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Taerdin

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falcontwin said:
I think people who discount poplular music as shit aren't really fans of music at all. People who cannot appreciate a well written song are usually the same people who won't see any movie that isn't showing on a 6 foot screen at an arthouse theater. Music snobs are not music lovers they are people who will only allow themselves to like music noone else does to prove their individuality. How does saying you like the song 'for starlit beaches' from Yndi Halda make you anymore of a Lover of music than someone who Says the song 'Family portrait' by Pink really means alot to them?

Music snobs don't like music they like knowing about music noone else likes!
Again, I hope this is not in response to my OP. I'm not saying no popular music AT ALL is heartfelt and genuine, but I just feel like what other people are pushing on me, and criticizing me for not being 'into' just doesn't feel... real to me. I feel like whats popular is becoming more and more samey and soulless, and I was just hoping people could save me by suggesting some music, and possibly telling me I'm not crazy, or that I'm completely wrong and can prove it so.

When a vocalist drones on in a robotic tone about the same two or three things every other song is about I dont feel anything.

When someone passionately sings their heart out about something they truly believe in or feel, that often moves me.

I'm getting more of the first one than I like out of popular music... is what my rant is about... :(
 

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Siuss said:
Ultrarandom said:
Some songs I find deep and meaningful as they relate to myself would have to be
I Am Ghost - So, I Guess This Is Goodbye
Alesana - Goodbye, Goodnight for Good
Bullet For My Valentine - Watching Us Die Tonight
Bullet For My Valentine - Road To Nowhere

Avenged Sevenfold - Dear God (You forgot Seize The Day...")
The Used - Tunnel
Umm, good sir, I own all the BFMV, and neither of those songs appear to be on any of my CDs... What are they from?

Excellent taste by the way!


EDIT:
Songs that mean a lot to me...
Seize The Day - Avenged Sevenfold
I won't see you tonight pt.1 - Avenged Sevenfold
Dear God - Avenged Sevenfold
All These Things I Hate (Revolve Around Me) - Bullet For My Valentine
Tears Don't Fall (Both Versions) - Bullet For My Valentine
Hearts Burst Into Fire (Both Versions) - Bullet For My Valentine
Forever And Always (Both Versions) - Bullet For My Valentine
Say Goodnight (Both Versions) - Bullet For My Valentine
Vermillon (Pt.1 and 2) - Slipknot
The Nameless - Slipknot

There are a ton of other songs, but I feel the list has already gotten rather tedious...
Those 2 songs are part of the Scream Aim Fire Deulxe. Also they did a number of covers people haven't heard about like "Welcome Home (Sanitarium)", "Creeping Death", "Crazy Train" and "Domination".
 

BubbleGumSnareDrum

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Siuss said:
I don't really know what kind of music you like but if you think all modern music has become soulless, I suggest you listen to "Avenged Sevenfold" by Avenged Sevenfold, and "Waking the Fallen" also by Avenged Sevenfold.

They are albums not just tracks.
Avenged Sevenfold is one of the most commercial and thrown together excuses for a metal band I know of. They're almost as douchey as Metallica.

And Bullet for My Valentine just makes me fucking cringe. I'm just glad underground metal still has balls, and the big classics will never get old, of course.

Lately when it comes to music I've been on a folk and electronic kick. The Prize Fighter Inferno and Hadouken! are awesome.

Jagers1994 said:
What the hell do you mean metal doesnt change with trends.
Just as a couple of examples hers metal from the 70s
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_aIhh9nFYv4
From the 80s
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e322vTpTyOE
90s
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jRYDetbwegs
Nowadays
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=klweUM8wj4g

The 70s were about working class metalheads who put all their heart and soul into a song.
The 80s were about being rich and being better than everyone else. And coke.
The 90s were about not being rich and not doing coke.
Nowadays metal is all about being a scapegoat for politicians and overall being a steriotypical as possible. Thus giving metal a bad name.

I know all these examples are very mainstream. Thats the point they are mainstream because they are trendy.

