My goverment Sucks, new anti piracy laws sneaked into law.

[Arachon]

How is it narrow? Is it not narrow to just be ok with piracy then also? I mostly dont like the OP guy, otherwise I would have skipped this topic. I don't pirate either, but if something is unobtainable, due to maybe not being sold anymore, then I can understand that, since then its not hurting anyone.

It is narrow, because you seemingly equated someone who didn't like a draconian law with a pirate. If that's not the case, then I have misunderstood you, and apologize. Yet my point remains, the law is absurd, and the "war on piracy" is disproportionate.

And if you're posting in this thread merely to spite the OP, you might want to go take a look at the rules [http://www.escapistmagazine.com/forums/codeofconduct] again.

 

[Saelune]

How is it narrow? Is it not narrow to just be ok with piracy then also? I mostly dont like the OP guy, otherwise I would have skipped this topic. I don't pirate either, but if something is unobtainable, due to maybe not being sold anymore, then I can understand that, since then its not hurting anyone.

I actually am not familiar with the specific law he mentions, but my point was about piracy in general. If the law is absurd (as most anti-piracy stuff actually is, since it hurts non pirates more usually) then thats a problem with the law specifically.

Wait what? you don't like me and that's the only reason you posted. I don't even know who you are. Or is it the post you don't like, did you even read the article before shooting your mouth off? It's a stupid law that directly contradicts our privacy act and the government rushed it into law so people would not have time to protest against it. I'm just pointing it out, Why the hate?

....I hate being wrong >.>
I assumed something, and was wrong. Im...sorry....*cringes*

 

[Hashime]

Well, that sucks 1, and 2, It will not make a huge dent in piracy. There are many free and paid services that allow you to DL music and tv shows over port 80 (standard internet) so it will appear to be regular usage. Unless they look at every site you visit you will be safe.

Plus you can just rip music from youtube, and I can imagine the problems that will come from people DL'n through unsecured or poorly secured wifi connections.

 

[Wintermoot]

and how is this supposed to stop piracy?
I,m pretty sure a bit of tinkering with the system might even make it useless (just look at the internet security in China, the site ban,s where easily circumvented).

 

[Alex Cowan]

The thing that irrittes me about this whole debate is the ignorance of the law-makers. When referring to Britailn' beloved Digital Economy Bill, it seems that the MPs involved in drafting had no concept of how the Internet works/have ignored how it works for the benefit the lobbyists. The sheer act of using the Internet involves downloading, and if the Act was passed in this condition it would be SO easy to be got on a technicality.

Also in an interview, one MP genuinely believed that the 'IP' in 'IP Address' stood for Intellectual Property. THIS is who is making the law.

 

[Trogdor1138]

This sucks absolute ass. This is when government takes things way too far with something like this.

I'm hoping Australia doesn't follow up with this, I have a feeling...

If they did, internet companies would lose half their business because we wouldn't have anything to download.

 

[Slick Samurai]

Hah, I love it when pirates pull out the 'ol "But innocent gamers could get harmed!" argument. Which actually is, "But this could affect ME!".

Pirating is like masturbation, sometimes teenagers high five about it behind closed doors, but they don't have the guts to talk about it in the open.

 

[gellert1984]

http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2011/04/an_own_goal-2.html

To clear things up a little, a lot of the news articles I've seen are implying things like there being little to no burden of proof for suspension.

Spoiler

Good:

* Three notices needed within 9 months to go to Tribunal
* Users can stay anonymous and send response via ISP
* Users remain anonymous at Tribunal stage unless they lose
* Notices must be sent to ISPs within 20 days of alleged infringement, so a huge number can not be collated over months and then piled into an ISP
* Rights holders will have to pay a fee per notice, to cover their admin costs in issuing the notices
* Termination/Suspension is an option only for courts, not the tribunal (or ISPs)
* Termination is defined as suspension of that account for up to six months so law is clear
* A new definition of ISP to be drafted for S92A only, which will be narrower then current definition which includes employers, bloggers etc.
* ISP given statutory protection where they comply with the Act and any court orders
* Law not to come into effect until six months after amendments passed
* 92A to be available for P2P infringing only, and material under 92C excluded from gambit of 92A

Not so good:

* Time between 1st and 2nd notice can be as little as 10 working days and 10 again between 2nd and 3rd. That means you can get to strike three in a month.
* The fee rights holders pay to ISPs is set by Govt and will not include capital costs of modifying systems
* No sanctions on right holders for false notices
* Termination/Suspension is still an option

 

[icaritos]

A lot of people in these forums are a bunch of hypocrites. I also believe that video game piracy hurts the industry, but having said that i also lived 3 years in a 3rd world country where if you wanted a game, pirating was basically the only option.

