MW3 plot worries

[Drummie666]

Okay, so far, there's been two trailers at time of writing, one showing the US and one showing England.

So, we have the US, the UK and Russia in a war. With 3 major countries fighting, I can guess that the writers are going with a fictional World War 3 this time around.

As we all know, the war between the US and Russia surrounds the events of No Russian.
Ignoring the massive plot holes for a moment, Russia invaded america because they believed it was a US supported massacre of russian civilians... which it, oddly enough, was. I mean sure, they went there to, if I remember correctly, get info on Makarov and put him on trial (Even though he was a known terror-sorry, I said ignoring plot holes) but to do that, they gave Allen full permission to kill every civilian he saw.

Again, ignoring the massive plot holes, this was the biggest problem with MW2's plot for me, I was on Russia's side the whole time.

Given that Russia is always the antagonist in FPS games, this means that it's going to be russia against the world, when it should be the world against the US. At least in my eyes.

Let's take a look at the ending of MW2, we have the ranger squad, who knows nothing about what's going on and the TF141 guys who are the only guys who know what's going on.
So there is a possibility that TF141 could somehow get the truth out... no, wait, their terrorists know, who the fuck would listen to them?

Well there you go, we don't even have any details yet on the plot of MW3 and I've already gone and given reasoning as to why the plot will totally suck.

So people, am I right, wrong or something completely different?

 

[Saelune]

The whole No Russian thing was stupid, but killing likely millions of Americans over a single airport of Russians is not ok. (Nor vice versa)
All of America should not be held responsible for a secret government spec ops group.
Ofcourse the entire conflict was started by a select few on both sides who due to stupid reasons severely reduced both side's populations.

 

[Drummie666]

...people actually give a shit about the plot in Call of Duty? I mean, at this point, the singleplayer campaign is just one big tutorial.

If we stop complaining about terrible plots, they will become the norm. I don't want that.

 

[WhiteShadow2401]

Plot? What plot? I just shoot everything that moves while enjoying a nice soundtrack and awesome cutscenes.

Or are we talking about a completely different Call of Duty: Modern Warfare, with an actual plot that nobody has told me about?

 

[ZeroMachine]

You're wrong.

Dead wrong.

So, so, dead wrong.

I posted this in another thread and have yet to get any sort of real response to it. So I think whenever I see people who don't understand the story to Modern Warfare 2 and think it's riddled with plot holes, I'll just leave this for them...

While reading these, please consider if you would bash the story if it was in another genre, like sci-fi or fantasy.

If the story doesn't at least make more sense to you after this, I give up.

Spoiler: Reason for the War

After Modern Warfare 1, Ultranationalists took over Russia. Zakhaev is labeled a martyr, and the controlling party in Russia is just waiting for a reason to attack the United States.

They find it. Makarov, one of Zakhaev's lieutenants, leads an attack on a Russian airport. A CIA agent who is attempting to take Makarov down from the inside is found out, killed, and framed for the attack- making it seem at a glance like the entire thing was funded by the US. The Ultranationalists jump at this opportunity and attack the States. Why didn't they investigate further? Most likely, they put Makarov up to it. The U.Nationalists hated America, so they had them framed.

Sure, it isn't realistic- but it isn't supposed to be super realistic. It's supposed to make sense and make for a good war plot. Whether or not it's good is up to the player- but it definitely makes sense.

Spoiler: Why they launch a Naval assault in Modern Warfare 3

It can be assumed that their ships are already there. There would most likely be ships at sea to help supply the air assault on Washington DC and the surrounding area in Modern Warfare 2. Therefore, it is simply a matter of shifting their forces north. Why New York? Why the hell not? It's another morale hit.

As for why they sent ships for the initial assault? They probably had them their, or at least close by, to begin with. As I said, the U.Nationalists wanted the US dead, so it was probably all part of the plan.

Spoiler: Why Shepard turned on MacTavish and his team

Let's start with the fact that he wouldn't be making any enemies if his plan had worked. 141's operation, the one he was running, was a covert op- one that all but the most privileged people didn't even know about. He attempted to have all of them killed to cover up the fact that he was the one to rat out the undercover CIA agent and cause the war. Why did he do that?

At the time of the story (and really, around now) we don't exactly have a huge amount of people willing to go to war. But, if we were attacked on our own shores, those numbers would go up exponentially. Sheppard believed our army, given those circumstances, would eventually dwarf Russia and we would become a force to be feared in the world. He felt that, with this push, his army could become the most powerful the world had ever imagined, and he could do anything with it.

Now... why did he do it all?

Because he was insane. He was in charge during the Op in Modern Warfare 1 to take down Khaled Al-Asad. And you know how that ended- the nuke. Sheppard lost thousands upon thousands of men from both the explosion and the battles around it. It was devastating. It took it's toll on him, and he eventually concocted his insane plan.

So yeah. He's that type of villain. Not super realistic, but again... it doesn't have to be.

To add too my original post.

Spoiler: How the remnants of 141 are a threat

They know that Makarov is the one to blame on the attack on the Russian airport, and if they hunt him down and capture him and extract information from him, they can get the proof they need and end the war.

I'm not worried about the plot at all. And chances are, it won't be "Russia vs the World", it'll be "Russia vs the United States". There was no hinting to other countries getting involved. If they do, though, they'll probably not have it all against Russia.