Okay the OP. Yes music has gone down the shitter. I like the older bands better than the new crap. I miss when musicians actually put their soul into music. They sung well and played amazing guitar and bass, drums. It used to sound like this.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AyG6ubvDQ34&feature=channel_page
But alas no more.
Quiet Riot is not a metal band and Enter Sandman is not a good example of metal in the 90s. Metal is much too broad to call the different styles of it based on decade. Priestess released their first album in 2006 and they sound like a stoner metal band from the 70s.
 

Ghandi 2

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The radio in the '70s sucked too. Music is not dead, stop idolizing the past.

And fucking LOL at the guy who said Avenged Sevenfold.
 

Ultrarandom

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CaptainEgypt said:
Avenged Sevenfold is one of the most commercial and thrown together excuses for a metal band I know of. They're almost as douchey as Metallica.

And Bullet for My Valentine just makes me fucking cringe. I'm just glad underground metal still has balls, and the big classics will never get old, of course.
Bullet For My Valentine and Avenged Sevenfold aren't even considered Metal. They're what is known as Metalcore. Some good underground metal would be: Behemoth, Gorgoroth, Immortal, Carcass, Blacktooth and The Duskfall.
 

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Ultrarandom said:
Bullet For My Valentine and Avenged Sevenfold aren't even considered Metal. They're what is known as Metalcore. Some good underground metal would be: Behemoth, Gorgoroth, Immortal, Carcass, Blacktooth and The Duskfall.
Thank for the unneeded namedrops. I never thought I'd see the day when scene kids would scamper around Hot Topic grabbing Behemoth t-shirts and copies of Death's Symbolic.
 

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CaptainEgypt said:
Ultrarandom said:
Bullet For My Valentine and Avenged Sevenfold aren't even considered Metal. They're what is known as Metalcore. Some good underground metal would be: Behemoth, Gorgoroth, Immortal, Carcass, Blacktooth and The Duskfall.
Thank for the unneeded namedrops. I never thought I'd see the day when scene kids would scamper around Hot Topic grabbing Behemoth t-shirts and copies of Death's Symbolic.
Majority of them won't I just have a more diverse range of music tastes.


EDIT: plus Hot Topic is not in my country so scene kids here cannot shop at Hot topic.
 

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I honestly dont listen to radio in the classic sense of the word. Whenever my computers on I listen to a combination of the Dance and Electronica channels on Pandora. I dont even attempt to keep up with modern songs. I love rock and metal but its just getting too generic, if it speaks to me Ill get it but otherwise I dont bother.
 

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EXPLICITasian said:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CvCOAQwVA2E

Kinda how you feel, not mainstream, I doubt you've heard anything like this unless you live in Minnesota
I just moved to PA from MN, and I'm a HUGE Atmosphere fan, so you can imagine my surprise when I found Overcast!, Lucy Ford, Seven's Travels and When Life Gives You Lemons... at the local Best Buy. I think I may have teared up for a second.
 

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Jagers1994 said:
Fatalis67 said:
Everything popular is a pointless trend that's popular for a month before nobody listens to it again. I listen to metal, it's infinitely more interesting and doesn't change with trends. It lets the music evolve slowly and more naturally rather than changing dramatically every couple of months to mimic the latest trendy band.
What the hell do you mean metal doesnt change with trends.
Just as a couple of examples hers metal from the 70s
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_aIhh9nFYv4
From the 80s
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e322vTpTyOE
90s
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jRYDetbwegs
Nowadays
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=klweUM8wj4g

The 70s were about working class metalheads who put all their heart and soul into a song.
The 80s were about being rich and being better than everyone else. And coke.
The 90s were about not being rich and not doing coke.
Nowadays metal is all about being a scapegoat for politicians and overall being a steriotypical as possible. Thus giving metal a bad name.

I know all these examples are very mainstream. Thats the point they are mainstream because they are trendy.