Either way just look in your ipod, i will bet most of the songs there are pirated and can indeed be penalized under this law.

Not everything is black and white and you can't just pick and choose the things you find ok to pirate. If you are against, then throw your ipod away (most anyways, im sure there are like 2 people in the planet that purchases all their songs).

 

[RevRaptor]

I see all of the pirates in disguise in the thread are having a great time bashing this.

I bet 90% of the people on this forum that keep spreading paranoid bullshit about how the "big bad government" is just making these laws in some kind of an attempt to limit peoples freedoms are either just actual pirates who won't admit that they pirate but find some other excuse to bash this, or are a part of the Anti-GovernmentEverything camp.

Note for example, that the OP links to Torrentfreak and then doesn't actually say anything about why he thinks this is bad other then that it is bad.

and?

Torrent freak is a news site, it just happened to have the best version of this article.(I posted another link for those that didn't want to go to there)
I didn't add anything else to the post because the article speaks for its self.
Although I did explain what was going on in a post later on for the opinionated muppets that are blowing wind without even reading the news article.

I'm far more concerned about the government ninjaing this bill through and violating the privacy act. they have tried every thing they can to deny the public any say in this matter.

 

[Sir Thomas Sean Connery]

I would voice my opinion honestly, but that can be EXTREMELY dangerous in this type of thread, so I'll just say something random.

Dumb law. New Zealand is still the best country in the world.

 

[TehRandom1]

I'm really worried about this. As a student in NZ, I flat with 4 other guys and the internet is connected under my name. I don't want to foot the bill for a massive fine because someone decided to pirate...

At least it's an election year

 

[Plurralbles]

IT seems like intellectual property is soley used by already-ares' in society(if you understand what I am saying) and I have begun to be against the whole damn thing.

I don't think the governments of the world care a whole lot about the people and shutting htem off of an avenue for democratic discussion, jobs, and whatever seems to be unreasonable punishment and I'd like to see it enforced in the first place: People still drive without a license). WHo's going to make sure they aren't at a friend's house using their internet and that's the spirit of hte law; you can't punish a property.

 

[Bane_Star]

I live in NZ too and we have a country of 4 million, and already have among the worst internet in developed countries. It's slow and the cap is small.. yet they pan piracy? I wouldn't think we contribute much towards it at all.
Terrible.

Maybe the idea is to stop people using too much bandwidth torrenting,

Prime Minister: Why is the Internet so slow today?

Son: Probably the torrenter next door is taking all the bandwidth.

Prime Minister: The B****rd, I'll put a stop to this..

 

[idodo35]

you think your goverment sucks? try living in israel! our goverment are a joke!
they are the religions' ***** seriosly they paying the religios extrimists to prety much study "holy studies" and "pray for us" (they dont have to work or serve in the millitary either)...

 

[Steve the Pocket]

Either way just look in your ipod, i will bet most of the songs there are pirated and can indeed be penalized under this law.

And clearly you know this because you have been spying on everybody in the world, eh? I suppose if the government wants to know who the pirates are out there, they can just ask you.

 

[icaritos]

Either way just look in your ipod, i will bet most of the songs there are pirated and can indeed be penalized under this law.

And clearly you know this because you have been spying on everybody in the world, eh? I suppose if the government wants to know who the pirates are out there, they can just ask you.

Yes respond to my post by building a straw man, truly magnificent.

My statement is only subjective, but out of all the people i know (about 30 for which i can speak with confidence) all of then download songs illegally. I know more people that have over 4000 songs listed, i don't know whether or not they download them illegally, but we can both agree that is a reasonable assumption, no?