Muslim Protestors Target Google

[Mr F.]

Also, "Muzzies"? Imma gonna flag this post in the vain hope that at least one moderator gives a flying fuck about the racism that gets thrown around on these boards.

Wait, muslims are a race? That's news, I thought Islam was a religion, so should anyone who calls christians bible thumpers, also be reprimanded for racism?
As Felix already ninja'd me, it just sounds like you're looking to ruin someone's day because you find it offensive, which is a highly uncivilized and childish response, sort of like death threats and wars on account of religious differences.

I don't agree with any people trying to cause censorship of things that are insulting but overall harmless, doesn't matter if it's violent or peaceful, I see this in the same light that I view the westboro baptist church opposing any convention or gathering, because they don't agree with them.

If my less than friendly disposition towards idiots who overreact and flip shit over insignificant bullshit, makes me look like a prick, so be it, at least I'm a chill prick who doesn't try and ruin other people's fun because I don't agree with it, unless I saw someone trying to rape someone else, then there'd be blunt force trauma dispensed and a 911 call.

I will make this very brief (Got shit to do).

Over here in Blighty free speech does not cover hate speech. I apply that logic to my entire life. Essentially, you are free to say whatever the fuck you like, as long as you are not insulting someone on race/religion/sexuality/gender grounds. Referring to Muslims as "Muzzies" and infantilising them in the way above would fall into that in my eyes, thus being something worth moderating.

You dont believe in people censoring shit that is insulting?

I firmly believe in people censoring shit that is hate-fueled.

Free speech doesn't work when most of the worlds population are a bunch of dicks. Perhaps, one day, we will have some form of utopia with mutual respect and whatnot. But until that day comes there should be laws to gag fuckers who deserve to be gagged.

Like crazy copt maniacs who want to produce hate filled bullshit. Or a lot of the people on this forum if they were to open their mouths in central London and not online.

 

[BroJing]

I kind of have a hard time accepting that 'peaceful protest' and 'barricaded people in their office' go together. I'm sure the second part breaks at least couple of laws (Fire hazard being the only one I know for sure they must have in the UK).

Anywho, if the Muslims protesting are doing so in complete ignorance (IE haven't even watched the video they're killing people over), then just tear gas 'em or something. (The Muslims in London may not have been the ones who killed people, but what they're doing is still probably unlawful and unreasonable. And the fact that they're still protesting over something that they don't fully comprehend is reason enough to shoo them away using chemical agents or fire hoses if necessary 'cause they're obviously not going to listen to reason.)

So to protect some ignorant assholes right of free speech we should stomp all over the rights of other people to *peacefully* voice their displeasure?

Sounds like a great plan.

People need to remember free speech works both ways, and while noone has the right to murder or get violent in response to something they don't like they damn well have the right to complain about it.

 

[MeChaNiZ3D]

Wow. Barricading Google's offices.

THAT'S REALLY GOING TO GET EVERYONE ON YOUR SIDE, AND WHAT'S MORE, IT'S ENTIRELY RELEVANT.

Just reinforcing my views that no matter what the reasons, giving in to oversensitive religious elements is going to lead to restrictions of information, and it's going to lead there fast.

 

[Gamer_152]

I have to admit, I'm slightly surprised that this many Muslims in the UK are actually trying to get this thing banned. I expected it from the Middle East, but to see this many people trying to turn against freedom of speech in the country I live in is a little shocking. I'm not going to tell them to "suck it up" and "quit being so sensitive" as some seem to enjoy doing. Although I think the reason why they're offended is silly, I can see why they're offended, and they have every right to be, the bit where this has gone wrong is where they think they're above free speech, but are able to provide no logical reasoning why that is the case.

This isn't just wrong though, it's incredibly stupid, these people are displaying a fundamental misunderstanding of exactly how society and media work. If they hadn't protested this film, nobody in the west would have a damn clue what it was, and those who did would largely have just laughed at it for being the abysmal B-movie rubbish it is. Instead, the uploads on YouTube for the trailers now collectively have over 22 million views, they're pushing for the movie that would otherwise have been mocked to be taken seriously, and they're making themselves look like the last people to be reasoned with in the process. They've screwed this up about as bad as is humanly possible.

