"Music" you consider to be NOISE

[TheRightToArmBears]

Just because I don't like it doesn't mean it's not music.

But really, really, really heavy metal is just noise. Once you get past the level of Devildriver it starts getting a little shit.

Its not noise, its you hearing noise.

Well if we're going to be like that about it all music is me hearing noise.

What I'm saying is that when you play notes that quickly, that low, and that distorted it just turns into a mess. Not all really heavy metal is like that (I don't like it, but still), but a large proportion of it is. Which is a shame, because lots of them have the potential to be really damned good.

Just because I don't like it doesn't mean it's not music.

But really, really, really heavy metal is just noise. Once you get past the level of Devildriver it starts getting a little shit.

Iron Maiden is Noise? Hammerfall, Storm Warrior, Dream Evil, Kamelot?

Listen to those bands? Sure they're power metal, but with HUGE heavy metal influences... Lyrics and meanings...

Gotta say I love the "Just because you don't like it doens't make it music... But heavy metal is just noise"

Read the damn post again. And possibly read this one too. Hammerfall and Iron Maiden aren't "really, really, really heavy metal". Surely there must be a point where if you play music really heavy it becomes noise? Wouldn't you agree that a song that is 600bpm and distorted as hell is just noise to human ears?

 

[no oneder]

This guys:


That actually IS just noise.

Sunn O))) is an amazing band. ^.^

Uhm... no it isn't.

Sunn O))) is experimental... To the extreme... I use to listen to a bit of experimental with an old lady friend and Sunn O))) was too much even for us...

on a side note, keeping away from them there rabid bar stools?

I never liked Sunn O)). I actually hate them.

And yes. And soon I'll be even further away from them as I will have a desk job ^ ^

 

[TheRightToArmBears]

Just because I don't like it doesn't mean it's not music.

But really, really, really heavy metal is just noise. Once you get past the level of Devildriver it starts getting a little shit.

Its not noise, its you hearing noise.

Well if we're going to be like that about it all music is me hearing noise.

What I'm saying is that when you play notes that quickly, that low, and that distorted it just turns into a mess. Not all really heavy metal is like that (I don't like it, but still), but a large proportion of it is. Which is a shame, because lots of them have the potential to be really damned good.

I can hear perfectly fine over the distortion,complexity, and low tunings.

Well evidently I don't. So to me it is noise.

 

[el_kabong]

Well, since there's underground music classified as Noise...I'd have to go with that.

 

[Celtic_Kerr]

This guys:


That actually IS just noise.

Sunn O))) is an amazing band. ^.^

Uhm... no it isn't.

Sunn O))) is experimental... To the extreme... I use to listen to a bit of experimental with an old lady friend and Sunn O))) was too much even for us...

on a side note, keeping away from them there rabid bar stools?

I never liked Sunn O)). I actually hate them.

And yes. And soon I'll be even further away from them as I will have a desk job ^ ^

Careful, those barstools are plotting little fuckers...

And I never liked Sunn O))) even in my experimental phasem, they were just.... Dear god

 

[Aerodyamic]

Anyone smashing on rap's simply never heard the likes of guys like Del, Edan and Aesop Rock before.

Or doesn't care for the simplistic patterns, mainstream examples that personify objectionable behaviour, and contain messages that aren't relevant to a given individual? I don't like rap because I don't like it, and the vast numbers of "no, man, 'X' will totally change your mind" examples have yet to even come close to changing my mind.

OT: Considering I try to listen to as little mainstream radio as possible, I'd have to say that most top40/pop right now probably qualifies, since all of it basically ends up being relatively painless audio filler. Some of it is actually painful to listen to, though.

And yet the three people I listed don't display any of the tendencies you're talking about. Don't try to shroud your close-mindedness in eloquence. You've heard bad rap on the radio and made the blanket assumption that it must represent everything rap brings. You've never heard 3030, which is critical of everything you complained about too.

Apparently you missed the bit about 'mainstream offerings', so I italicized it for you. That alone should have clued you in to a relatively open-minded approach to music. Maybe you also missed where I pointed to K-os and Sage Francis? K-os is slightly more mainstream than I would normally admit to listening to, but I rather enjoy the surreality of his work.

Let me make this absurdly simple: I do not find rap to be an enjoyable listening experience, under most circumstances. Some of this is due to me liking rock-a-billy, punk, ska and the like, and some of it is that I just simply don't enjoy listening to rap anymore than I enjoy listening to country music.

That's besides the fact that as a white, heterosexual, 30-something, blue-collar, home-owning male in Western Canada, I simply do not identify with most of the themes portrayed in rap or hip-hop, regardless of the positive or negative colour those themes may have. My upbringing was middle-class, relatively stable, and blue-collar, so that rules out any themes involving living a tough life in a bad part of town, having any real exposure to drugs or crime, going without anything essential to a relatively safe and happy childhood, anything that would have made me or anyone close to me a less-than-functional adult, or the overarching societal effects of any of the preceding.

Then there's the fact that based on my age and where I've lived, at the time that many North American youth were being exposed to the early waves of rap and hip-hop, my local music scene was still hip-deep in the punk era. Maybe you didn't know, but old punks have exactly 4 retirement plans: go biker, go rock-a-billy, sell out, or burn out. I've chosen to go rock-a-billy, and I'm rather happy with it.

