My biggest problem with The Dark Knight Rises... [spoilers ahead]
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I think Batman just got a little fed up, after all, they don't show him the same courtesy.
So, the only logical thing to do is to KILL EVERYONE WHO GETS IN YOUR WAY.
Besides, they were planning on murdering a few million people...
I think it's fair game.
So, the only logical thing to do is to KILL EVERYONE WHO GETS IN YOUR WAY.
Besides, they were planning on murdering a few million people...
I think it's fair game.
"I knew you were that Batman!"
"But how did you know it was me?"
"One day Bruce Wayne came to visit our orphanage, and he looked really sad, because his parents had died."
Character interaction worthy of George Lucas.
"But how did you know it was me?"
"One day Bruce Wayne came to visit our orphanage, and he looked really sad, because his parents had died."
Character interaction worthy of George Lucas.
I find it kind of funny that some of you guys are focusing on the fact that the bomb would have caused radiation and fallout, and not the fact that you can't fucking turn a fusion reactor into a bomb just by reprogramming it. If you're going to focus on where the plot deviates from reality, that's probably the best place to do it.
But even then, I don't mind. I mean, it's Batman. He glides around in tights punching bad guys into piles of mush. I like the cartoony silliness. Looking for realism in a movie like this sorta ruins it.
OT: Well, Bane did say he'd have to break his one rule....
But even then, I don't mind. I mean, it's Batman. He glides around in tights punching bad guys into piles of mush. I like the cartoony silliness. Looking for realism in a movie like this sorta ruins it.
OT: Well, Bane did say he'd have to break his one rule....
BUT GUYS! The flaming Bat inspired people. It wasn't pointless theatrics, it was a battle banner, a rally for everyone to fight, Batman was back in town sorta thing and by god he made sure everyone knew. It certainly did it's job too.
EDIT: Then again, after the ridiculously high expectations people had for this film, I'm not surprised there isn't more fanwank about this sort of inconsequential shit. Also, Batman wasn't intending to kill the guy, he merely wanted to stop the truck, the guy dying was an unintended side effect. It's called Consequentialism people.
EDIT: Then again, after the ridiculously high expectations people had for this film, I'm not surprised there isn't more fanwank about this sort of inconsequential shit. Also, Batman wasn't intending to kill the guy, he merely wanted to stop the truck, the guy dying was an unintended side effect. It's called Consequentialism people.
Usually if I have to refer to articles in order to explain to people what was wrong with a film, I'll just accept that it was actually okay.Thibaut said:
I have no problem with the fire bit but you can't ignore that he would definitely be heavier than the average person and earlier in the film we saw an average person fall though the ice.Plazmatic said:
While yes, his armour is 'light', it would still have some weight to it, plus he's a muscular dude, gonna be packing some pounds himself. And the way he just nonchalantly strolls around like the ice ain't no thang. Not so much a plot hole as a continuity problem.
The plot of this movie shouldn't have happened because the nuke wouldn't decay in months, but within hours, maximum, and it wouldn't detonate by itself.
Also why couldn't Bruce just reverse the fraudulent transactions on the stock market? So many witnesses saw it was Bane screwing Wayne Enterprises with that shit.
Also why couldn't Bruce just reverse the fraudulent transactions on the stock market? So many witnesses saw it was Bane screwing Wayne Enterprises with that shit.
Ra's al Ghul is a Master Level Sneak Trainer who maxed out Batman to 100 Sneak with all perks, including Light Foot. Through sheer use, he's maxed out his Light and Heavy Armour skills, so he already has Unhindered and Conditioning, respectively.TheFederation said:
But yeah. I loved the movie while watching it, but after kind of letting it soak in, I just like it. It's no Dark Knight, nor even Batman Begins or Gotham Knight or Under the Red Hood, but it's still pretty good.
I enjoyed the film. I never noticed that, but yeah, that does sound bad. But to add to the discussion, I'll just add my biggest issue with the film:
My biggest issue was Bane. Not because he was bad, but because he was just SOOOO close to being even better than the Joker. He was big, he was intimidating, the camera work and music worked flawlessly to make him appear even moreso, and he was intelligent. But two things ruined it. One of which is spoiler-free, but a nitpick, and the other is spoiler-tastic and completey ruined him.
1: Like I said, the physical performance, dialogue and camera/music work made him seem menacing... And then he starts taking. You just can't take him seriously. It takes you out of it. And sometimes you might not understand.
My biggest issue was Bane. Not because he was bad, but because he was just SOOOO close to being even better than the Joker. He was big, he was intimidating, the camera work and music worked flawlessly to make him appear even moreso, and he was intelligent. But two things ruined it. One of which is spoiler-free, but a nitpick, and the other is spoiler-tastic and completey ruined him.
1: Like I said, the physical performance, dialogue and camera/music work made him seem menacing... And then he starts taking. You just can't take him seriously. It takes you out of it. And sometimes you might not understand.
The reveal of Talia. This completely changed the character of Bane. And not in a good way.
