My science teacher is kinda stupid.

[red the fister]

leave her to her beliefs, unless she's actively teaching this to her students or is professing all her beliefs as the facts, she is in no way being a harm to anyone.

In complete agreement. Many people don't understand that personal beliefs are generally harmless. They can only be harmful if A. that person uses them to negative effects; or B. other people make a big deal about it.
As long as she keeps this to herself and outside the classroom (like teachers should), she's fine.

You. meet-

She is teaching evolution at the moments and skips the evidence but if their is an argument against it in a paragraph she focuses on it for the whole lesson

If Trollax isn't just trolling. big if

Then he has every right to be worried. To be a teacher of science you should not be voicing your opinions that have been dis-proven by science.

If you want to invalidate science that is currently held to be truth, such as evolution, then you should be working on that yourself. Not teaching your, as of now, unsubstantiated theories to students who need to know what is currently accepted as truth to pass tests.

The crazy thing is that evolution HAS NOT BEEN PROVEN. Its still only a theory because to prove it would mean to either find definitive proof that humans evolved from apes or to be able to observe an ape evolve into man. Neither of which we have found. Yes we have found things that substantiate the claim of evolution but there is still no 100% proof that what we found are actually ancestors of humans or a completely different species that has died out.

*edit* Oh yeah Creationism is more widely believed than evolution in the United States.

I'm stunned.

Okay, first we have to analyse the meaning of the word "theory". See, a theory in a scientific context is a hypothesis, or "educated guess" that has been proven via experimentation and observation. Therefore, "just a theory" is to suggest that yes, evolution is a proven process that can be observed and analysed. Creationism is not a theory. It is not even a hypothesis. It is a matter of belief in ancient scripture. It cannot be observed or analysed. It cannot be proven. Surely you see the problem with the age-old argument of "just a theory." As a theory, then by definition it HAS BEEN PROVEN.

Also, the popularity of a concept is not the same as said concept being correct. Remember that in the 1500s, nearly everyone believed that the Sun orbited the Earth, but it didn't make it true.

Stunned at what?
Did you know that in Scientific terms that Gravity is still known as a theory? Just because we know it happens and can observe it does not make it into science fact. Not right away. It has to be tested and have its results verified through different testing. Yes we know that evolution happens we have observed it. BUT the reason that its not a FACT is because of how broad it can be between the same species. You can sometimes not get the same result of an evolution putting the same stressors on a plant/animal. Yes you usually get the same evolutionary change in the same group but the evolutionary changes vary from test to test even if you copy the test. Scientists are working on evolution to become Science fact but as it stands now it is still just a theory.

I never said I was supporting Creationism its just that a lot of people don't realize that there is A LOT of work that goes into making something a science fact. The crazy thing is that if you think about it Creationism is a child's fantasy. They get to ride dinosaurs. Who is to say that humans didn't exist with the dinos? No one can really prove or disprove that. Creationism sits in its own little bubble it cannot really be proven or disproved because if creationism isn't real then who says evolution is? Say that God created all of us at once dinosaurs plants and humans. Then when shit went down the humans ended up either killing all the dinos or were able to adapt to the changes of the world and survive. There is a possibility that both Creationism and Evolution exist because God possibly could have made everything and then just took a step back and watch it unfold and see how his little play things are going to exist in this world.

from dictionary.com
"the·o·ry
   [thee-uh-ree, theer-ee] Show IPA
noun, plural the·o·ries.
1. a coherent group of tested general propositions, commonly regarded as correct, that can be used as principles of explanation and prediction for a class of phenomena: Einstein's theory of relativity. Synonyms: principle, law, doctrine.
2. a proposed explanation whose status is still conjectural and subject to experimentation, in contrast to well-established propositions that are regarded as reporting matters of actual fact. Synonyms: idea, notion hypothesis, postulate. Antonyms: practice, verification, corroboration, substantiation.
3. Mathematics . a body of principles, theorems, or the like, belonging to one subject: number theory.
4. the branch of a science or art that deals with its principles or methods, as distinguished from its practice: music theory.
5. a particular conception or view of something to be done or of the method of doing it; a system of rules or principles: conflicting theories of how children best learn to read.
6. contemplation or speculation: the theory that there is life on other planets.
7. guess or conjecture: My theory is that he never stops to think words have consequences."

the word "theory" when used used in the phrase, "the theory of evolution," invokes definition #1. please note the second Synonym, "Law."

the YEC belief is going off of a theory, definition #7, that was proposed when the Old Testament was written and since, has been accepted as fact, Divine fact, by the ignorant (uneducated) masses.
about people living beside dinosaurs
IIRC, Noah took two off all the animals we currently have and, it think, a small number of people. His god (purposefully not capitalized) then flooded the world, killing ALL THE SINNERS!!!!! just like the Meme.
had this actually happened while those Terrible Lizards still roamed the world there would be dino-bones all mixed in with sinner bones. to not sound like an ass: the fossil record would contain Human and Dinosaur remains in the same strata.