 

[DoomyMcDoom]

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I will make this very brief (Got shit to do).

Over here in Blighty free speech does not cover hate speech. I apply that logic to my entire life. Essentially, you are free to say whatever the fuck you like, as long as you are not insulting someone on race/religion/sexuality/gender grounds. Referring to Muslims as "Muzzies" and infantilising them in the way above would fall into that in my eyes, thus being something worth moderating.

I can agree with the fact that your country's laws are your country's laws, however when someone throws a tantrum(even a well controlled one) and targets a multinational company for something they didn't create, trying to force them to take down the works of someone who made those works in another country, with different laws, I find that rather childish and immature, it's like someone holding a protest against microsoft, because some terrorist organization used computers with their operating system installed to plan an attack in a different country except, in this case, nobody was at all physically harmed by this video, nobody thought much of it, and the people at google, aren't responsible for whether or not someone/or a group of people, feel(s) offended by a video on youtube.

You dont believe in people censoring shit that is insulting?

I firmly believe in people censoring shit that is hate-fueled.

Free speech doesn't work when most of the worlds population are a bunch of dicks. Perhaps, one day, we will have some form of utopia with mutual respect and whatnot. But until that day comes there should be laws to gag fuckers who deserve to be gagged.

Like crazy copt maniacs who want to produce hate filled bullshit. Or a lot of the people on this forum if they were to open their mouths in central London and not online.

You do know that the most effective way to remove power from hateful terms is to laugh them off and carry on right? Most of the hateful assholes who spout the kind of speech to infuriate people based on race/religion/sexuality/gender are either doing so out of ignorance(people can learn if taught correctly, I've seen people go from racist pricks to overall decent people, it isn't an easy transition, but it can happen, fueling their hateful misconceptions however is the worst way of trying to do that, that and being agressive in trying to change their opinion, as all that does is either reinforce the negativity related to their hate, or make them defensive against you, also multiplying their hate as retaliation for a percieved attack on them or their upbringing), or they are TRYING TO PISS YOU OFF, why? Because if you start a fight over it, they can justify retalliation, and it makes YOU look bad, all they did was say something, you fought back... It's the school bully mentality, and if a person is truly insecure enough about who they are, and what they believe that some fucking moron saying something that badmouths them or someone close to them, causes outrage, all it says is that the individual/group doing so needs to grow up, or choose a different path in life, one they can feel confident, and secure in.

I've been looked down uppon, talked down to, told off, insulted, and outtright attacked for reasons of being different, but I never thought, "OH, PEOPLE LIKE THIS ARE ALL OUT TO GET ME! WAAAAAAAAH!!!" I thought "What the hell, are these people really so immature, or retarded?"
and carried on with my life, especially when all that was being thrown at me that day were words, from the mouthes of people with little intelligence.
On the internet, I just consider anyone who spouts stupid nonsense, or makes insulting videos about things to be either trolls, or stupid attention whores, nothing more.

You don't need some utopia of mature respect, to be mature, and ignore immature idiotic bullshit, in fact we can never hope to have such a utopia until people grow the fuck up and stop reacting in this way, to stuff like this.

 

[Mr F.]

I kind of have a hard time accepting that 'peaceful protest' and 'barricaded people in their office' go together. I'm sure the second part breaks at least couple of laws (Fire hazard being the only one I know for sure they must have in the UK).

Anywho, if the Muslims protesting are doing so in complete ignorance (IE haven't even watched the video they're killing people over), then just tear gas 'em or something. (The Muslims in London may not have been the ones who killed people, but what they're doing is still probably unlawful and unreasonable. And the fact that they're still protesting over something that they don't fully comprehend is reason enough to shoo them away using chemical agents or fire hoses if necessary 'cause they're obviously not going to listen to reason.)

And you have come to the conclusion that nobody taking part in this protest has any idea what they are protesting about and is ignorant... How? I mean, what part of their protest do they not understand.

