being terribe (and i don't get why people would target goths anyway)they are kids-- when they are 30 they are different people, they should be allowed to have a life.
They took away one life and ruined another under the justification of 'they looked different' people like that shouldn't be allowed anywhere near anyone else let alone the privilege to breathe.
I hate the "you look different" mindset, but that doesn't mean they should not be allowed to live. THat is unfair. No matter what they did.
THEY KILLED SOMEONE FOR NO GOOD REASON WHAT SO GOD DAMNED EVER Sorry to put this in caps and bold but jesus christ.

Going by your logic i could kill someone just to see what the hell its like and to put me away for life would be 'unfair' sorry but no.
WOAH! SLow down. I never even suggested that. I'm just saying you can't say they're not allowed to breathe. So they did a bad thing. That doesn't make thwm bad people. It also doens't mean we should remove them from socirty.
No, you can't go around killing people. But imagine this: someone really really annoys you. They make you life hell--you get angry, lash out and kill them. oh noes. now you have to spend the rest of your life in jail. Think about how miserable you would be. They should be put in gaol, but not forever.
Murdering someone for no better reason than they look different and showing little to no remorse about doing so, does make them a bad person. There is no if's and no buts about that what so ever.

I can see where your coming from and I do agree I would be miserable. But on the other hand i killed someone because they annoyed me. I would expect to be put away for life.

And the way i see it if you capable of murdering someone in cold blood for an absolutely pathetic reason such as this then you've just lost your human rights by taking away someone elses.
Of course it makes them bad now, but they won't always be like that. And their reasons for what they did certainbly were pathetic. But they will have to live with that forever. And no, no one should EVER lsoe human rights- since they are human. No one should have the rght to take tour rights away. And i know that the victim had the right to live and it was taken away, and that's why the kilers should be punished for a few years. But i just don't think i would like to oive a miserable life in jail because of something i did that i regret 60 years ago.
Your putting it like they stole something of minor value and are suffering a draconian sentence for it. They took away someone's right to exist without a care in the world and your suggesting that people should care about their rights?

No. You are wrong. I know its your opinion but your still wrong.
yes they took away someone's right to exist, but that dioesn't mean we should take away theirs. what gives us the right?
And i know what they did is really really bad, and i hate them for it believe me, but they WILL feel remore oen day. And they should still have rights. always.
Yes they took away soemone's right to exist, but by imprisoning them for 60 years we are essentially doing the same thing to them. Does that bring the victim back? no. (And i'm sure that right now she doesn't want to be back--because she's dead. i'm just sayin').
i feel sorry for the victim, but doing the same to these people who kiled her won't solve anything. It's like the old two wrongs don't make a right thing.
And i think we really should put more time into preventing rime and les into deling with things that have already happened and s we can do nothing about.
 

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i believe he had his sentence reduced because he originally pleaded guilty before all the rest of them did.
First to own up in the hope he was treated lightly most probably.
This story makes me sick that people are so bothered about how people look. So she was a goth. was she hurting anyone. No....
Should be shoot in the knee caps. sick people.
RIP
 

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Chavs, skinheads, jocks, KKK, nazis, racist bastards who deserve the hell(or at least a hundred years with a boot up their asses)

Racists are a real burning hatred of mine and all deserve hell. NEVER was there one racist whom I'd like, from the holier-than-thou discriminators to the "Hey, lets curb stomp those weird dudes",even the reverse racists. Frankly these punks should be shunned from society(would this be racist? nah, just bastardist).

And these morons LAUGHED? If that wasn''t a clear indication of their sanity,or lack thereof, I think I would've slapped the judge for being such a moron, and I think few others would follow suit. And yet they get a reduced sentence. A minor reduce, 9 months doesn't go by just like that. And when they're free, what then? They'll probably finish the job with the guy, just to add insult to injury, If not go after some poor sap who(quoting yahtzee) "had the poor judgement not to be born white" or who don't share in their terrible fashion sense.

And this isn't even new. My mom studied in the UK growing up and,while thankfully never got attacked, was on the receiving end of many insults and threats.luckily, she never took them to heart, and always replied with her rapier wit and the poor jerks never tried to attack her because (unlike the first guy who tried) she was a blackbelt and can kick ass. But her friend whom she shared a dorm was stabbed, right outside the dorm.

