I don't hvae the game yet, but these seem like pretty trivial things. The game must be really good.
I can think of a lot of worse games.
I can think of a lot of worse games.
My top 10 gripes with Skyrim.
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1) If you think stealth is OP. Try a pure mage. They put out so much damage, and can self-heal so well, that they make pure stealth look like a joke. Or for that matter, a Pure board and sword is damn powerful too, once you get past level 10. The fact is, just about every "class" is OP in this game past level 10ish on the standard difficulty. Turn the difficulty up.Nomanslander said:
2) I don't see this myself. I love enemy mages cuz they're easy to squish. I don't need cheap tactics, at all. Just power attack with a melee and 1/2 their health is gone. With range, you should be stealthed. And if you're pure mage put a healing spell in one hand and your newest version of fiery death in the other and nothing in the game can stop you.
3) It takes all of 2 seconds to find what you want, and I put everything in my quick menu, so it can't be any longer for you. If it's really one of your top ten issues, I have to assume you are using the menu every 3 seconds in combat, which is more of a player exploiting the game problem than a game problem
4) This is a bathesda thing. It's been that way since at least morrowind. And while I would like to see a more realistic stealth mechanic, just because you know I'm there, doesn't mean you know where I am. And I should be able to get sneak attack as long as you don't know where I am. I would love to see them make this a little more realistic, but with a high sneak skill there is no reason why you shouldn't be able to get 3 or more sneak attacks on the same target. Their behavior should change, but it shouldn't be an auto detect.
5) I agree. Although again, I suspect some of this would be alleviated by turning up the difficulty. I don't because I play bathesda games for the feeling of being an all-powerful god of death, allowing the mortals in my path to live only because it would be too much of a hassle to extinguish them. Still, it would be nice to see the dragons get more difficult
6) This is not a game mechanic problem, it's a player exploiting the game problem. You could do the same thing with every fight in the game. Or every attempt at robbing a house. I would like to see the percentages disappear but only because that's not how a person thinks. i would like to see under 40% show up as "Can't steal it," 40-70% show up as "maybe" and above 70% as "Probably." Or something like that. i don't really care what the exact percentages are.
7) I haven't noticed this, but I don't pay attention to graphics. However, I would notice if they were as bad as morrowind so I will just assume that you were exaggerating and take your word for it that they are of a lower quality.
8) I do agree here. I would like to see potions get qued up to say 10 and take time to drink. I don't want a realistic time, but something like 1/2 a second each and have them drank in sequence to prevent me from instantly drinking my inventory of health potions would be nice.
9) It's a world of chaos, it makes sense that a lot of people would have things that needed doing. Still, it would me nice if random quests didn't just suddenly show up from random people in town. It would be nice to see a feature where quest givers go to a tavern when they have a quest to give out. That would be a little more realistic, but I don't think it would interfere with radiant story. It would also give me a reason to go to taverns.
10) Completely agree. I can see how it would be hard to do this for every quest, but couldn't you program in people who can replace the major quest-givers, and put them somewhere that is safe from random acts of dragon. Maybe some of them don't even exist until the main quest-giver is killed.
Much as I think "I'm exploiting the game so it sucks" is a bad argument, this is a case in which the exploit is patently obvious and exists due to terrible planning and design.The_Blue_Rider said:
My biggest gripe? The ending...or lack thereof.
You go to Valhalla and fight a dragon. Then dead people cheer for you. The end. That's not a fucking ending. Thats the end of a side quest.
Oh, and the Blade Brothers are dicks in this game. Fuck you, I'm not killing Parthuunax. I'm a total whore for katanas and that awesome Blades armor, but I refuse to use either if it means I have to kill the only hope for dragonkind to end their war on Tamriel.
Oh, and the Blade Brothers are dicks in this game. Fuck you, I'm not killing Parthuunax. I'm a total whore for katanas and that awesome Blades armor, but I refuse to use either if it means I have to kill the only hope for dragonkind to end their war on Tamriel.