"We think that the video, which we find offensive, should be taken down because it is offensive. So we are protesting outside the headquarters of the company that is refusing to take down the video to try and get them to take down the video"

Seems pretty easy to comprehend. I am pretty sure they comprehend it. What with the interviews with the organizers (Heard on radio four, this protest has been planned for quite a while) indicating that they are ALL intellectuals. At least the organizers, anyway. With a clear idea about what is making them angry and what they want to be changed.

So.

I think it is YOU who has no idea what they are talking about.

Also, not everyone within a faith group is responsible for EVERYONE ELSE within a faith group. By your logic all christian charities and groups should immediately stop all of their work until they bring the WBC into line. You can see how retarded that is.

I wish people would stop thinking that Muslims have some form of hive mind.

 

[Kopikatsu]

I kind of have a hard time accepting that 'peaceful protest' and 'barricaded people in their office' go together. I'm sure the second part breaks at least couple of laws (Fire hazard being the only one I know for sure they must have in the UK).

Anywho, if the Muslims protesting are doing so in complete ignorance (IE haven't even watched the video they're killing people over), then just tear gas 'em or something. (The Muslims in London may not have been the ones who killed people, but what they're doing is still probably unlawful and unreasonable. And the fact that they're still protesting over something that they don't fully comprehend is reason enough to shoo them away using chemical agents or fire hoses if necessary 'cause they're obviously not going to listen to reason.)

So to protect some ignorant assholes right of free speech we should stomp all over the rights of other people to *peacefully* voice their displeasure?

Sounds like a great plan.

People need to remember free speech works both ways, and while noone has the right to murder or get violent in response to something they don't like they damn well have the right to complain about it.

Still not seeing the 'peaceful' part of locking people in their offices, especially considering that, as I mentioned, it's illegal.

And tear gas isn't violent. It's an irritant to be sure, but very few people die or even suffer serious injury from it. Most of that comes from people panicking and trampling each other.

I kind of have a hard time accepting that 'peaceful protest' and 'barricaded people in their office' go together. I'm sure the second part breaks at least couple of laws (Fire hazard being the only one I know for sure they must have in the UK).

Anywho, if the Muslims protesting are doing so in complete ignorance (IE haven't even watched the video they're killing people over), then just tear gas 'em or something. (The Muslims in London may not have been the ones who killed people, but what they're doing is still probably unlawful and unreasonable. And the fact that they're still protesting over something that they don't fully comprehend is reason enough to shoo them away using chemical agents or fire hoses if necessary 'cause they're obviously not going to listen to reason.)

And you have come to the conclusion that nobody taking part in this protest has any idea what they are protesting about and is ignorant... How? I mean, what part of their protest do they not understand.

"We think that the video, which we find offensive, should be taken down because it is offensive. So we are protesting outside the headquarters of the company that is refusing to take down the video to try and get them to take down the video"

Seems pretty easy to comprehend. I am pretty sure they comprehend it. What with the interviews with the organizers (Heard on radio four, this protest has been planned for quite a while) indicating that they are ALL intellectuals. At least the organizers, anyway. With a clear idea about what is making them angry and what they want to be changed.

So.

I think it is YOU who has no idea what they are talking about.

Also, not everyone within a faith group is responsible for EVERYONE ELSE within a faith group. By your logic all christian charities and groups should immediately stop all of their work until they bring the WBC into line. You can see how retarded that is.

I wish people would stop thinking that Muslims have some form of hive mind.

The Innocence of Muslims is entirely inconsequential, and if they actually knew what the video was, then they wouldn't be protesting. They'd shut the hell up and go back home. As mentioned, what they're doing is actually illegal and not very peaceful at all. The police should take immediate action against them. I feel as though they haven't for fear of angering the Muslim community or somesuch.

 

[Mr F.]

I kind of have a hard time accepting that 'peaceful protest' and 'barricaded people in their office' go together. I'm sure the second part breaks at least couple of laws (Fire hazard being the only one I know for sure they must have in the UK).