Oh and the police, who could ever bother with those lazy holes. the only protecton they have is for the rich and powerful. Vigilante is the only thing that can probably solve all this yet they frown upon it because it makes them look silly(not that they need any help). Mind you I still believe(with a small glimmer of hope) that there are some efficient police out ther, but I have yet to see.

And to those who say they made a mistake(while I whole-heartedly respect anyones opinion and this is probably going to sound bad but) ARE YOU INSANE(sorry)? Sure if it was an accident(whoops, turns out the safety wasn't on) or they had a proper reason(self defense, he beat me) I WOULD find it in my heart to forgive them but this was premeditate and they had no remorse for what they did so, "take a life, lose yours". just give them the choice of quick(the chair or gun) or slow(life imprisonment). If I were to kill someone out of cold blood, I don't care if I regret it, I got what I deserve and probably this will grant me redemption in the "on and beyond".

Sorry for the rant and any flaws in my arguement(it IS my first rant) and any thing that is insulting to you but I happened to have missed out, I have cooled down now and if there is anything you'd like to point out in my rant or anything to argue, by all means. as I have said, I respect all opinions("LoL fag bastard, you sux!!1!" is not an opinion by the way so save your breath)
 

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This story pissed me off. Stupid stereotypical jock kids...
O'er here in scotland they're called Neds, and in england, Chavs.

Bit o'terminology for yah.

Anyways, they should get the death sentence... eye for an eye and all that..
 

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yes they took away someone's right to exist, but that dioesn't mean we should take away theirs. what gives us the right?
And i know what they did is really really bad, and i hate them for it believe me, but they WILL feel remore oen day. And they should still have rights. always.
Yes they took away soemone's right to exist, but by imprisoning them for 60 years we are essentially doing the same thing to them. Does that bring the victim back? no. (And i'm sure that right now she doesn't want to be back--because she's dead. i'm just sayin').
i feel sorry for the victim, but doing the same to these people who kiled her won't solve anything. It's like the old two wrongs don't make a right thing.
And i think we really should put more time into preventing rime and les into deling with things that have already happened and s we can do nothing about.
While I support you're Idea of preventing instead of mourning, we have to be stricter on the punishments too. If they feel that there crime will warrant a harsh penalty that will deter them from commiting it but how can they feel that when others are let off the hook so easily with barely a slap on the wrist. And yes, I believe(that small glimmer of hope humanity again) that they will feel remorse but that'll probably only come after several years of self searching and conscience probing done with some years the slammer(and as someone said earlier, big bubba will make their regret higher) and some need longer than others but even then there is a small chance that they never do change. And Death will probably be the best threat to them.

But of course, it is not the change but how well the change is handled. Overzelous punishments and threats will breed a community of fear
but over leniency and mercy for those undeserving will too bring the same result to the community but for a different reason. So it must be the community and the goverment to correctly controls the crime rate but the thing is the government is uncapable or unwilling to do so and the community cannot do much without the government. so what are we to do?
 

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TheDean said:
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they'll be out when they're 30? How old are they now?If they are kids, then, despite killing goths being terribe (and i don't get why people would target goths anyway)they are kids-- when they are 30 they are different people, they should be allowed to have a life.
They took away one life and ruined another under the justification of 'they looked different' people like that shouldn't be allowed anywhere near anyone else let alone the privilege to breathe.
I hate the "you look different" mindset, but that doesn't mean they should not be allowed to live. THat is unfair. No matter what they did.
THEY KILLED SOMEONE FOR NO GOOD REASON WHAT SO GOD DAMNED EVER Sorry to put this in caps and bold but jesus christ.

Going by your logic i could kill someone just to see what the hell its like and to put me away for life would be 'unfair' sorry but no.
WOAH! SLow down. I never even suggested that. I'm just saying you can't say they're not allowed to breathe. So they did a bad thing. That doesn't make thwm bad people. It also doens't mean we should remove them from socirty.
No, you can't go around killing people. But imagine this: someone really really annoys you. They make you life hell--you get angry, lash out and kill them. oh noes. now you have to spend the rest of your life in jail. Think about how miserable you would be. They should be put in gaol, but not forever.
Murdering someone for no better reason than they look different and showing little to no remorse about doing so, does make them a bad person. There is no if's and no buts about that what so ever.

I can see where your coming from and I do agree I would be miserable. But on the other hand i killed someone because they annoyed me. I would expect to be put away for life.

