Muslim Protestors Target Google

[Mr F.]

Well Ilias Kasidiaris does have a point... I mean assault is more peaceful than murder? At least I think that is the point he is going for.

Peaceful protest is a better way to go about this so while I do not like censorship I at least respect the people protesting in London.

I bet the maker of this film is damn pleased with the shitstorm it has caused.

Not really. He produced the film under an alias and when he was found out, he went into hiding. He's currently in jail.

Well, he IS damn pleased with the shitstorm he caused. If you follow up on who he is, who funded him and what his aims were, the entire point of the film was to cause a shitstorm.

Hence the whole "Dubbing what the actors were actually saying and replacing it with nonsensical anti-Islamic bullshit". Then again, my views are based on what the Guardian states on the matter (The money came from Angry Copts and ultra-orthodox Jews, both of which want to destabilize the post-Mubarak regime, which was the entire point of the film).

And he is in Jail for violating the terms of his parole, what with being a convicted fraudster who was barred from using a false name or using the internet.

But anyway! Stand up for the freedom of fraudsters and religious maniacs! Free speech without any limitations (Which doesnt exist, anywhere at all, not even in the states) is worth anything!

I really don't get it. Are these people not self aware in the slightest? Don't they realise that all this petty complaining (not to mention the insane over reaction and violence at the US embassies) only brings about more offensive material and distaste of Muslims. Have they learned nothing from Everybody Draw Mohammed day?

Wait...

What?

Just what?

You are complaining that a community is peacefully protesting? And you are blaming this group (Which is peacefully protesting) for negative material coming out about Muslims? What?

Sorry, I can understand the anger against the rioters and whatnot (Although that was blown out of proportion and those responsible for attacking the embassy were removed by other citizens, the entire militia was kicked outa town.) but you are seeming to say that those who are currently protesting peacefully are not "Self aware" and that this somehow makes them DESERVE the offensive material and "distaste of Muslims".

To use an extreme example which will get me accused of Strawmanning (Which is fine by me, cause I am about to level an accusation of Racism to Mr Carter.) You sound like someone sitting there going "Well, if you complain peacefully about being raped, dont you understand that it makes you get raped more and people just have a distaste for all you victims for complaining?"

Mr Carter. "At least four people". Technically true. I love how you reported purely on the deaths of citizens from "Western" nations. Did you just bypass the news from Pakistan, all the deaths and injuries caused whilst police tried to stop protests?

Or does it not matter to you?

 

[Aaron Sylvester]

At this rate, the terriost stigma against Muslims will never go away, -_-

Every_single_day there are people doing inhumane, fucked-up shit in the name of the Muslim religion. It's really no surprise.

 

[Aaron Sylvester]

Christians expect people to not desecrate statues or postings of Jesus. Jews expect people to not engage in Anti-Semitism. Muslims ask pretty much only one thing from us in the Western world, and that's to not show images of their prophet.

I have a question though.

What right does the religion give them to "expect" others what or what-not to do?

Christians expect people to not desecrate statues or postings of Jesus - they expect people not to, and only the most fanatical will start protests/riots about it.

Jesus gets openly mocked in media on a regular basis.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ESJh-AqMJaA
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pkPgYbdQ1kQ

Did you hear how the Christians retaliated by starting riots, wrecking streets, waving signs of "BEHEAD THE INFIDELS" or even peaceful protests? Of course you didn't. Christians generally don't give a shit when people mock their god/religion, because being an ex-Christian I KNOW the bible tells them to simply pray for the sinners, pity the ones who mock God and move on. Not to fucking kill them with bombs.

The same is true with most other religions.

Islam is the only religion where a huge chunk of them can be labeled as "fanatics" (due to brainwashing from a young age or whatever) and simply making a video mocking their prophet + uploading it somewhere is enough to cause MILLIONS of them to start rioting, bombing, killing and setting things on fire.

It's actually hilarious.

Someone once told me that Islam is a religion of peace & tolerance and just a few fanatics have ruined the world's image of what is supposed to be a peaceful, tolerant religion. Well that may be true but when shit happens like this on a regular basis what on earth is the world SUPPOSED to think about Islam?

Take for example, an apartment building. The land lords happily say "it's a very safe building!", but on a regular basis there is theft/robbery, walls that collapse, and fires that occur. How the hell can the owners keep calling it a safe building then?

 

[Azeal]

Thus far the response to the film - which unfortunately goes way beyond the peaceful protests organized by MAF - has claimed the lives of at least four people, including US ambassador, John Christopher Stevens, and foreign service information management officer and EVE Online player, Sean "Vile Rat" Smith.

Whoa whoa whoa. While there have been violent protests in response to this film, yes, the attack on the US embassy was due to terrorism, and not this video. It's annoying that people still think that; at least those who wrote this article anyways. The white house has admitted this is due to terrorism and not this video. I really hope I stop seeing this associated with the embassy attack.