Anywho, if the Muslims protesting are doing so in complete ignorance (IE haven't even watched the video they're killing people over), then just tear gas 'em or something. (The Muslims in London may not have been the ones who killed people, but what they're doing is still probably unlawful and unreasonable. And the fact that they're still protesting over something that they don't fully comprehend is reason enough to shoo them away using chemical agents or fire hoses if necessary 'cause they're obviously not going to listen to reason.)

So to protect some ignorant assholes right of free speech we should stomp all over the rights of other people to *peacefully* voice their displeasure?

Sounds like a great plan.

People need to remember free speech works both ways, and while noone has the right to murder or get violent in response to something they don't like they damn well have the right to complain about it.

Still not seeing the 'peaceful' part of locking people in their offices, especially considering that, as I mentioned, it's illegal.

And tear gas isn't violent. It's an irritant to be sure, but very few people die or even suffer serious injury from it. Most of that comes from people panicking and trampling each other.

I kind of have a hard time accepting that 'peaceful protest' and 'barricaded people in their office' go together. I'm sure the second part breaks at least couple of laws (Fire hazard being the only one I know for sure they must have in the UK).

Anywho, if the Muslims protesting are doing so in complete ignorance (IE haven't even watched the video they're killing people over), then just tear gas 'em or something. (The Muslims in London may not have been the ones who killed people, but what they're doing is still probably unlawful and unreasonable. And the fact that they're still protesting over something that they don't fully comprehend is reason enough to shoo them away using chemical agents or fire hoses if necessary 'cause they're obviously not going to listen to reason.)

And you have come to the conclusion that nobody taking part in this protest has any idea what they are protesting about and is ignorant... How? I mean, what part of their protest do they not understand.

"We think that the video, which we find offensive, should be taken down because it is offensive. So we are protesting outside the headquarters of the company that is refusing to take down the video to try and get them to take down the video"

Seems pretty easy to comprehend. I am pretty sure they comprehend it. What with the interviews with the organizers (Heard on radio four, this protest has been planned for quite a while) indicating that they are ALL intellectuals. At least the organizers, anyway. With a clear idea about what is making them angry and what they want to be changed.

So.

I think it is YOU who has no idea what they are talking about.

Also, not everyone within a faith group is responsible for EVERYONE ELSE within a faith group. By your logic all christian charities and groups should immediately stop all of their work until they bring the WBC into line. You can see how retarded that is.

I wish people would stop thinking that Muslims have some form of hive mind.

The Innocence of Muslims is entirely inconsequential, and if they actually knew what the video was, then they wouldn't be protesting. They'd shut the hell up and go back home. As mentioned, what they're doing is actually illegal and not very peaceful at all. The police should take immediate action against them. I feel as though they haven't for fear of angering the Muslim community or somesuch.

Oh god, I am going to get into this one last time.

JUST ONE LAST TIME.

Then I am going to call it quits and get back to work. Before I start let me restate the following: The escapist should no longer report on any actual news stories. Just stick to gaming and game related shit.

Right.

If I were to produce something and put it on youtube. Lets say it was a short film about how the Nazis are made of win, the Jews deserved everything and how Nazis are awesome. With a Nazi as a hero. And swastikas. LOTS OF SWASTIKAS. Oh, and just because, lets say I also state only 15,000 people died overall.

Now imagine I have made that.

Anyway, if I made that, and then some Jews came up and said "Google, remove this now" Nobody would care, people would agree and, very importantly, google would remove it. If I made the film and I were to be going through France or Germany, regardless of where I am from, I would be placed under immediate arrest.

The film would be barred to viewing in both France and Germany due to its nature. Anyone DELIBERATELY involved in the making of said film could be put under arrest in France or Germany as a result. If Google refused to pull the film down, they could get fined, protests would occur, blah blah blah, you get the idea.

The point I am trying to make is that in the law, in those two progressive western nations at least, the Jews get a lot more defense than Muslims.

Now, lets get onto the actual film (Although my direct allegory with the whole "Nazi Propaganda Bullshit Film Thing" that I just made is sorta the same, but whatever). It insults and degrades the entire Muslim faith, the prophet, EVERYTHING. Along with the whole "You cannot show images of the Prophet".