And the way i see it if you capable of murdering someone in cold blood for an absolutely pathetic reason such as this then you've just lost your human rights by taking away someone elses.
Of course it makes them bad now, but they won't always be like that. And their reasons for what they did certainbly were pathetic. But they will have to live with that forever. And no, no one should EVER lsoe human rights- since they are human. No one should have the rght to take tour rights away. And i know that the victim had the right to live and it was taken away, and that's why the kilers should be punished for a few years. But i just don't think i would like to oive a miserable life in jail because of something i did that i regret 60 years ago.
Your putting it like they stole something of minor value and are suffering a draconian sentence for it. They took away someone's right to exist without a care in the world and your suggesting that people should care about their rights?

No. You are wrong. I know its your opinion but your still wrong.
yes they took away someone's right to exist, but that dioesn't mean we should take away theirs. what gives us the right?
And i know what they did is really really bad, and i hate them for it believe me, but they WILL feel remore oen day. And they should still have rights. always.
Yes they took away soemone's right to exist, but by imprisoning them for 60 years we are essentially doing the same thing to them. Does that bring the victim back? no. (And i'm sure that right now she doesn't want to be back--because she's dead. i'm just sayin').
i feel sorry for the victim, but doing the same to these people who kiled her won't solve anything. It's like the old two wrongs don't make a right thing.
And i think we really should put more time into preventing rime and les into deling with things that have already happened and s we can do nothing about.
After this point unless you actually come up with a different argument and stop going in circles with what you are saying i'm not going to be replying.

No it doesnt bring the person back but its a thing called Justice.

No it wont do anything apart from let the family's and friends of the victims know that the offenders are paying for what they have done.

All that's been done is that they have been given a slap on the wrist and thats just a joke.

Putting them away for 60 years is saying 'You've fucked up big time and this is your punishment' which is god damned fair. They were 16, they were old enough to know the difference between right and wrong.

They didn't feel remorse when they did it, they didn't hand themselves in after what they'd done and said 'i've killed someone' So why should anyone give a fuck about if they feel remorse a few years down the line? Too little too god damned late. You reap what you sew.

And this is the end of the argument whether you like it to be or not cause I'm sick of this already -.-
 

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s-l-u-g said:
Gxas said:
This story pissed me off. Stupid stereotypical jock kids...
O'er here in scotland they're called Neds, and in england, Chavs.

Bit o'terminology for yah.

Anyways, they should get the death sentence... eye for an eye and all that..
eye for an eye and the whole world end up blind.
also i think its the easiest way out. let em rot in jail for the rest of their days. knowing that there is no chance they will ever be free again
 

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I think that most courts believe youthful offenders are more likely to learn the error of their ways and actually be corrected by the system of corrections, so they deserve shorter sentences. I also think they are dead wrong. I think that the candles on their 18th birthday cake should be lit with electrical sparks.

But during election years I always assume that other human beings are unredeemable hate factories. Once Nov. 5th passes, I'll start looking for the goodness in human nature again. Or join in a suicide pact. One or the other.
 

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ok look. What you said was logical and intelligent. THat makes a change from some replies i have goten on this thread.
and no, i have never been in jail because i am 16, and no, no one close to me has been in jail.
But try to imagine if you made a stupid mistake and then had to pay forthat for the rest of your life.
I'm not saying they should go un[unished at all. THey should be jailed for a few yearsd. but 60? I'm sure the'd have learnt their lesson by then. And please remember that after several yearsd you are an entirely different person. They won't always want to kill people.

when i first saw the title of this thread i was appalled. I never intended my aerguments to go how they did, but hey. And i suppose everything i said is utterly bizarre. Most of my views are like that. But i'm just saying i don't think it's fair to punish the for that long.
And it is terrible that they ruined a life, and presumably cause a considerable amount of pain to her family and friends, but they will regret that one day.
I can see that you are quite clearly on the back foot here, with quite a lot of people. I think your argument has been a bit disjointed and poorly made over quite a few posts.

Firstly, this was not a simple mistake. These people made a conscious choice to brutally attack two people because they looked different, one of them died. It was not an accident that they died, we know that people die from injuries such as this, hence the crime was murder.

A mistake is were a person unintentionally does something. Accidentally killing someone is when you don't install an air conditioning unit properly and it falls on someone, killing them. When you don't check the electrics and someone dies from using an outlet. These are cases of accidental death; death through negligence not malice.

