my mom HATES violent video games

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Fraught

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Gxas said:
You're 13. You shouldn't be playing M-rated games. What she did was right as a parent.

Wait until you're 17, then you can play.
Oh god, this again.

What decade is this, the '40s?

Seriously, I'm 15, and all the games I play are M (well, mostly, it just so happens to be), and I've played them regularly since I was like 12.

I also played a lot and watched a lot of M games when I was 6 or 7, and am I so different from someone who hasn't played them at such an early age? No.

Quite the opposite. I know a guy who doesn't play that much games, but he does drugs, and drinks and goes to parties, and man, he is one grumpy mutha'.
 

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Clearly your mom is being over protective, and she is watches the news too much about the psycho batshit crazy kids that go an waste themselves and some others. Try to find something that your mom would think would be worse than video games, pot? Or just keep harping on her about how wrong she is (make sure you do it right too, or you'll just end up hurting your case eg don't take the the fox appoach: loud doesn't equal right). In the mean time find another game, say drake's fortune or rent kill zone.
Also I'm sure your mom knows you watch violent movies/ tv and they haven't fucked you up.
 

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Fraught said:
Gxas said:
You're 13. You shouldn't be playing M-rated games. What she did was right as a parent.

Wait until you're 17, then you can play.
Oh god, this again.

What decade is this, the '40s?

Seriously, I'm 15, and all the games I play are M (well, mostly, it just so happens to be), and I've played them regularly since I was like 12.

I also played a lot and watched a lot of M games when I was 6 or 7, and am I so different from someone who hasn't played them at such an early age? No.

Quite the opposite. I know a guy who doesn't play that much games, but he does drugs, and drinks and goes to parties, and man, he is one grumpy mutha'.
But he is 13 living with his parents. If they say that he isn't allowed, then he isn't allowed. Simple as that. I honestly don't understand why people get so up in arms about this. I mean, instead of complaining about them not letting you play, prove to them that you're mature by accepting their decision.
 

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Gxas said:
But he is 13 living with his parents. If they say that he isn't allowed, then he isn't allowed. Simple as that. I honestly don't understand why people get so up in arms about this. I mean, instead of complaining about them not letting you play, prove to them that you're mature by accepting their decision.
Yeah, yeah, rules are rules. We should all listen to our parents' demands, no matter how baseless.

If he 'proves to them that he is mature' and accepts their decision, and doesn't try to avert their opinion of this, then what's the point of proving it to them in the first place?
 

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Fraught said:
Gxas said:
But he is 13 living with his parents. If they say that he isn't allowed, then he isn't allowed. Simple as that. I honestly don't understand why people get so up in arms about this. I mean, instead of complaining about them not letting you play, prove to them that you're mature by accepting their decision.
Yeah, yeah, rules are rules. We should all listen to our parents' demands, no matter how baseless.

If he 'proves to them that he is mature' and accepts their decision, and doesn't try to avert their opinion of this, then what's the point of proving it to them in the first place?
I understand your question, but honestly have no answer for you. I'm going off of my own experiences. I proved to my mom that I was mature enough to handle M games by just accepting that I wasn't allowed to play them in the house (friend's houses were acceptable) and, eventually, she allowed me to play them. I don't know what really changed her mind, I'm just going by what I saw. Besides, now that I am mature, I realize that all my complaining about it was just childish and stupid.
 

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jagula_sector said:
Okay, so first off the reason for all the grammatical errors was because A. it was 12:30 am and B. I was in a hurry. Second the first time I acquired the game it was because my mom bought it.
Then just tell your mom to look at the ESRB rating on the back before she gets you anything, then you won't have this problem of having a game taken away from you.

I've found that parents are blissfully unaware of ESRB rating reasons, yet still complain about no one warning them about violent games. If you show her a couple game cases and where to find the rating reasons, you'll get along much better.
 

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hi guys I have a problem, my mom completely hates violent video games especially if they are rated M. I'll explain when my mom got me a ps3 for christmas i got mw2 two days later (buying it with my own money i might add) and she was fine with that next day she shows up while im playing and requests to see the game so i proceed to show her, not even after watching for 5 seconds she says no, and tells me to take the game out and give it to her then she goes and returns the game. the next day I ask her why she did that and she says she doesn't want to talk about it and threatens to take the ps3 away entirely if i ask again. about two weeks later i spend some time thinking of a few things i could try to use to justify me being allowed to get the game (by this time she has allowed me to get uncharted 2 which has amazing single player and very good mp but it's just not mw2) so i go to her and we have a good 2 hour long conversation on why the game is violent. At the end of it she says she will look into it and research the game. I ask her about it 4 days later and shes shut tight about it again threatning to take away the ps3 and by this point i had already disproven her claims that the game would make me violent or desensitized so when i ask her why she just says you know why. so that night i compiled some videos off youtube one showing some clips one from a t rated fps, battlefield: bad company and then one from a mp match in mw2 and i didn't tell her which was which and she said she would buy me the one that was mw2 but not bad company after i told her what the next two clips where and picked two very similar clips to the first two the only difference now she knows which is which, not even 20 seconds into the mw2 clips (which at this point the only thing that has happend is the person walked around a bit shot a bit and missed then got killed) she says it's too horryfying to watch. I've also tried getting her with the bandwagon "it's ruining my social life because everyone has it and I don't" thing but it didn't work either. any suggestions guys?