This particular protest is about the fact that youtube is refusing to pull down this video which a large part of the world finds offensive. Just focus on that. Normally this is the point in a debate on the escapist when someone links that fucking thick comedian going on about how "It doesn't matter if you are offended".

This is a peaceful protest. Nobody has been hurt, nobody has been injured. Sure, you might want to live in a country where people who make LIGITIMATE PEACEFUL COMPLAINTS are met with tear gas and fire hoses but I am pretty happy I do not live in Bahrain.

Or the USA.

So, once again, Peace out. I am jumping away from the Escapist forums until such a time as I think that they are at least partially rational.

 

[Driekan]

It's shit like this that makes me want to stop being tolerant of other beliefs.

It's funny you say this, because just yesterday, my little brother was telling me how he read part of the Quran or whatever. Some guys forced one on him while he was on campus or something. It's in my room right now. It's super tiny. Maybe less text than the first Harry Potter novel ( as something as an universal yardstick I'm hoping everybody can relate to ).

He said the first six pages pretty much can be summarized as zealous intolerance against everybody not Islamic. For example, something about the Christians all being sinners and liars, but not knowing they are liars because God made them blind or something.

I was like, "that's silly; that can't possibly be true." But he just told me to read it for myself, and he's not the kind to lie about this kinda thing. So, gonna have to read a few pages myself in the near future.

That is most definitely not a copy of the Qur'an. It is most definitely a smear job, and you're falling for it.

The content described and the way he got it makes that plainly obvious.

 

[Driekan]

Since smear jobs have been mentioned, I will go into this whole tangent a bit more. It is important.

You may have heard about a fatwa being issued allowing a husband being allowed to have sex with a dead wife, how it was being made into law in Egypt and how there was huge protests?

It was all over the place. Google it and you'll find several supposedly respectable, supposedly unbiased media vehicles reporting on it, complete with images of screaming arabic women.

Turns out the fatwa was not issued in Egypt. It was issued over two years ago. It has long been retracted. It was not being considered for law in Egypt. It was probably unheard-of in Egypt. No protests ever happened.

Begs the questions. How did these news articles ever come up? Where were those pictures from? Why did this happen? Who could possibly, honestly believe that such a thing would be put into law?

Finally, and most importantly: Who is doing this? Because this isn't one isolated case. Keep your ears to the ground and your eyes open, and every so often you'll find either outright false or distorted news demonizing muslims.

In short: If you are part of the (big, and growing) crowd that has a special dislike (Wont even say hatred) for muslims, or for islam, this is a picture of you:

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/2/2c/Flock_of_sheep.jpg/250px-Flock_of_sheep.jpg

And it is a step towards turning you into this:

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-7EAGyoRDcz4/Ty7w_0Y37zI/AAAAAAAAC_4/nuoN4TACwl8/s1600/Bellamy_salute_1.jpg

Good luck with your life.

 

[LordLundar]

wait what? what was four blocks away? congratulations on not being specific and sounding condescending.

i say the EXACT same thing about jews/christians/whatever the fuck you are, it's a god damn video on the goddamn internet.

So you don't read apparently, not even what you write yourself. If you had actually paid attention instead of going on your blind, hate filled rant you would realize that I was talking about the mosque that you apparently was not aware of that was already in the vicinity and didn't bother to do the research to find out about. But hey why let a little thing like facts get in the way of a bile filled hate-mongering, right? After all, you yourself are saying that these people should "get the fuck out" for exercising their rights in a peaceful manner because you don't like it. I mean, they're Muslims after all, it's not like they're people in your eyes.

And don't even try that BS of "same thing regardless of religion" because as I said earlier that same article has a section in it of a FAR worse incident yet you blindly ignore it to bash people who follow the Muslim religion.

 

[ScourgeOfHell]

Why I cant understand, for the love me, if WHY Google wont remove the damn video. I mean, it's not like the company will go bankrupt if they remove one video.

 

[SajuukKhar]

Why I cant understand, for the love me, if WHY Google wont remove the damn video. I mean, it's not like the company will go bankrupt if they remove one video.

They shouldn't have to remove ANY videos.