In these cases the perpetrator often does not need the same treatment as those who malisciously kill. The guilt is a major punishment alone. However, we still believe that they have to be punished so that they and others are aware that negligence that causes death will not be tolerated as it ruins many lives.

Our justice system has three main purposes; punishment, protection and rehabilitation. The system isn't just about teaching criminals what they did was wrong, it's also about protecting the public from them and punishing them.

In cases like this the criminals are unable to empathise with their victims, or in any case they simply choose not to so the only way to really teach them what they did is to show them how long a human life is. A lifetime in prison and all the things they missed, perhaps then they will understand what Sophie is missing.

Don't forget that we are not taking their lives just the chance to truely experience life.

Also, we don't all change every seven years or so. People will remain the same, ignorant and arrogant as long as their situation never changes and never has to.
 

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they'll be out when they're 30? How old are they now?If they are kids, then, despite killing goths being terribe (and i don't get why people would target goths anyway)they are kids-- when they are 30 they are different people, they should be allowed to have a life.
They took away one life and ruined another under the justification of 'they looked different' people like that shouldn't be allowed anywhere near anyone else let alone the privilege to breathe.
I hate the "you look different" mindset, but that doesn't mean they should not be allowed to live. THat is unfair. No matter what they did.
THEY KILLED SOMEONE FOR NO GOOD REASON WHAT SO GOD DAMNED EVER Sorry to put this in caps and bold but jesus christ.

Going by your logic i could kill someone just to see what the hell its like and to put me away for life would be 'unfair' sorry but no.
WOAH! SLow down. I never even suggested that. I'm just saying you can't say they're not allowed to breathe. So they did a bad thing. That doesn't make thwm bad people. It also doens't mean we should remove them from socirty.
No, you can't go around killing people. But imagine this: someone really really annoys you. They make you life hell--you get angry, lash out and kill them. oh noes. now you have to spend the rest of your life in jail. Think about how miserable you would be. They should be put in gaol, but not forever.
Murdering someone for no better reason than they look different and showing little to no remorse about doing so, does make them a bad person. There is no if's and no buts about that what so ever.

I can see where your coming from and I do agree I would be miserable. But on the other hand i killed someone because they annoyed me. I would expect to be put away for life.

And the way i see it if you capable of murdering someone in cold blood for an absolutely pathetic reason such as this then you've just lost your human rights by taking away someone elses.
Of course it makes them bad now, but they won't always be like that. And their reasons for what they did certainbly were pathetic. But they will have to live with that forever. And no, no one should EVER lsoe human rights- since they are human. No one should have the rght to take tour rights away. And i know that the victim had the right to live and it was taken away, and that's why the kilers should be punished for a few years. But i just don't think i would like to oive a miserable life in jail because of something i did that i regret 60 years ago.
Your putting it like they stole something of minor value and are suffering a draconian sentence for it. They took away someone's right to exist without a care in the world and your suggesting that people should care about their rights?

No. You are wrong. I know its your opinion but your still wrong.
yes they took away someone's right to exist, but that dioesn't mean we should take away theirs. what gives us the right?
And i know what they did is really really bad, and i hate them for it believe me, but they WILL feel remore oen day. And they should still have rights. always.
Yes they took away soemone's right to exist, but by imprisoning them for 60 years we are essentially doing the same thing to them. Does that bring the victim back? no. (And i'm sure that right now she doesn't want to be back--because she's dead. i'm just sayin').
i feel sorry for the victim, but doing the same to these people who kiled her won't solve anything. It's like the old two wrongs don't make a right thing.
And i think we really should put more time into preventing rime and les into deling with things that have already happened and s we can do nothing about.
After this point unless you actually come up with a different argument and stop going in circles with what you are saying i'm not going to be replying.

No it doesnt bring the person back but its a thing called Justice.

No it wont do anything apart from let the family's and friends of the victims know that the offenders are paying for what they have done.

All that's been done is that they have been given a slap on the wrist and thats just a joke.

Putting them away for 60 years is saying 'You've fucked up big time and this is your punishment' which is god damned fair. They were 16, they were old enough to know the difference between right and wrong.

They didn't feel remorse when they did it, they didn't hand themselves in after what they'd done and said 'i've killed someone' So why should anyone give a fuck about if they feel remorse a few years down the line? Too little too god damned late. You reap what you sew.