Creationism, and YEC in particular, is no more than the "Religious Right" attempting to validate their superstitions, codify them in to law, and have them crammed down the throats of the non-believers.

 

[Ironic Pirate]

Take great solace in knowing that I truly mean it when I say "lol, Americans"

I assume you're american because only in the "great" U.S. or A and of course few third world countries will someone like that be classified as a Science teacher and not batship retarded.

Yeah, one isolated incident definitely holds true for an entire massive country and millions of people. Nice job there, you really should us Americans, huh.

And someones personal beliefs instantly make them a bad teacher. I mean, I believe that Capitalism is the root of all the worlds ills, can I still teach Sociology from an unbaised perspective? Yes. Seriously, as long as her beliefs do not influence her lessons, it does not matter what she believes, AT ALL.

Not all RE teachers are non-religious (Even if they were non-religious that would be an issue, would it not?). Personal beliefs do not make a teacher good or bad, they do not make a person "Retarded" simply because they have a different version of events from you.

Sure, We might know they are wrong. But just because they believe something does not mean they are instantly an idiot.

I mean, Einstein was a christian. I know not all christians are creationists but... Well, pointing that out usually helps in these debates which, essentially, comes down to "She has faith and we think that faith is bullshit ergo she is a retard who should not be teaching"

Did you quote the wrong person or something? Some dude said "lol americans are all stupid" and I was calling into question the merits of his argument. I agree with you.

 

[acosn]

Radio-carbon dating. The entire concept behind the half life of atomic particles disproves the young earth theory. The idea that you can stand in Hiroshima, Nagasaki, and various testing grounds in the US and Russia is testament to the fact that the earth is old as tits.

While, of course, anyone who really looks at the evidence can only come to the conclusion that the Earth is MUCH older than 6000 years and that man never lived with the dinosaurs or that there has been a vast cosmic conspiracy to make us believe so I would argue against this 'proof'. In fact it is extremely difficult to prove anything beyond personal experience much less anything that predates human history and humanity itself, the assumptions of Carbon Dating not withstanding. For one it assumes that everything started with the same levels or radiation and that our interpretations of the information is correct, and since the processes is unreliable for the span human history all we have his highly educated, well supported, and very likely guesses.

You seem to have absolutely no idea how radio-carbon dating (or any radiometric dating) works.

It's not about quantities of "radiation."

It's about measuring naturally occurring radioactive elements, in the case of radio-carbon dating the radioactive isotope carbon-14, which has a half life of about 5700 years. It's a naturally occurring element that naturally degrades into something else. The concept is so basic in science that it's taught in high school physics.

It's unreliable in the sense that we have to make adjustments (surprise, after 1945 the amount of ambient radiation on the planet's surface has spiked due to the testing and usage of nuclear weapons), when we were really arsed enough to screw around with it we discovered in non-natural instances it could be adjusted, and in the broader sense that when human lives are measured in 10's and round off at 100, at best, we expect things to be measured in very precise quantities when the universe is billions of years old. It's not just radiocarbon dating that suggests the earth is old, and the universe is older. Veritably every science that actually has relevance to age (IE: Biology, astronomy, archaeology, and physics to name a few) ultimately has very core theories that point toward a very old universe.

But to pretend that radiometric dating doesn't work is to undermine the fact that we've tested the finer parts of the principals of radiation to such grand fashion that entire cities were leveled. You're basically telling generations of scientists who devoted their lives to the study of the subject that they're wrong, and all you can come up with is a fairly infantile understanding of their subject.

And arguing that you can't prove anything beyond personal experience is ludicrous. We better stop using vaccines since we haven't personally experienced evolution. Better stop paying attention to family history of illnesses and diseases too since we haven't experienced trans-generational inheritance.

And if your next response is that they're just theories, I strongly suggest you re-analyze your definition of theory.