And unless the 'Del' you referred to is 'Del the Funky Homosapien', and 3030 is one of the various people that he's collaborated with over the years, the fact is, I know enough people with varied enough musical tastes that I should have heard of one of your examples by now, if they were that damn good.

 

[TheRightToArmBears]

Just because I don't like it doesn't mean it's not music.

But really, really, really heavy metal is just noise. Once you get past the level of Devildriver it starts getting a little shit.

Its not noise, its you hearing noise.

Well if we're going to be like that about it all music is me hearing noise.

What I'm saying is that when you play notes that quickly, that low, and that distorted it just turns into a mess. Not all really heavy metal is like that (I don't like it, but still), but a large proportion of it is. Which is a shame, because lots of them have the potential to be really damned good.

I can hear perfectly fine over the distortion,complexity, and low tunings.

Well evidently I don't. So to me it is noise.

Well thats my original point, to you its just noise.

Isn't that what the thread was asking?

 

[Life_Is_A_Mess]

Hip hop and rap

 

[The Stonker]

I can tolerate anything except country music and...That...

Justin Bieber? A misunderstood genius.

No! The man who slowed down his music by 800% is a genius, he's still liquified crap which I would like to tap.

But I can't stand grindecore, ugh.

 

[TaboriHK]

Apparently you missed the bit about 'mainstream offerings', so I italicized it for you. That alone should have clued you in to a relatively open-minded approach to music.

And yet you also said this:

I don't like rap because I don't like it, and the vast numbers of "no, man, 'X' will totally change your mind" examples have yet to even come close to changing my mind.

Which contradicts your insistence that it's just about the crap on the radio and that you have an open mind. An open minded person doesn't make blanket statements about a genre, it's just counter to the traits of someone who actually gives things outside of his comfort zone a shot. I don't think any real rap fan would disagree that rap on the radio is bad. So is every other genre on the radio, so it's essentially a non-point you're making. Trust me, no one hates bad rap more than fans of legitimate rap. I think guys like Soulja Boi represent the death of lyricism which is amazingly sad.

That's besides the fact that as a white, heterosexual, 30-something, blue-collar, home-owning male in Western Canada, I simply do not identify with most of the themes portrayed in rap or hip-hop, regardless of the positive or negative colour those themes may have. My upbringing was middle-class, relatively stable, and blue-collar, so that rules out any themes involving living a tough life in a bad part of town, having any real exposure to drugs or crime, going without anything essential to a relatively safe and happy childhood, anything that would have made me or anyone close to me a less-than-functional adult, or the overarching societal effects of any of the preceding.

Wow, and you just made it racist, dude. Two of the men I listed are white. So am I. They also don't rap about life in the "ghetto" constantly. Race has nothing to do with it. Del raps about the ghetto but he also raps about how annoying AC Transit is and 3030 is a giant ode to science fiction. The fact that you just stereotyped the crap out of the genre is incredibly telling. It's not all gangster rap, man. I had a safe and happy childhood too. Why do people have to be damaged to enjoy rap, and why do rappers have to only do "I come from a rough neighborhood" stuff? Again, you just don't know what you're talking about.

Then there's the fact that based on my age and where I've lived, at the time that many North American youth were being exposed to the early waves of rap and hip-hop, my local music scene was still hip-deep in the punk era. Maybe you didn't know, but old punks have exactly 4 retirement plans: go biker, go rock-a-billy, sell out, or burn out. I've chosen to go rock-a-billy, and I'm rather happy with it.

I get that too, but now you're sort of shoehorning yourself into being a certain person. People can grow with age, obviously I don't have to tell you that, so I think we both know that the "I decided my life course at 16" statement really doesn't carry a whole lot of convincing weight.

And unless the 'Del' you referred to is 'Del the Funky Homosapien', and 3030 is one of the various people that he's collaborated with over the years, the fact is, I know enough people with varied enough musical tastes that I should have heard of one of your examples by now, if they were that damn good.

3030 is an album, and it's a critically acclaimed masterpiece. Look, there's no rule that says you have to venture out of your comfort zone in terms of taste or as a person, but to deny or downplay the rewards of doing so just comes across kind of...sad. I don't mean this to come across as a battle and I don't think this should devolve into some kind of game of oneupsmanship. I just don't think you're being fair to a genre, and furthermore I think you think you are.

 

[Unia]

Well apparently I once sat through an entire festival concert without noticing. The lead of the band wished the audience good night and I thought "Huh? Wasn't that just soundcheck up until now?". Granted it wasn't grating on the ears or I would have wandered elsewhere. Just random clinking sounds from various acoustic instruments. Still a pretty sad show.

 

[thephill]

i'm a big fan of really heavy metal. However.. some bands that call themselves metal are just rubbish noise making. and some are very successful and have many fans. (American Head Charge spring to mind- i just don't like 'em)

 

[The Infamous Scamola]

ITT: entry-level music listeners

If you think ANY kind of music is "just noise" then I absolutely don't want to have anything to do with you.

Here, have some Pg.99 you plebs

 

[TimbukTurnip]

Rap, hip-hop, modern pop, techno, dance, rave, drum and bass and any other similar genres I've forgotten or don't know about. Also the very heavy end of metal. Its still more like music than the previous listed genres, but its just people showing off how fast they can play an instrument or how they can destroy their voice shouting something that no one can understand.