Okay the OP. Yes music has gone down the shitter. I like the older bands better than the new crap. I miss when musicians actually put their soul into music. They sung well and played amazing guitar and bass, drums. It used to sound like this.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AyG6ubvDQ34&feature=channel_page
But alas no more.
Yeah, older music, but not too old, is better. You compare the huge bands from the late 80s/early 90s (Slayer, Metallica etc.) and there was none of this shit about looking good, it was about the music and getting drunk. And it stayed like that with bands that grew up listening to Slayer and Iron Maiden and Megadeth, bands like Pantera. Then a couple of years passed and everything was going fucking awesome. Pantera were one of the biggest bands in the world. Slayer just kept on rolling out amazing music (Except for Divine Intervention, of course). Death Metal was on the rise and getting better each year. Goths used to be the only people to shop at Hot Topic. Things were good.
Then all the young lads came along. The people who grew up listening to Pantera. Bands like Avenged Sevenfold and My Bloody Valentine, or whatever the fuck it is. Fucking tryhards. They try so hard to be metal and to be cool and look at them, they fucking fail at it. Not so much MBV, they have some good music and can play really well but holy shit, the singer is fucking terrible and they have so much shit music, it cancels out the good music. Avenged Sevenfold though, ohh man. Theyre so bad that not even playing a cover of Panteras most popular song, Walk, could save them. A song which was fucking ruined by them btw, mainly the singer. I mean come on, he sounds like one of the whiniest little bitches I have ever heard. Not to mention that they look like fucking stupid when on stage and in music videos, with all the make up and shit.
Eventually though, this fad will die. Hopefully, before I die. Just so I can find a guy who used to be emo or scene of whatever when he was younger and laugh at him. Just point and laugh in the middle of the street. When bands like My Bloody Valentine and Avenged Sevenfold have died as bands and I walk down the street without seeing some kid who makes me rage at everything they reperesent. Ahh, thinking of that, when this trend has passed, is a great thought.
/rant
 

Taizan

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I love how this has descended into another emo discussion/rant. I'm sure there's another one like this around :O

I have to agree however, 80's and early 90's metal is easily the best there is (excluding Sabbath!), but as to some people saying music today is dead, have they even tried listening to TV On the Radio or Fleet Foxes? Bloody amazing new ( or relatively new, in TOTR's case) bands.
 

Jagers1994

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WeedWorm said:
Jagers1994 said:
Fatalis67 said:
Everything popular is a pointless trend that's popular for a month before nobody listens to it again. I listen to metal, it's infinitely more interesting and doesn't change with trends. It lets the music evolve slowly and more naturally rather than changing dramatically every couple of months to mimic the latest trendy band.
What the hell do you mean metal doesnt change with trends.
Just as a couple of examples hers metal from the 70s
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_aIhh9nFYv4
From the 80s
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e322vTpTyOE
90s
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jRYDetbwegs
Nowadays
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=klweUM8wj4g

The 70s were about working class metalheads who put all their heart and soul into a song.
The 80s were about being rich and being better than everyone else. And coke.
The 90s were about not being rich and not doing coke.
Nowadays metal is all about being a scapegoat for politicians and overall being a steriotypical as possible. Thus giving metal a bad name.

I know all these examples are very mainstream. Thats the point they are mainstream because they are trendy.

Okay the OP. Yes music has gone down the shitter. I like the older bands better than the new crap. I miss when musicians actually put their soul into music. They sung well and played amazing guitar and bass, drums. It used to sound like this.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AyG6ubvDQ34&feature=channel_page
But alas no more.
Yeah, older music, but not too old, is better. You compare the huge bands from the late 80s/early 90s (Slayer, Metallica etc.) and there was none of this shit about looking good, it was about the music and getting drunk. And it stayed like that with bands that grew up listening to Slayer and Iron Maiden and Megadeth, bands like Pantera. Then a couple of years passed and everything was going fucking awesome. Pantera were one of the biggest bands in the world. Slayer just kept on rolling out amazing music (Except for Divine Intervention, of course). Death Metal was on the rise and getting better each year. Goths used to be the only people to shop at Hot Topic. Things were good.
Then all the young lads came along. The people who grew up listening to Pantera. Bands like Avenged Sevenfold and My Bloody Valentine, or whatever the fuck it is. Fucking tryhards. They try so hard to be metal and to be cool and look at them, they fucking fail at it. Not so much MBV, they have some good music and can play really well but holy shit, the singer is fucking terrible and they have so much shit music, it cancels out the good music. Avenged Sevenfold though, ohh man. Theyre so bad that not even playing a cover of Panteras most popular song, Walk, could save them. A song which was fucking ruined by them btw, mainly the singer. I mean come on, he sounds like one of the whiniest little bitches I have ever heard. Not to mention that they look like fucking stupid when on stage and in music videos, with all the make up and shit.
Eventually though, this fad will die. Hopefully, before I die. Just so I can find a guy who used to be emo or scene of whatever when he was younger and laugh at him. Just point and laugh in the middle of the street. When bands like My Bloody Valentine and Avenged Sevenfold have died as bands and I walk down the street without seeing some kid who makes me rage at everything they reperesent. Ahh, thinking of that, when this trend has passed, is a great thought.
/rant
Avenged sevenfold are almost the worst of this whole death metal thing in recent years. I did read all of that by the way.
 