 

[LordRoyal]

...people actually give a shit about the plot in Call of Duty? I mean, at this point, the singleplayer campaign is just one big tutorial.

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I mean really who cares? The gamers don't care about the plot, the developers don't care about the plot. Hell even the reviewers most likely don't care about the plot. It's just there to balance the game out from being strictly a multiplayer game.

it won't be "Russia vs the World", it'll be "Russia vs the United States".

So every post Cold War ultra nationalist's wet dream? I thought Red Dawn was 20 years ago.

 

[ZeroMachine]

...people actually give a shit about the plot in Call of Duty? I mean, at this point, the singleplayer campaign is just one big tutorial.

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I mean really who cares? The gamers don't care about the plot, the developers don't care about the plot. Hell even the reviewers most likely don't care about the plot. It's just there to balance the game out from being strictly a multiplayer game.

Speak for yourself. I love the plot of both of those games. It's fun, it's visceral, it's over the top. It's a blast.

EDIT:

it won't be "Russia vs the World", it'll be "Russia vs the United States".

So every post Cold War ultra nationalist's wet dream? I thought Red Dawn was 20 years ago.

Yes. If you pay even the slightest bit of attention when they're explaining things, you'll hear, plainly, that Ultranationalist Russians are in control of Russia.

And I swear, if you say that "makes no sense", I'll flip. It's called fiction for a reason. It doesn't always have to make perfect sense.

 

[SupabadMan]

I actually like to give the plot to MW a bit of credit.
It may not be totally comprehensible, but it's definitely interesting, at least in my eyes.

 

[Luke5515]

From what I'm reading, your basically saying the 3's plot will suck because 2's plot sucked.
While normally that'd be a stupid thing to say, I'm going to go ahead and agree with you because this wasn't just a one time bad plot, this is a track record of bad, or at least not good, plots.
So yes, but no one will care and it will break sales records the world over.

 

[Waaghpowa]

Russia did it, The End.

 

[SovietSecrets]

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So glad I found your post and another person that enjoys the story as much as I do. Great explanation on everything.

 

[ZeroMachine]

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So glad I found your post and another person that enjoys the story as much as I do. Great explanation on everything.

WHOO! You just made my night! Finally, someone else who can pay attention XD

*internet high five*

 

[Frozen Donkey Wheel2]

Dude, the plot of these games isn't supposed to make sense, they're supposed to be FUN. There's nothing wrong with that.

The Modern Warfare games keep me entertained, and that's all I ask. I mean, there's a place for your Bioshocks and your Half Life's, and there's a place for Modern Warfare.

 

[Silas13013]

Oh come now, I thought the plot of the MW games was fantastic! The gaping plot holes made it a true joy to play because it became so bad it was funny. I actually look forward to MW3 because of the bad writing. At this point, it could almost be called satire.

Also, could someone refresh me on the story of MW1 because I recall that, as a self contained story, MW1 wasn't too absurd but I could be remembering it wrong.

 

[IBlackKiteI]

...people actually give a shit about the plot in Call of Duty? I mean, at this point, the singleplayer campaign is just one big tutorial.

Damn, freakin', right.

Its not so much that I think the plot is bad, its just...blatantly unnecessary or something.
Like, who seriously cares? Its like the plot of MW2 itself doesn't even take itself seriously, which is likely a good thing.

 

[Frozen Donkey Wheel2]

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So glad I found your post and another person that enjoys the story as much as I do. Great explanation on everything.

WHOO! You just made my night! Finally, someone else who can pay attention XD

*internet high five*

I would like to add that I also enjoy MW's plot. I really, really, hope Shepard comes back in MW3 with an eye patch. I mean, seriously: Wouldn't that just be perfect?

 

[SovietSecrets]

...people actually give a shit about the plot in Call of Duty? I mean, at this point, the singleplayer campaign is just one big tutorial.

Damn, freakin', right.

Its not so much that I think the plot is bad, its just...blatantly unnecessary or something.
Like, who seriously cares? Its like the plot of MW2 itself doesn't even take itself seriously, which is likely a good thing.

You should read some of the posts. People do actually play the game for the story. I buy MW for the story, everything else is just a bonus.

 

[ZeroMachine]

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So glad I found your post and another person that enjoys the story as much as I do. Great explanation on everything.

WHOO! You just made my night! Finally, someone else who can pay attention XD

*internet high five*

I would like to add that I also enjoy MW's plot. I really, really, hope Shepard comes back in MW3 with an eye patch. I mean, seriously: Wouldn't that just be perfect?

Nah- he's dead. Leave him dead. Cool as that might look, Makarov should be the main antagonist. It makes way more sense.

Each game has one major and one minor so far. Zakhaev and Al-Asad, Sheppard and Makarov, Makarov and ... I don't know... maybe some lesser guy... I think it'd be better that way.

 

[Hypertion]

Heres a idea for a plot additon.

right at the start you see some random guy shooting wildly in the air for the fun of it...

Half-way through the game.... ALIENS INVADE BECAUSE THEIR PUPPIES GOT SHOT. ITS BRILLANT! I DESERVE A EMMY FOR MY THUNK-FUL IDEA!

ha... i doubt anything that funny would happen but yeah it seems to me the COD series is starting to completly ignore the single player plot lines in favor of map-packs....