And this is the end of the argument whether you like it to be or not cause I'm sick of this already -.-
wow. even if you disagree with me i at least thought you had the intelligence to see where i'm coming from.
You said yourself they are 16. So am i. I don't want to be punished for things i do now in 60 years time. Yes they know the difference between right and wrong- but doesn't everyone make mistakes and do smoething they regret when they're young? I'm not saying they ahould get a slap on thr wrist. They must be punsihed indeed. But not for 60 years. Jail 'em for a few years until they learn their lesson. THat wikll give them enough time to realise what they did was wrong, and if they do it again they'll have to suffer jail again. Keeping them in ther for all their lives doesn't give them the chance to prove they have changed.
 

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ok look. What you said was logical and intelligent. THat makes a change from some replies i have goten on this thread.
and no, i have never been in jail because i am 16, and no, no one close to me has been in jail.
But try to imagine if you made a stupid mistake and then had to pay forthat for the rest of your life.
I'm not saying they should go un[unished at all. THey should be jailed for a few yearsd. but 60? I'm sure the'd have learnt their lesson by then. And please remember that after several yearsd you are an entirely different person. They won't always want to kill people.

when i first saw the title of this thread i was appalled. I never intended my aerguments to go how they did, but hey. And i suppose everything i said is utterly bizarre. Most of my views are like that. But i'm just saying i don't think it's fair to punish the for that long.
And it is terrible that they ruined a life, and presumably cause a considerable amount of pain to her family and friends, but they will regret that one day.
I can see that you are quite clearly on the back foot here, with quite a lot of people. I think your argument has been a bit disjointed and poorly made over quite a few posts.

Firstly, this was not a simple mistake. These people made a conscious choice to brutally attack two people because they looked different, one of them died. It was not an accident that they died, we know that people die from injuries such as this, hence the crime was murder.

A mistake is were a person unintentionally does something. Accidentally killing someone is when you don't install an air conditioning unit properly and it falls on someone, killing them. When you don't check the electrics and someone dies from using an outlet. These are cases of accidental death; death through negligence not malice.

In these cases the perpetrator often does not need the same treatment as those who malisciously kill. The guilt is a major punishment alone. However, we still believe that they have to be punished so that they and others are aware that negligence that causes death will not be tolerated as it ruins many lives.

Our justice system has three main purposes; punishment, protection and rehabilitation. The system isn't just about teaching criminals what they did was wrong, it's also about protecting the public from them and punishing them.

In cases like this the criminals are unable to empathise with their victims, or in any case they simply choose not to so the only way to really teach them what they did is to show them how long a human life is. A lifetime in prison and all the things they missed, perhaps then they will understand what Sophie is missing.

Don't forget that we are not taking their lives just the chance to truely experience life.

Also, we don't all change every seven years or so. People will remain the same, ignorant and arrogant as long as their situation never changes and never has to.
Perhaps. I really can't argue with what you've said without becoming even more repetitive than i already am.
But what i will say is this: mistake. No, what they did wasn't a mistake, it was intentional---but nly at the time. If we remove time as a factor, things change a bit. In the over-all life of the killers, from birth to death, this was amistake. At the time it was intentional es, but take a step back. I bet this isn't something they wanted bbefore the incident, and i won't be something they want after the incident. Not immediately after of course, but later in life.
 

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TheDean said:
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they'll be out when they're 30? How old are they now?If they are kids, then, despite killing goths being terribe (and i don't get why people would target goths anyway)they are kids-- when they are 30 they are different people, they should be allowed to have a life.
They took away one life and ruined another under the justification of 'they looked different' people like that shouldn't be allowed anywhere near anyone else let alone the privilege to breathe.
I hate the "you look different" mindset, but that doesn't mean they should not be allowed to live. THat is unfair. No matter what they did.
THEY KILLED SOMEONE FOR NO GOOD REASON WHAT SO GOD DAMNED EVER Sorry to put this in caps and bold but jesus christ.

Going by your logic i could kill someone just to see what the hell its like and to put me away for life would be 'unfair' sorry but no.
WOAH! SLow down. I never even suggested that. I'm just saying you can't say they're not allowed to breathe. So they did a bad thing. That doesn't make thwm bad people. It also doens't mean we should remove them from socirty.
No, you can't go around killing people. But imagine this: someone really really annoys you. They make you life hell--you get angry, lash out and kill them. oh noes. now you have to spend the rest of your life in jail. Think about how miserable you would be. They should be put in gaol, but not forever.
Murdering someone for no better reason than they look different and showing little to no remorse about doing so, does make them a bad person. There is no if's and no buts about that what so ever.