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Why all this emphasis on meaningful music? Sure cleverly written lyrics with layers of meanings are great, but what about funny lyrics or quirky original songs?
Also, you can bash pop music and rap all you like, but there are a good few gems hidden under all the crap.
 

WeedWorm

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Jagers1994 said:
WeedWorm said:
Jagers1994 said:
Fatalis67 said:
Everything popular is a pointless trend that's popular for a month before nobody listens to it again. I listen to metal, it's infinitely more interesting and doesn't change with trends. It lets the music evolve slowly and more naturally rather than changing dramatically every couple of months to mimic the latest trendy band.
What the hell do you mean metal doesnt change with trends.
Just as a couple of examples hers metal from the 70s
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_aIhh9nFYv4
From the 80s
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e322vTpTyOE
90s
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jRYDetbwegs
Nowadays
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=klweUM8wj4g

The 70s were about working class metalheads who put all their heart and soul into a song.
The 80s were about being rich and being better than everyone else. And coke.
The 90s were about not being rich and not doing coke.
Nowadays metal is all about being a scapegoat for politicians and overall being a steriotypical as possible. Thus giving metal a bad name.

I know all these examples are very mainstream. Thats the point they are mainstream because they are trendy.

Okay the OP. Yes music has gone down the shitter. I like the older bands better than the new crap. I miss when musicians actually put their soul into music. They sung well and played amazing guitar and bass, drums. It used to sound like this.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AyG6ubvDQ34&feature=channel_page
But alas no more.
Yeah, older music, but not too old, is better. You compare the huge bands from the late 80s/early 90s (Slayer, Metallica etc.) and there was none of this shit about looking good, it was about the music and getting drunk. And it stayed like that with bands that grew up listening to Slayer and Iron Maiden and Megadeth, bands like Pantera. Then a couple of years passed and everything was going fucking awesome. Pantera were one of the biggest bands in the world. Slayer just kept on rolling out amazing music (Except for Divine Intervention, of course). Death Metal was on the rise and getting better each year. Goths used to be the only people to shop at Hot Topic. Things were good.
Then all the young lads came along. The people who grew up listening to Pantera. Bands like Avenged Sevenfold and My Bloody Valentine, or whatever the fuck it is. Fucking tryhards. They try so hard to be metal and to be cool and look at them, they fucking fail at it. Not so much MBV, they have some good music and can play really well but holy shit, the singer is fucking terrible and they have so much shit music, it cancels out the good music. Avenged Sevenfold though, ohh man. Theyre so bad that not even playing a cover of Panteras most popular song, Walk, could save them. A song which was fucking ruined by them btw, mainly the singer. I mean come on, he sounds like one of the whiniest little bitches I have ever heard. Not to mention that they look like fucking stupid when on stage and in music videos, with all the make up and shit.
Eventually though, this fad will die. Hopefully, before I die. Just so I can find a guy who used to be emo or scene of whatever when he was younger and laugh at him. Just point and laugh in the middle of the street. When bands like My Bloody Valentine and Avenged Sevenfold have died as bands and I walk down the street without seeing some kid who makes me rage at everything they reperesent. Ahh, thinking of that, when this trend has passed, is a great thought.
/rant
Avenged sevenfold are almost the worst of this whole death metal thing in recent years. I did read all of that by the way.
Except for the fact that, you know, theyre not Death Metal.