Now I think about it I would love a game where I have the option to run, hide and cry whenever I see an enemy. I should have the choice to kill everything or befriend everything or something but I could seriously relate to a character that ran past everything.Anthraxus said:
SpaceBat said:
Well, just because i don't share someone's opinion doesn't mean i'm not entitled to have my own. I'm prepared to back it up with some arguments, yet you must remember that's very, and i mean VERY subjective point of view. There are many people who like NV better. For me it's simply sh*t.70R4N said:
--- Please excuse me for striding into the valley of off-topic ---
<spoiler=regarding NV>Without spoilering too much - you're a courier who was supposed to deliver some package but instead you were shot to death. Almost. You survived, but you're supposed to find out who assailant was and why he did that.
Here's where my alarm bell rang for the first time. I mean "why ?". Why should i care ? Danger is part of this job and it's pretty possible that it was just random act of violence or something like this. Ask every taxi driver, or pizza delivery boy - life is that way from time to time. In the reality of post nuclear wasteland lacking hospitals, retirement plans, law other than law of the gun, and lifespan counted in years not decades, people have to let go some things to survive.
Later it's only getting worse. There's big world, but it's mostly cliched rag quickly stitched from recycled parts of numerous works of fiction. The world is dull, unconvincing, and it takes some amount of time until reaching "The Vegas" itself. And here's another dissapointment. It's not some metropolis in the middle of wastes. It's neither big nor interesting map unnecessarily divided into smaller regions which makes navigating through it repetitive and boring experience.
It's lacking any breathtaking views or at least places with some unique atmosphere. There are some bars, shops, uninteresting buildings, questgivers, pedestrains and neons. Nothing you could point on and say "damn, it was worth reaching here and seeing it with my own eyes".
"Broken Steel" DLC for Fallout 3 introduces much more convincing city - state.
While on that. DLCs for F3 alone are worthy of investing money into that game. I can't say that about DLCs for NV. They are boring experience at best, and as i see it, some people (even here on The Escapist) share that impression.
OT : Skyrims overpowered enemies.
Is running from fight and returning later, after recovering, with a few additional levels and some shiny equipment considered tactic unworthy of true gamers nowadays ???
Yep, too bad Skyrim takes place in a cold, harsh, unwelcoming country on the verge of at least two wars, also plundered by bandits, dragons, undead and such. The story should happen in the village of Smurfs instead !Anthraxus said:
Actually, no. I made it obvious that i find my own point of view subjective even despite it being shared by more than a handful people.Anthraxus said:
Also, it's 2011 you have all the time you need, google and stuff, and all you can come up with is "fanboy" ?
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Thats why I said not completely, that particular quest could have been done a bit better, i.e. someone directing you to a cave and you meet Barbas inside, then he wont leave the cave or somethingZachary Amaranth said:
1. The leap in difficulty from every monster in the game to the dragon priests (those fuckers are such a leap in difficulty that is annoying)
2. Dragons are lulzy, while Chief Bandits three shot me/Giants one shot me.
3. Script/Npc depth. Still needs so much work to engage me.
4. Storyline. It's still meh.
5. How bloody easy it is for your lockpicks to break.
6. Most magical branches are way unappealing and have a lot less reward early on compared to melee/archery. Destruction and all those branches just do meh damage unless you break immersion and grind it.
7. Stealth is op.
8. Quests/NPC's start with depth and then everything is rushed, see: Companions/Winterhold College.
9. The Holds and Towns are way smaller than what they initially appear (in terms of content).
10. Smithing- Only endgame content armour/weapons are worth it, and you can just mass produce Iron Daggers for it.
But my biggest tripe is by far: The best grey decision in the game (Civil War) is like that because as opposed to the entire game you lack reasonable options to choose from.
2. Dragons are lulzy, while Chief Bandits three shot me/Giants one shot me.
3. Script/Npc depth. Still needs so much work to engage me.
4. Storyline. It's still meh.
5. How bloody easy it is for your lockpicks to break.
6. Most magical branches are way unappealing and have a lot less reward early on compared to melee/archery. Destruction and all those branches just do meh damage unless you break immersion and grind it.
7. Stealth is op.
8. Quests/NPC's start with depth and then everything is rushed, see: Companions/Winterhold College.
9. The Holds and Towns are way smaller than what they initially appear (in terms of content).
10. Smithing- Only endgame content armour/weapons are worth it, and you can just mass produce Iron Daggers for it.
But my biggest tripe is by far: The best grey decision in the game (Civil War) is like that because as opposed to the entire game you lack reasonable options to choose from.
