My Little Pony: Friendship is Mind-Control
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I snipped away the rest, since the reason I didn't read it that way is because I never see the old treated badly, excepting those who would be treated poorly in the same circumstance regardless of age, such as the homeless.ToastiestZombie said:
In fact, I usually only ever see them given leniency.
So if he meant it like that, yes, I agree we should not treat the elderly like crap based solely on their age.
I think a safer, more practical, more applicable message, if that is the case, would simply be "Listen to the opinions of others."deadish said:There is a "disturbing" amount of people with pony avatars in this thread. LOL
I have never watched that show, but I have saw the "opening" in some youtube video. Well, errr ... It's definitely for girls I can tell you that.
While I have watched Carebears as a kid, I'm not sure how this compares. Either way, I might be a little "too old for this shit".
I think his point was, most people don't listen (nor respect) the advice of their elders even when they should - when it's in their best interest.MaxwellEdison said:
Granted not all of them are worth listening too. But those that are, have nevertheless experienced more than you. Why would you not listen to someone who is more knowledgable than you? You can learn from their mistakes and gain from their experience.
A lot of young people seem to think that "old people" are "stuck in the past" when the reality is they are learning about the world just as much as they are - barring dementia; they perceive everything you perceive - it's just that they interpret the data acquired differently because they have a past knowledge in which they add to the interpretation process - they have more "sample points" in which to drawn conclusions from.
No one is asking you to blindly accept what your elders say, but there are a lot young people who just dismiss them out of hand.
I like to think of it as the "hubris of youth".
N00bi3s should know their place.
That is the problem. You have never seen old people being directly treated badly because they are tucked away either alone in their house or in an old folks home, they are forgetten and they probably have a very bad way of living.MaxwellEdison said:
Sorry, you've caught me at a bad time to say that. My immediate family has been helping to directly care for my grandfather for more than a year. Not saying this to guilt you - simply pointing out that what you just said is untrue and a huge assumption on your part. I spend a lot of time with the elderly, and I do help care for them.ToastiestZombie said:
I don't think that the solution to the problem of some of our elderly being ignored is stating we should respect them specifically, since that comes with extra baggage. We should just learn to respect *everyone*.
Yeh I feel how you feel. My grandparent was basically living alone chair bound for about 2 years before he died and my uncle went over their every day to care for him. It's just I'm really talking about the old people who have terrible kids and grandkids who don't care for them or nothing. That just sickens me sometimes when I see some people basically just leaving their ill elders alone and lonely, but there are a lot of charities and stuff that help them which is pretty good.MaxwellEdison said:
God this thread has veered way off the topic.
No offense to the OP, but I just couldn't take the main topic seriously, so I don't mind too much.ToastiestZombie said:
That would explain strong bad sassin' fluttershy in your avatar if I was to hazard a guess. Email 199 flies right in the face of what mlp is teaching. I mean honestly who disagrees with him:http://www.homestarrunner.com/sbemail199.htmlThe Jakeinator said:
...What? Agreeing with and taking on board a message is being 'indoctrinated' now? I'll start worrying when they start demanding sacrifices at the pony shrine. I've watched every episode to date just because I was bored and I want to keep up with the zeitgeist, and I don't think it's anything more than a mediocre kid's cartoon. I haven't gone mental and started spewing bullshit about friendship so I think it's okay.
You guys have both described what American TV was like 5 years ago. Considering that BBC America is a lot like what American TV was like ten years ago, I have a feeling we're cross pollinating in such a way that we get each other's trends with a five year delay.ToastiestZombie said:
OT: First of all, Bronies came from /co/, not /b/. There is more to 4chan than /b./ Second, nobody has been brainwashed here. It's a fandom, and it has its own language, just like any other. Do you think Star Trek has brainwashed its fans because they have in jokes, and the more obsessed members have actually learned Klingon? So why would you accuse My Little Pony of brainwashing its fans? I mean, yes, it has a little moral message in every episode. That was a calculated move on the part of The Hub to get an e/i logo on the thing, because of a law that was passed in the 90's that banned network TV from showing a TV show and advertising toys based on it at the same time, and at the same time requiring a certain amount of e/i programming to be shown every week. Those rules don't apply to cable, but it still helps to have a show with that logo, since it means a better likelihood of having stations that want to air it in syndication down the road. If you want to accuse MLP of being a brainwashing conspiracy, I'm afraid I have to tell you it's much more widespread, and the government is behind it.