Info on me:
13 years old, iq:134 extremely mature for my age, father has died, report card usually consists of all A's and possibly one to two B's maximum, not violent at all, very compassionate and understanding, follows rules, has never had more then one detention in a school year (usually from my cellphone being on in class or a teacher that just plain trying to find ways to get me in trouble.)
I watched a lot of violent movies and played a lot of violent videogames from a very young age. I really regret this. I'm not psychotic. However there's a real downside to this kind of exposure early.

1. You begin to associate violence with maturity, this is the complete opposite of the truth, a mature person is someone who avoids and abhors violence. It takes a long time to unlearn this fallacy and will colour your tastes in video games, movies and all kinds of media. This usually results in you getting crap shoveled at you and you buy into it because it conforms to your view of the world. (see: Warrior within, the hostel movies.)

2. Violence ceases to shock you. This is a pain in the ass in two mains ways, one is the commonly cited de-sensitization argument. You become so used to depictions of violence that you fail to understand it's context and deeper implications. Violence always happens right? Why try to stop it? Why not even contribute, drop in the ocean right?
If high handed moralizing doesn't turn you hows about for entertainment:
Horror movies don't scare me anymore, that sucks. Half of the fun of those kind of movies (now I'm talking about decent ones, try A tale of two sisters, Rec. or Cloverfeild). Thriller and detective movies (Se7en, Zodiac) become less interesting.

I'm not saying one game will do all this to you, or even that MW2 is even a particularly violent game, for the record i think the violence is not gratuitous or inappropriate, but keep in mind that you're parents have this kind of logic in mind when they do this.

Also think about how much better fps multiplayer will be when YOU'RE 17, that will be worth waiting for, trust me.
 

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waaah? Hell, I'm 16 and my dad took my GTA 4 away, he said he'd give it back at Christmas but he seems to have lost it
 

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Gxas said:
You're 13. You shouldn't be playing M-rated games. What she did was right as a parent.

Wait until you're 17, then you can play.
This. It's irresponsible parents who allow there underage kids to play these kind of games that cause most of the political problems we see these days. Bravo to your mom
 

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Well, my mom really doesn't like video games in general at all, I tried to get her involved before with playing games such as Rock Band (1 and 2) and wii games and that kind of thing but she just doesn't like them, and I'm seeing that it really seems as though a lot of you didn't even read my entire first post, because you don't adress what I say more then two sentences back, so i'll say now, I showed her two VERY similar clips from a mw2 mp game the first time not telling her the second time telling her what it was she was fine with it the first time, but the second time when I told her what it was she didn't even watch it for more then 20 seconds in which time all the person had done is run around and fire a few shots (all of which missed) then get sniped.
 

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Your grammar makes me doubt your information about yourself that you included. Not calling you stupid or anything, it's just that I had a hard time reading that paragraph.

Listen, it doesn't matter. If you mom doesn't want you playing violent games, listen to what she says. Or you could start her out easy, like with a less violent game like Resident Evil 4 like I did. That was my first M rated game and then I slowly built myself up to the point where it doesn't matter much anymore.
 

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same here, im 15 and whenever i come home after getting in trouble at school its the games fault, when im pissed about her telling me im going to be 500lbs and living on wellfare when i grow up im clearly pissed at a game.
 

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Hey man...... its not your fault. Even if you are the most mature 13 y/o in the world, you will still be judged by your peers behavior. Most notably those kids that make news worthy bad decisions. It translates to; "These games made other kids in my child?s age range do stupid and horrible things. I need to protect him from making the same mistakes."
Is it fair? NO But it is your parents responsibility to filter your social/entertainment based intake.
On that note nothing piss me off more then when im at a store and see some spoiled rotten little shit bullying their parent into getting them what they want.
 

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i just had a debate project in gov class about violence in video games, and i raped the other team so bad they'll never get the cum-stains of shame washed off. i know how to handle your mom (BOW CHICKA BOW WOW)

Before i say anything, i just wanna say that considering she's a single mother, she loves you very much and i can see she's trying her best to be a mother. your mom is an example of the kind of parents i was asking for in my speech actually because some parents give their kids games they've been asking for like GTA4 or Gears of War 2 and then they blame the game developer for 'turning their child into a violent person'. you mom is doing exactly what i wanted parents to do in my speech. look at the ratings before you let your child play the game!!!