I can see where your coming from and I do agree I would be miserable. But on the other hand i killed someone because they annoyed me. I would expect to be put away for life.

And the way i see it if you capable of murdering someone in cold blood for an absolutely pathetic reason such as this then you've just lost your human rights by taking away someone elses.
Of course it makes them bad now, but they won't always be like that. And their reasons for what they did certainbly were pathetic. But they will have to live with that forever. And no, no one should EVER lsoe human rights- since they are human. No one should have the rght to take tour rights away. And i know that the victim had the right to live and it was taken away, and that's why the kilers should be punished for a few years. But i just don't think i would like to oive a miserable life in jail because of something i did that i regret 60 years ago.
Your putting it like they stole something of minor value and are suffering a draconian sentence for it. They took away someone's right to exist without a care in the world and your suggesting that people should care about their rights?

No. You are wrong. I know its your opinion but your still wrong.
yes they took away someone's right to exist, but that dioesn't mean we should take away theirs. what gives us the right?
And i know what they did is really really bad, and i hate them for it believe me, but they WILL feel remore oen day. And they should still have rights. always.
Yes they took away soemone's right to exist, but by imprisoning them for 60 years we are essentially doing the same thing to them. Does that bring the victim back? no. (And i'm sure that right now she doesn't want to be back--because she's dead. i'm just sayin').
i feel sorry for the victim, but doing the same to these people who kiled her won't solve anything. It's like the old two wrongs don't make a right thing.
And i think we really should put more time into preventing rime and les into deling with things that have already happened and s we can do nothing about.
After this point unless you actually come up with a different argument and stop going in circles with what you are saying i'm not going to be replying.

No it doesnt bring the person back but its a thing called Justice.

No it wont do anything apart from let the family's and friends of the victims know that the offenders are paying for what they have done.

All that's been done is that they have been given a slap on the wrist and thats just a joke.

Putting them away for 60 years is saying 'You've fucked up big time and this is your punishment' which is god damned fair. They were 16, they were old enough to know the difference between right and wrong.

They didn't feel remorse when they did it, they didn't hand themselves in after what they'd done and said 'i've killed someone' So why should anyone give a fuck about if they feel remorse a few years down the line? Too little too god damned late. You reap what you sew.

And this is the end of the argument whether you like it to be or not cause I'm sick of this already -.-
wow. even if you disagree with me i at least thought you had the intelligence to see where i'm coming from.
You said yourself they are 16. So am i. I don't want to be punished for things i do now in 60 years time. Yes they know the difference between right and wrong- but doesn't everyone make mistakes and do smoething they regret when they're young? I'm not saying they ahould get a slap on thr wrist. They must be punsihed indeed. But not for 60 years. Jail 'em for a few years until they learn their lesson. THat wikll give them enough time to realise what they did was wrong, and if they do it again they'll have to suffer jail again. Keeping them in ther for all their lives doesn't give them the chance to prove they have changed.
I'm sorry... You have the nerve to insult my intelligence? OK I'm going to spell this out for you because you seem to not understand what I am saying.

They know the difference between right and wrong? No. They. Don't. If they did They wouldn't have done it

And again you saying it like they've done something that is easily forgivable. They took away a life under the grounds 'they look different'

oh i see...they killed someone and severely hurt another because 'they look different' Yeah forgive and forget eh?

No. Just god damned NO

Yes i've made mistakes in my past But none of them involve murder.

And why the hell should they have a chance to prove they've changed. Unless they can perform a resurrection on the victim and she says 'its OK I forgive them it was all in good fun' No. Fuck That.

Its people like you that allow wastes of DNA like that to ruin lives. Not everyone deserves forgiveness especially if they can so easily take away life for an absolutely pathetic and monstrous reason.
 
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The Dean, I'm sorry, but there is a difference between "young and stupid" and "malicious". Being locked up for 25 years for joyriding as a teen, you may have a point. But they killed someone for being goth. I'm sorry, but if they can kill someone this brutally when they are 16, can you imagine what they would be capable of at 30?
 

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These are the type of morons that should be given the death penalty. And I still wonder why people find capital punishment to be unethical and barbaric. To think that these monsters would be released in society again.
 

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All justice systems are imperfect, but some have more flaws than others.

Recently, here in Canada,a judge let a rapist go out on 2nd bail after breaching terms of the 1st one, and he killed 3 women.