 

[Bobic]

I really don't get it. Are these people not self aware in the slightest? Don't they realise that all this petty complaining (not to mention the insane over reaction and violence at the US embassies) only brings about more offensive material and distaste of Muslims. Have they learned nothing from Everybody Draw Mohammed day?

Wait...

What?

Just what?

You are complaining that a community is peacefully protesting? And you are blaming this group (Which is peacefully protesting) for negative material coming out about Muslims? What?

Sorry, I can understand the anger against the rioters and whatnot (Although that was blown out of proportion and those responsible for attacking the embassy were removed by other citizens, the entire militia was kicked outa town.) but you are seeming to say that those who are currently protesting peacefully are not "Self aware" and that this somehow makes them DESERVE the offensive material and "distaste of Muslims".

To use an extreme example which will get me accused of Strawmanning (Which is fine by me, cause I am about to level an accusation of Racism to Mr Carter.) You sound like someone sitting there going "Well, if you complain peacefully about being raped, dont you understand that it makes you get raped more and people just have a distaste for all you victims for complaining?"

Hey, I didn't say they 'DESERVE' it, I merely said they caused it, I just don't think what they're doing is helping matters. Out of curiosity, have you heard of draw Mohammed day, and the few south park episodes that reference or include drawings of Mohammed?

Here's how it went down. Obscure dutch (I think it was a dutch paper, or maybe danish? I'm pretty sure it was a mainland European nationality beginning with D at any rate) newspaper cartoonist draws Mohammed. Some Muslims complain about Mohammed drawing. Hundreds of people everywhere accuse Muslims of over-reacting, whining, working against free speech (what I meant by distaste of Muslims). Said people Draw Mohammed a lot in protest. South Park makes episodes about it. More offense is generated.

See, not 'DESERVE', CAUSE.

(other examples: various comments in this thread)

As for rape example, the complaints would be far more worthy for a start, but, and this may get angry comments, if their complaints provably caused them to get raped again, wouldn't it be best to tell them to keep quiet? You know, to avoid rape. (This is strictly in the situation where it is proven that their comment would cause them to get raped, I am not in any way advocating rape or blaming the victim, this is a purely hypothetical and nonsensical situation. Rapists in real life are the scum of the Earth.)

 

[Worgen]

Ahh religion, you so crazy. It's somewhat ironic that a magical winged unicorn would make a better god then the ones they fight over.

 

[The Unworthy Gentleman]

He's currently in jail.

For his own protection or an actual crime I hope.

OT: This is getting tiresome. The film is a massive dick move but that's about all it amounts to, it doesn't really do much more than be a shitty film that nobody in their right mind would consider sitting through for the full feature length. While it's offensive it doesn't need to have death follow it or demand protests and riots, it's wholly unnecessary. While I commend them for maintaining a peaceful approach I can easily see this escalating when one bad apple jumps in.

 

[Flames66]

Well Ilias Kasidiaris does have a point... I mean assault is more peaceful than murder? At least I think that is the point he is going for.

Peaceful protest is a better way to go about this so while I do not like censorship I at least respect the people protesting in London.

I bet the maker of this film is damn pleased with the shitstorm it has caused.

I suspect that may have been the point. If you ever wanted an example of religion causing irrational behavior, the makers of this film have provided it. I respect anyone's right to believe what they like, but these people are irrational, hypocritical and obnoxious. I personally did not enjoy the part of the video I saw before closing it. I thought it was poorly made, dull and lacking in humor or merit, but I respect the right of anyone to make such a video without threats of violence.

 

[quantumsoul]

Some Muslims just don't get how counter productive these protests are. If you want to show the strength of your faith then ignore little things, like a terribly unfunny green-screened comedy that nobody saw. All they've done was turn something completely insignificant and easily forgotten into a monster; now everyone knows about it and people even died because of it. How sad to die for such a shitty movie.

Peaceful protest is preferable though. So at least that's something.

 

[tmande2nd]

Take a fucking joke and move on already.

Seriously it makes you look immature if you scream like a little kid at the slightest provocation.
YOU ARE BEING TROLLED DONT FEED THE TROLL.

 

[Something Amyss]

I DARE any of these types to protest in the USA.
They wouldn't last a hour.

Yeah, we don't tolerate any hostile protests!

...Unless Christians do them.

 

[Smooth Operator]

Did you hear how the Christians retaliated by starting riots, wrecking streets, waving signs of "BEHEAD THE INFIDELS" or even peaceful protests? Of course you didn't. Christians generally don't give a shit when people mock their god/religion, because being an ex-Christian I KNOW the bible tells them to simply pray for the sinners, pity the ones who mock God and move on. Not to fucking kill them with bombs.

They have developed a tolerance now but there were also periods of extreme ignorance and prejudice in the Christian world where people were slaughtered simply for not conforming to the one "true" idea.

All societies take time to grow and learn, some take more time to gain the experience then others.

 

[Driekan]

I'm generally appalled by the complete lack of empathy most people put on display.

I suspect a fair few of you have been bullied in your life. Imagine, if you will, a world where the bullying doesn't stop at you being shoved around or called silly names when you're a kid. A world where a vast, powerful and apparently monolithic (Viewed from the outside, of course) society seems intent on doing anything in it's power to harm you, every second of your life.