Naaaaaaaaah, this is Internet, either do your job yourself, or don't join discussions. You're risking heavy loss of ego by taking on tasks you're unable to complete.Anthraxus said:
That doesn't have to do anything with me having my own mind, especially if i'm able to back it up with some arguments, without throwing insults not only pointless but also old and lacking any finesse.Anthraxus said:
So, ...yeah, yeah, suuuuuuuuuuuuuuuure buddy, have some tomato, it's good for your health...
1. Yes, but the idea is TO BE ABLE to one-shot enemies without them seeing you, because you can level up your sneak so quickly that by the time you can do 15x damage with a backstab, conventional combat is not really an option due to all the enemies having scaled to be harder to accommodate your assassin playstyle. i.e. you really run yourself into a niche if you go stealth.Nomanslander said:
2. ...if you can't be bothered with elemental resistances. Which, by and large, I can't, so fair point. There have been a number of times where I've been happily slaughtering Forsworn when suddenly a bloody Hagraven fireballs my previously comfortable half health.
3. I see few other ways on consoles to switch between weapons considering the variety of options in Skyrim. What would you like to see? Cycling through all the debris you've picked up until you get to the weapon you want to use? This part of the game was designed for PC, with hotkeys conveniently assignable, but being a PS3 user myself I make do with their pause tactics.
4. Agreed, but would you rather have enemies that doggedly tracked you down as soon as they saw your arrow? Just like in MGS, I think it's a necessary evil. Although if enemies actually died from being shot through the head, then we wouldn't have a problem.
5. Well you sir have a f***ing awesome horse. Personally I find dragons quite hard with my assassin or mage, but my Two-handed Orc makes fairly short work of them. In all, maybe they could be a little harder...WHEN THEY F***ING LAND.
6. This is true, but once, the game actually noticed, and the target's inventory started getting worse every time I reloaded. At any rate, some items aren't even pickpocketable until you have a decent level of it. Lastly, game developers cannot be expected to compensate for people abusing the save feature. That is the user's fault. If you don't like it, DON'T F***ING DO IT.
7. Meh.
8. See 3.
9. Personally I don't get quite that many quests, but it's great to be able to have a different experience every playthrough, and I really enjoy the diversity. You can tell when a quest is scripted or radiant though...just sayin'.
10. I got really annoyed by his constant whimpering so I parted ways with him. But again, back to my earlier point. If you choose to exploit the immortality of Barbas the Dog then YOU ARE AT FAULT. It doesn't take that much self-discipline to just say "No, I am going to play the game in a manner that I enjoy instead". It's like pulling aces out of your sleeve and complaining that poker is too easy. Just don't F***ING DO IT.
So there you go.
1. Yes, but the idea is TO BE ABLE to one-shot enemies without them seeing you, because you can level up your sneak so quickly that by the time you can do 15x damage with a backstab, conventional combat is not really an option due to all the enemies having scaled to be harder to accommodate your assassin playstyle. i.e. you really run yourself into a niche if you go stealth.Nomanslander said:
2. ...if you can't be bothered with elemental resistances. Which, by and large, I can't, so fair point. There have been a number of times where I've been happily slaughtering Forsworn when suddenly a bloody Hagraven fireballs my previously comfortable half health.
3. I see few other ways on consoles to switch between weapons considering the variety of options in Skyrim. What would you like to see? Cycling through all the debris you've picked up until you get to the weapon you want to use? This part of the game was designed for PC, with hotkeys conveniently assignable, but being a PS3 user myself I make do with their pause tactics.
4. Agreed, but would you rather have enemies that doggedly tracked you down as soon as they saw your arrow? Just like in MGS, I think it's a necessary evil. Although if enemies actually died from being shot through the head, then we wouldn't have a problem.
5. Well you sir have a f***ing awesome horse. Personally I find dragons quite hard with my assassin or mage, but my Two-handed Orc makes fairly short work of them. In all, maybe they could be a little harder...WHEN THEY F***ING LAND.
6. This is true, but once, the game actually noticed, and the target's inventory started getting worse every time I reloaded. At any rate, some items aren't even pickpocketable until you have a decent level of it. Lastly, game developers cannot be expected to compensate for people abusing the save feature. That is the user's fault. If you don't like it, DON'T F***ING DO IT.