Think about it. Why was the Batman and Robin version of Bane so stupid and hated? Simple:
He was just a big, dumb grunt.
Dark Knight Rises was having him a lot closer to his comics version: Big and powerful, but also cunning and intelligent. A diabolical mastermind who could also throw a damn hard punch. And then they reveal Talia. That she was the mastermind. That she found out who Batman was, and that this was all her plan, and that she was the child who managed to escape the inescapable prison. .
So if Talia was the cunning, tortured, vengeful criminal mastermind, what does that make Bane? Simple:
A big, dumb grunt.
Sure, he's not as stupid as he was in B&R, and he certainly had charisma. But he's not a mastermind. He's not able to figure out Batman's identity. He was not able to break Batman mentally, he was just the tool, and the one who breaks him physically. Not only that, but the reveal messed up his origin, which until then, was almost completely right.
And to top it all off, he's taken out rather unceremoniously, right after what was until then a good fight.
Think about it. Why was the Batman and Robin version of Bane so stupid and hated? Simple:
He was just a big, dumb grunt.
Dark Knight Rises was having him a lot closer to his comics version: Big and powerful, but also cunning and intelligent. A diabolical mastermind who could also throw a damn hard punch. And then they reveal Talia. That she was the mastermind. That she found out who Batman was, and that this was all her plan, and that she was the child who managed to escape the inescapable prison. .
So if Talia was the cunning, tortured, vengeful criminal mastermind, what does that make Bane? Simple:
A big, dumb grunt.
Sure, he's not as stupid as he was in B&R, and he certainly had charisma. But he's not a mastermind. He's not able to figure out Batman's identity. He was not able to break Batman mentally, he was just the tool, and the one who breaks him physically. Not only that, but the reveal messed up his origin, which until then, was almost completely right.
And to top it all off, he's taken out rather unceremoniously, right after what was until then a good fight.
if we're going for realism and realistic science, that's not true. The US did experiments to try and make tidal waves with bombs, but even with stupidly powerful bombs they never got a wave that could do any damage to any city.The Plunk said:
Now in movies that would be the case, because awesome, but in reality, it is nowhere near powerful enough (especially as it's in the air rather than ontop of/in the water).
Well, a couple of options. He could have slid around on his belly to disperse the pressure on the surface of the ice. He could have some how used "the Bat" to hover over the ice and spray the lighter fluid on the ice. He could have stood on the bridge with a super-soaker full of kerosine - cause, you know, he's Batman.anthony87 said:
So this was a new origin for the Batman Family. Maybe the writers were taking it way back to the original comicsDJ_DEnM said:
Batman, as originally conceived and written in the Detective Comics used guns and regularly killed people. I can't remember if it was MovieBob or the Podcast crew, but they brought up one example where Batman used his whole "I am going to drop you off a high roof" torture routine on a bank robber... just minus the rope...The I shall not kill was a product of the Golden Age overhaul wherein the comic book publishers were trying to maintain their business in the face of ongoing "studies" and cultural beliefs that comic books caused: violence in children, homosexuality in children, and the rise in juvenile crime rates leading into the '50s.... Factors they did not include were, I dunno, the massive child boom that took place in the mid- to late-40's.... More juveniles might lead to more juvenile crime, but I haven't done any research into this
This type of character narrative of "I SHALL NEVER TAKE A LIFE!!!" became the norm in the Silver Age of Comics which was triggered by the creation of the Comics Code Authority. Other examples include: Green Arrow, Wonder Woman overhaul, Green Latern overhaul, etc.
Eh, he killed Harvey Dent and it was pretty emblematic of his descent into villainy in the eyes of the public. Maybe he still thought of himself as a villain and modified the "no killing" rule to "if there's no other option then kill away". Alternatively he might've figured there were kinda bigger fish to fry with the whole nuke thing even if it is against his code of ethics.
As for the nuke thing, just roll with it. I'll be the first to admit that in shoving ludicrous amounts of symbolism into the movie Nolan lost a lot of the realism. I mean it is still without a doubt my favourite movie but Nolan's love of James Bond was certainly showing.
As for the nuke thing, just roll with it. I'll be the first to admit that in shoving ludicrous amounts of symbolism into the movie Nolan lost a lot of the realism. I mean it is still without a doubt my favourite movie but Nolan's love of James Bond was certainly showing.
Pretty sure that was an intentional thing. To show progression from when he was having trouble with not falling in when training with Ra's Al Ghul. And the armour is pretty lightweight, I think.TheFederation said:
He pancaked a cop car in BB when he was escaping the asylumd the cops were alright. Pretty sure he tactically crushes shit to avoid death.
I find it interesting that we've all spent the last 8 years making fun of the fact that nobody can figure out the guy who owns a tank is the resident billionaire who returned from being declared dead just about the time Batman showed up. Then as soon as somebody thinks "Damn, I can totally get why Batman would do that" then sees billionaire who he knows has similar feelings, then makes all the other logical connections, it's suddenly unbelievable.