first, showing your mom what MW2 was about was possibly the WORST idea EVER. when you get shot, there's no health bar, your screen just gets covered in blood, pretty graphic. there's also a dozen levels in the game where in Washington D.C. and that may seem very fiction, but the game's graphic's are AMAZING, so it creates an extremely real view of war on the american homefront (SPOILER ALERT: IT WAS RUSSIA!). watching the white house burn while snipers pick off your nuts one at a time isn't the prettiest sight. someone also drops the f-bomb late in the game, and there are subtitles, so good luck dodging that one.
but that's not the worst part, there's a level in the game that is so contreverstial, it will be talked about and remembered for all of time. SPOILER ALERT: in the game, you (aka pvt. allen park) become an undercover CIA agent who start's working for a mercenary and the game's main villan, Makorov, so intel can learn more about him. shockingly enough, while your working for makorov he has an assignment that involves walking into a russian airport and opening fire on at least a hundred unarmed civilians with fully automatic heavy machine guns. a few of them have 9 mm handguns, but they're airport security, and you have light body armor. the level is called NO RUSSIAN, and you're as smart as you say you are, you can easily see why. HOWEVER, because this clearly might offend russians and unarmed civilians, the game asks you if you want to skip that mission due to content twice; once before the game starts and again right before you play that level.

now about solving your gaming crisis, i'd advise looking at games with unrealistic violence, like ratchet and clank, that's a classic right there. you could go buy call of duty classic, it may be 1944 and not 2010, but it's rated T and your not shooting civilians, your shooting nazis, your mom should be ok with it as long as she's not a nazi sympathizer, which i doubt she is (and i pray she isn't, or else a huge majority of games will be out of your reach).

if your mom has a question about content and you know she's not gonna like the answer, make up something, like "that's not blood, they're robots fueled by fruit punch"(GoW2) that was a pretty stupid lie, but you get the idea.

Halo 3 and ODST are good choices. you're shooting aliens for god's sake, and you're using weapons of the future, not always bullets either. when you see a dead brute or grunt covered in their glowing blue blood, you won't vomit and ask yourself "what have i done?", you'll rejoice with your fellow human companions in glory that you've saved earth one battle at a time.
the whole game plays pretty unrealisticly. you look like a motorcross/paintball god and you can jump 10 feet in the air. in ODST however, you're not a god, but you can see in the dark better than a bat does, and when you do, everything looks 3x more unrealistic. did i mention that in both games you're 3x bigger than normal cars?

if you're feeling brave, you can try brutal legend, it's rated M (FOR A VERY GOOD REASON) but if you do ask, tell your mom that the game allows the player to self filter game content. in the opening cutscene, it actually stops twice and ask you about censoring language and blood in a very humorous way. like for cursing the two options are "please censor it!" or "ok, but only when it's funny" and for the part about blood it say "no blood please!" or "I WANNA SEE EVERY BIT OF IT!". it's hilarious, trust me. plus, that entire game itself is really unrealistic "hey, where i come from, this guitar makes noises. here, it blows stuff up." if your mother think's you'll be inspired by jack black of all people to go into public and attempt to electrocute people with your power of metal, she's f**king paranoid.

avoid zombie shooters, because they might be possibly the most fun ever, there's only 1 good zombie shooter out right now, and that's Left 4 Dead 2. my friend has it, and he says valve did a really good job detailing it. if you shoot a hole-in-one (NOT A PUN, GO AWAY GOLF NERDS) you can see right through the zombie, plus all the blood and intestenes fall out and drop on the ground. the game plays just like the perfect zombie movie. come to think of it, the game is EXACTLY like the scene in dawn of the dead where they come out from under sewer pipes to run to the gun shop, and at the end where the 4 of them get to the island swarming with zombies. but only two those scenes. the rest of the movie they're either in a badass bus, in the safe security of the mall, or in a group larger than or equal to 5.

Finished with my woman 'cause she couldn't help me with my mind
People think I'm insane because I am frowning all the time
All day long I think of things but nothing seems to satisfy
Think I'll lose my mind if I don't find something to pacify
Can you help me
occupy my braaeaain?
Oooooooooooh yeah

i love that song

also, i asked my mom for a bit advice, and i actually got a good idea from her, i'm shocked. here's what you do: choose games within your rating range (eC - T) and show your mom videos of game content from T games only, no M+17 games. showing your mom content from M games is just stupid, she might not let you play T games if you keep doing that. it's actually a really good idea, the more T games you show her, the more she will accept some violence (over a long period of time of course. but at the end of that period, you'll probably be 15 or even 16 which when your mom might let you play some M games).

i know i wrote a lot, but if you wanna play MW2 with the big dogs, read it.
 

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Nigh Invulnerable said:
Gxas said:
You're 13. You shouldn't be playing M-rated games. What she did was right as a parent.

Wait until you're 17, then you can play.
And thus ends the discussion on this thread.

I'm not sure how you got a M rated game, OP, since you're only 13, but it doesn't matter if it was with "my own money" or not, the game is intended for people older than you and there are fines for businesses that sell to underage people. Play anything you like that's rated T or whatnot and just wait a while. By the time you're actually 17, most of the appeal that M rated games have to you now will have dwindled. Gore and boobies are far less exciting once you're basically done with puberty.
Agree. If something can be said about this example is that his mother took the time to do research, was savy enough to know what the rating means, and cares that his son doesn't play games that are not intended for him. That just overrules all the main complains about parents that complain about violent videogames.