My goverment Sucks, new anti piracy laws sneaked into law.

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Steve the Pocket

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icaritos said:
Steve the Pocket said:
icaritos said:
Either way just look in your ipod, i will bet most of the songs there are pirated and can indeed be penalized under this law.
And clearly you know this because you have been spying on everybody in the world, eh? I suppose if the government wants to know who the pirates are out there, they can just ask you.
Yes respond to my post by building a straw man, truly magnificent.

My statement is only subjective, but out of all the people i know (about 30 for which i can speak with confidence) all of then download songs illegally. I know more people that have over 4000 songs listed, i don't know whether or not they download them illegally, but we can both agree that is a reasonable assumption, no?
I really don't think you know what a "straw man" is, except that it's something to say when you want to discredit someone else. For the record, it means making assumptions about the person you're arguing with even though you don't really know anything about them. Like, that they pirate most of their music, for instance.

And as far as thinking your group of friends is a good enough sample to make an educated guess about society at large or even your own age group, how many things can you think of that nobody you know likes, but are obviously really popular? Reality TV shows? Justin Bieber? I can go on, but you get the idea. Obviously people who know and hang out with each other are going to have similar interests.
 

icaritos

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Steve the Pocket said:
icaritos said:
Steve the Pocket said:
icaritos said:
Either way just look in your ipod, i will bet most of the songs there are pirated and can indeed be penalized under this law.
And clearly you know this because you have been spying on everybody in the world, eh? I suppose if the government wants to know who the pirates are out there, they can just ask you.
Yes respond to my post by building a straw man, truly magnificent.

My statement is only subjective, but out of all the people i know (about 30 for which i can speak with confidence) all of then download songs illegally. I know more people that have over 4000 songs listed, i don't know whether or not they download them illegally, but we can both agree that is a reasonable assumption, no?
I really don't think you know what a "straw man" is, except that it's something to say when you want to discredit someone else. For the record, it means making assumptions about the person you're arguing with even though you don't really know anything about them. Like, that they pirate most of their music, for instance.

And as far as thinking your group of friends is a good enough sample to make an educated guess about society at large or even your own age group, how many things can you think of that nobody you know likes, but are obviously really popular? Reality TV shows? Justin Bieber? I can go on, but you get the idea. Obviously people who know and hang out with each other are going to have similar interests.
It is a straw man fallacy since you built your argument around the side issue (not everyone downloads their songs) instead of the main issue (what about those who illegally download their songs). They are close enough to be related but derail the main point, hence a straw man argument a fake argument. The fallacy you described is somewhere between hasty generalization (as the names implies, usually applied to a group) and ad hominem (attack the speaker, not the argument).

Still you have a point and i might construct a poll later to see what is the percentage of escapists who have downloaded songs illegally.
 
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Good idea, perhaps not entirely thought through, and dubiously implemented.

But like I say, I support the initial idea, banning people who pirate from the internet is a pretty basic blunt force way to deal with it, a lot like putting people in prison is a pretty blunt force way to deal with any other number of crimes, and it's served us for millenia.

Maybe this is indeed the new way forward, with so much being online. I remember reading Neuromancer for Sci-Fi earlier this year and the punishment for the main hacker, who basically pirated things and hacked systems, was to be disconnected from the internet.

But the implementation does bother me. I have to say though, if you're going to oppose this bill, oppose it because of the suspect use, not because 'it's anti-piracy.'

You do know that despite all arguments to the latter, piracy is still illegal (in most places yadda yadda yadda)? When you pirate, you commit a crime, and are a criminal, automatically. Until the debate is finished on whether or not morally piracy is etc etc don't want to get into it, you have to accept the consequences of your actions.

Por exemplar:
You can argue that murder is just population redistribution, but until the rest of society and the government agrees with you, you go to prison if you kill someone. (And I know this metaphor is way out of proportion, I am not implying that piracy is murder I just wanted to use the phrase 'population redistribution' to describe murder, you should however get the gist.)
 

Steve the Pocket

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icaritos said:
i might construct a poll later to see what is the percentage of escapists who have downloaded songs illegally.
On this forum, you mean? Because admitting to piracy is grounds for being banned on this site, last I checked. Unfortunately. Because it seems like a poll like that would be useful.