I say it's just because it's honestly a very well made show. We all have major doubts about things in the beginning, about how "this might not be good" or "this just looks stupid" and so on. But when you watch it, your ideas of what you thought it was shatter under what it actually is.
That's pretty much it. Same thing happened to me but with Adventure Time. I thought it looked like a stupid show, and curiosity insisted I check it out, and now it's one of my favorite shows.
That's pretty much it. Same thing happened to me but with Adventure Time. I thought it looked like a stupid show, and curiosity insisted I check it out, and now it's one of my favorite shows.
Sigh*
Once again I make a thread where 90% of readers don't understand what I'm trying to say. No I don't believe that the creators of the show are actively conspiring to mind rape everyone into love and tolerance. No I don't think bronies are going to take over the world or some shit. That would be stupid.
I do however think there has been some change in the way the audience behaves, both in a trivial sense and also in more substantial ways, and I think that change can be attributed to the show itself. I thought it was fascinating that a child's cartoon show could have that effect. Is that so crazy?
Once again I make a thread where 90% of readers don't understand what I'm trying to say. No I don't believe that the creators of the show are actively conspiring to mind rape everyone into love and tolerance. No I don't think bronies are going to take over the world or some shit. That would be stupid.
I do however think there has been some change in the way the audience behaves, both in a trivial sense and also in more substantial ways, and I think that change can be attributed to the show itself. I thought it was fascinating that a child's cartoon show could have that effect. Is that so crazy?
Oh god! I've been brainwashed to become a nicer person!
Yeah, yeah, I know what OP is trying to say. But what I think is that all kids shows try and teach messages like that of MLP. The older generations of MLP also taught the same thing (of course not nearly as well is Friendship is Magic). This show just happens to have taken off more with an older audience than expected.
Furthermore, I see nothing wrong with being a better person by watching tv and spending time on the internet. Brainwash away, Ms. Faust.
Yeah, yeah, I know what OP is trying to say. But what I think is that all kids shows try and teach messages like that of MLP. The older generations of MLP also taught the same thing (of course not nearly as well is Friendship is Magic). This show just happens to have taken off more with an older audience than expected.
Furthermore, I see nothing wrong with being a better person by watching tv and spending time on the internet. Brainwash away, Ms. Faust.
There aren't many, but I've encountered a couple. Best to just ignore them when they pop up.DarthFennec said:
One pony thread page, one pony user group link:
http://www.escapistmagazine.com/groups/view/MLP-Friendship-is-Magic
I recommend that anyone who joins turn chat notifications off when prompted as the group chat is generally quite active.
This man speaks wisdom. I'm quite active on a couple of pony forums (fora?) and that's what it seems like to me. Everypony there are genuinely nice and kind people, and before the pony fandom came about most of them found they had to keep a tight rein (ba-dum-tssh) on their nicer impulses online lest they be trolled or made fun of. The brony community is a safe place to allow their niceness to show.DarthFennec said:
I still curse, shout, rage, and use racial epithets even after watching episodes of My Little Pony. My god, I must be the Omega Man.
Oh my god, you go on about this like it's a bad, or even possible to eliminate, thing. Of course you pick up things by exposure. To annul that, you'd have to be living in a sensory deprivation chamber for your entire life.
Not to mention that this kinda stuff only sticks if the mind isn't rejecting it. Most people would reject a racist undertone, but not one of acceptance since this only brings stuff underneath the surface. The only way to pound home a racist thing would be to start young and never let up on it. You don't see people just becoming racist out of nowhere anymore. It's learned.
Also of interesting note; for every fanatic, there's probably 5 casual fans (yes, I pulled that stat out of my ass, but the point still stands that there are far more people who enjoy it but never talk about it than there are people who plaster it everywhere). Think about that, and how large the reach of this show is.
TL;DR:
Your tin foil hat is on too tight.
Not to mention that this kinda stuff only sticks if the mind isn't rejecting it. Most people would reject a racist undertone, but not one of acceptance since this only brings stuff underneath the surface. The only way to pound home a racist thing would be to start young and never let up on it. You don't see people just becoming racist out of nowhere anymore. It's learned.
Also of interesting note; for every fanatic, there's probably 5 casual fans (yes, I pulled that stat out of my ass, but the point still stands that there are far more people who enjoy it but never talk about it than there are people who plaster it everywhere). Think about that, and how large the reach of this show is.
TL;DR:
Your tin foil hat is on too tight.
I am as big a brony as they get, but I'm don't love and tolerate everyone. In fact I do the exact opposite. I'm an asshole, I know that. So your thesis is flawed.