A society that passes laws specifically forbidding you from wearing a symbol that you hold dear. If you have a dead relative, for the sake of juxtaposition, imagine a law that specifically demands that you keep no picture or written record of that person. Specifically that person. Everyone else keeps their mementos, just not you.

A society that mocks and humiliates you at every turn, and when you are insulted, acts shocked and gets away with it smelling like roses.

A society that seems to dictate the rules of "the game" to you. A society that tells you what you should do, when, how and why, and is empowered to punish you for breaking their rules.

A society that, from all appearances, is intent on holy war against you and would like nothing more than to exterminate every last one of you.

I'd be pissed off against that society. I'd act against it every chance I got. And that is the image that "The West" (Stupid, artificial, made-up construct that it is) projects to these people, consistently and effectively.

People, this isn't about these muslim communities having to grow a thicker skin. This is about us having to grow a heart, because that cold, dark, dead thing that pumps blood to our brain needs fixing.

 

[CardinalPiggles]

I kind of have a hard time accepting that 'peaceful protest' and 'barricaded people in their office' go together. I'm sure the second part breaks at least couple of laws (Fire hazard being the only one I know for sure they must have in the UK).

Anywho, if the Muslims protesting are doing so in complete ignorance (IE haven't even watched the video they're killing people over), then just tear gas 'em or something. (The Muslims in London may not have been the ones who killed people, but what they're doing is still probably unlawful and unreasonable. And the fact that they're still protesting over something that they don't fully comprehend is reason enough to shoo them away using chemical agents or fire hoses if necessary 'cause they're obviously not going to listen to reason.)

There are laws that protect peaceful protests. If the police wanted to be pedantic about it then they could come up with something to disband the protest, but rationally they aren't doing anything wrong, and would have a strong leg to stand on in court.

As for the extremists, well they need stopping. What they did is murder and an act of terrorism seeing as they attacked an embassy and killed a peaceful representative of another country.

 

[Zeren]

I misread the title as "Muslim Protesters Google Target" and thought "Target.com isn't that hard to figure out. Why would you Google it?"

 

[cidbahamut]

All I'm seeing is a bunch of ignorant fools trying to censor my internet.

They all need to go jump in a lake.

 

[Sylveria]

Well Ilias Kasidiaris does have a point... I mean assault is more peaceful than murder? At least I think that is the point he is going for.

Peaceful protest is a better way to go about this so while I do not like censorship I at least respect the people protesting in London.

I bet the maker of this film is damn pleased with the shitstorm it has caused.

Not really. He produced the film under an alias and when he was found out, he went into hiding. He's currently in jail.

Well, he IS damn pleased with the shitstorm he caused. If you follow up on who he is, who funded him and what his aims were, the entire point of the film was to cause a shitstorm.

Hence the whole "Dubbing what the actors were actually saying and replacing it with nonsensical anti-Islamic bullshit". Then again, my views are based on what the Guardian states on the matter (The money came from Angry Copts and ultra-orthodox Jews, both of which want to destabilize the post-Mubarak regime, which was the entire point of the film).

And he is in Jail for violating the terms of his parole, what with being a convicted fraudster who was barred from using a false name or using the internet.

But anyway! Stand up for the freedom of fraudsters and religious maniacs! Free speech without any limitations (Which doesnt exist, anywhere at all, not even in the states) is worth anything!

I really don't get it. Are these people not self aware in the slightest? Don't they realise that all this petty complaining (not to mention the insane over reaction and violence at the US embassies) only brings about more offensive material and distaste of Muslims. Have they learned nothing from Everybody Draw Mohammed day?

Wait...

What?

Just what?

You are complaining that a community is peacefully protesting? And you are blaming this group (Which is peacefully protesting) for negative material coming out about Muslims? What?

Sorry, I can understand the anger against the rioters and whatnot (Although that was blown out of proportion and those responsible for attacking the embassy were removed by other citizens, the entire militia was kicked outa town.) but you are seeming to say that those who are currently protesting peacefully are not "Self aware" and that this somehow makes them DESERVE the offensive material and "distaste of Muslims".

To use an extreme example which will get me accused of Strawmanning (Which is fine by me, cause I am about to level an accusation of Racism to Mr Carter.) You sound like someone sitting there going "Well, if you complain peacefully about being raped, dont you understand that it makes you get raped more and people just have a distaste for all you victims for complaining?"

Mr Carter. "At least four people". Technically true. I love how you reported purely on the deaths of citizens from "Western" nations. Did you just bypass the news from Pakistan, all the deaths and injuries caused whilst police tried to stop protests?

Or does it not matter to you?

Strawman card thrown down. These protesters aren't victims. There are no victims here except the people the protesters and rioters are harming.

Oh and let us not forget those poor extremists who were harmed or killed while trying to harm and/or kill other people, those poor, poor fanatics. If only we had given them a free pass to murder more of innocent people cause they didn't like a movie.