7. Meh.
8. See 3.
9. Personally I don't get quite that many quests, but it's great to be able to have a different experience every playthrough, and I really enjoy the diversity. You can tell when a quest is scripted or radiant though...just sayin'.
10. I got really annoyed by his constant whimpering so I parted ways with him. But again, back to my earlier point. If you choose to exploit the immortality of Barbas the Dog then YOU ARE AT FAULT. It doesn't take that much self-discipline to just say "No, I am going to play the game in a manner that I enjoy instead". It's like pulling aces out of your sleeve and complaining that poker is too easy. Just don't F***ING DO IT.
So there you go.
Way to single handedly kill your own discussion. Seriously? You might've had a point before, but when you throw out a BS argument like:Anthraxus said:
"Young'uns these days only play these terrible new games. Now, back in MY day everything was so much better..."
Way to sound like every other older generation ever, in the history of time.
Some of your complaints I can definitely agree with, others are more your fault. Abusing the save system? Yeah that's completely on you. If you don't like it, STOP DOING IT. Very simple. That goes for a few things
As for my complaints, yeah, the stealth system is completely broken. It's waaay to easy to kill things in 1 or 2 hits, and it's way too easy to disappear. Batman had a great stealth system, and it was simple. I shouldn't be able to shoot an arrow into every joint of a giant and they go back to a casual stroll.
One of my biggest problems with the game though is it's so damn linear. I've never had such a huge, open world with no fucking options! Why can't I get any diplomatic solutions to anything ever? Why can't I sneak in and rescue the guy instead of having to kill everyone and a boss to get them out? Why is every dungeon just 1 big tunnel? I'd rather have a third of the quests but actually have some options in them. Don't make it just seem big on the surface, make it actually a big place. Let there be 5 different solutions or outcomes to something, and for the options to always be open. If I decide half-way through that I want to switch sides because of some new information, let me. And not just cancel the quest, I mean switch sides, take someone down from the inside or whatever. Anything.
Nothing happens without me. 500 quests and half of them are identical, and they all make me trek across the country, running into another 47 quests, and someone starts talking with me as though it's been 5 minutes. It's been weeks, *****, both inside and outside the game. Who the hell are you? And then oops, turns out I just accidentally helped some cannibals. Well that's okay, I'll just go inform the guards or something, oh wait, I can't. I suppose I could just stab them all, but mindless violence gets so very old. Just more options. And for those options to affect things. The world is too static. I'm a dragon slayer, treat me like one. When I'm a hero or a villain, let me feel like one. -sigh-
That all said, I still think it's a fun game. It's good. But I'm disappointed, I wanted something amazing. I was expecting a great game, not a good one.
As for my complaints, yeah, the stealth system is completely broken. It's waaay to easy to kill things in 1 or 2 hits, and it's way too easy to disappear. Batman had a great stealth system, and it was simple. I shouldn't be able to shoot an arrow into every joint of a giant and they go back to a casual stroll.
One of my biggest problems with the game though is it's so damn linear. I've never had such a huge, open world with no fucking options! Why can't I get any diplomatic solutions to anything ever? Why can't I sneak in and rescue the guy instead of having to kill everyone and a boss to get them out? Why is every dungeon just 1 big tunnel? I'd rather have a third of the quests but actually have some options in them. Don't make it just seem big on the surface, make it actually a big place. Let there be 5 different solutions or outcomes to something, and for the options to always be open. If I decide half-way through that I want to switch sides because of some new information, let me. And not just cancel the quest, I mean switch sides, take someone down from the inside or whatever. Anything.
Nothing happens without me. 500 quests and half of them are identical, and they all make me trek across the country, running into another 47 quests, and someone starts talking with me as though it's been 5 minutes. It's been weeks, *****, both inside and outside the game. Who the hell are you? And then oops, turns out I just accidentally helped some cannibals. Well that's okay, I'll just go inform the guards or something, oh wait, I can't. I suppose I could just stab them all, but mindless violence gets so very old. Just more options. And for those options to affect things. The world is too static. I'm a dragon slayer, treat me like one. When I'm a hero or a villain, let me feel like one. -sigh-
That all said, I still think it's a fun game. It's good. But I'm disappointed, I wanted something amazing. I was expecting a great game, not a good one.