 

[Illyasviel]

That is most definitely not a copy of the Qur'an. It is most definitely a smear job, and you're falling for it.

The content described and the way he got it makes that plainly obvious.

Have you read the Quran? Because I read the first chapter off: http://www.alislam.org/quran/search2/showChapter.php?ch=2&verse=11 last night.

First six pages pretty much is a nonstop tirade segregating 'non-believers' and 'believers' ( a nice way to say a lot of name calling ): they are 'diseased,' 'liars,' 'deaf,' 'dumb,' 'blind,' 'fallen,' ( will not return ) 'ignorant' ( they are lying but do not realize it or do not perceive it so ). That's pretty intolerant, and while the text doesn't literally call for violence nor does it single out Christians, it is implied with the warning to ( not specifically Christians ) 'guard against the Fire of men and stones.'

Now, that's not a final impression of the Quran or Islam, that's a first impression. That's just the first chapter though, so who knows what mysteries the rest of the book holds right? I haven't read, neither has my brother, the entire text. But still, in the first six pages? That's not how you make a good impression.

You can respond with I'm a sheep, but can you actually spot a single where I've said anything actually false, misconstrued fact or otherwise stated anything I have to actually apologize for?

 

[ScourgeOfHell]

That is most definitely not a copy of the Qur'an. It is most definitely a smear job, and you're falling for it.

The content described and the way he got it makes that plainly obvious.

Have you read the Quran? Because I read the first chapter off: http://www.alislam.org/quran/search2/showChapter.php?ch=2&verse=11 last night.

First six pages pretty much is a nonstop tirade segregating 'non-believers' and 'believers' ( a nice way to say a lot of name calling ): they are 'diseased,' 'liars,' 'deaf,' 'dumb,' 'blind,' 'fallen,' ( will not return ) 'ignorant' ( they are lying but do not realize it or do not perceive it so ). That's pretty intolerant, and while the text doesn't literally call for violence, it is implied with the warning to 'guard against the Fire of men and stones.'

Now, I'm not really saying either way. That's just the first chapter though, so who knows what mysteries the rest of the book holds then? I haven't read, neither has my brother, the entire text. But still, in the first six pages? That's not how you make a good impression.

TROLOLOLOL. Outstanding. It's funny how obviously people tend to fall for this crap
First of all. That is not the first page of the Quran. If you've ever seen the Roman script, you would know that "2" generally comes after one" and "14" comes wayyyy after 1.

Secondly. This Surat that you quoted, was intended the Pagan Makkans. You know, those people that liked to bury baby girls alive, and thought that human sacrifices were a pretty nifty idea.

Thirdly, The Quran doesnt ever insult Christians, as you seem to believe it does.

"Surely those who believe, and those who are Jews, and the Christians, and the Sabians -- whoever believes in God and the Last Day and does good, they shall have their reward from their Lord. And there will be no fear for them, nor shall they grieve"
^this thing has been repeated about 20 times in the Quran.

"...and nearest among them in love to the believers will you find those who say, 'We are Christians,' because amongst these are men devoted to learning and men who have renounced the world, and they are not arrogant" (5:82)

 

[Whitbane]

Christ sakes, this is damn ridiculous. They haven't even seen the film and they're up in arms about it? That screams idiocy. Whatever, more dumb people being stupid and getting offended over nothing. Something that insults a religion? Holy shit, that's a new one.

 

[SweetLiquidSnake]

Why don't you just rename the article "Muslim protestors target ______" since it's a new thing pissing them off on a daily basis.

Don't these people have jobs or lives or do they just live to impose there lives and beliefs on others?

 

[ScourgeOfHell]

Christ sakes, this is damn ridiculous. They haven't even seen the film and they're up in arms about it? That screams idiocy. Whatever, more dumb people being stupid and getting offended over nothing. Something that insults a religion? Holy shit, that's a new one.

The reason they haven't seen the movie, is because they already know what's in it, and it's against their religion.
If I tell you I like watching porn in public , and people freak out, I can't respond by saying "Hey, you haven't even seen this porn. Watch it first"