My view on the BNP

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Mewick_Alex

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Yea I hate the BNP with a passion, and considering I'm pretty much their voting target (British, white and straight) I'd say that says a lot for their popularity.

Want some fun BNP quotes?

"Aids is a positive disease because it affects gays and black people"

"Rape should not be considered a crime. All women enjoy sex, so how is it possible to force it upon them?"

I can't find a quote for it, but one of their leaders firmly believes that the holocaust never happened. He thinks that Jewish people use it as a way to get sympathy.
 

Chubbfish

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It seems to me that most bnp voters are people who are convinced (whether by media or general conversation) that there are genuine problems with the country, when this just seems to be fallacy.

First thing, the mp's expenses. I actually don't really see why this is such a big issue, i mean, compared to the entire government budget for everything (billions) it's such a miniscule amount that is being taken compared to it. The reason for the hysteria is that many people are looking at their claims and thinking "that's much more than I earn", with the majority of these people being working class (the bnp's target voters) because the mp's get so much compared to them on a whim. It does seem a bit unfair, but the mp's aren't destoying the system or seriously damaging anything, and besides, the mp's in england earn relatively little for such an important job (deciding the laws, pretty important).
What's happening now is that the mps can't argue against this because then they will instantly discredited, and some good politicians are being forced to leave because of doing what many were doing. I do agree some of them were a bit OTP with their claims (moats?), but in these scenarios the mps should be told to cut down on their claims and not claim for second houses which they make money out of by renting, and instead should be allowed to continue instead of pointlessly throwing them out.
The most amazing thing about the mp expenses scandal is the idea that politicians are very different to normal people; yes they all have similar skills needed for the same career, but they're still essentially very similar to everyone else. If the bnp (or generally the public for that matter) had the same number of mps in parliament as there was in the scenario before the scandal came out, i doubt that a different proportion of people would have claimed for expenses illegally. There seems to be absolutely no empathy for the politicians, who after all are people who have gone into politics because they wanted to.

Secondly, this lack of empathy that the bnp holds for people who appear to be different from the average white working class person is what the party is based on, hence the hatred for black people and poles etc. The lack of understanding of the fact that all people are very similar shows why they think their policies are right. Everyone who doesn't vote bnp knows that if all immigrants left the country then the economy would be crippled much more so than it is now, and crime rates would not change because there is always an underclass in any society that commits crime, no matter what race. The bnp just simply don't understand that if the situation was reversed then they would be exactly the same as immigrants.

Finally, the economic meltdown is not the fault of the government. Granted, some measures could have been put in place, but this would have just been miniscule damage control; the bnp don't understand that it is a GLOBAL economic meltdown, and regardless of which party was in power there is no way that we would have been much less affected. The bnp try to patch the causes of the problems to their beliefs, but don't really provide evidence that their beliefs hold true.

The bnp just seems to be a bunch of people who, frankly, just don't understand what is happening properly, and have convinced themselves that their beliefs can have some relevance to the problems in society.
 

The Youth Counselor

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The BNP only won seats because they strongholed the districts where elections were held and the rational thinking voter had too many opposing candidates to choose from.

Nick Griffin received less than 10% of the Yorkshire region's votes and he won.
 

elvor0

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Chubbfish said:
First thing, the mp's expenses. I actually don't really see why this is such a big issue, i mean, compared to the entire government budget for everything (billions) it's such a miniscule amount that is being taken compared to it. The reason for the hysteria is that many people are looking at their claims and thinking "that's much more than I earn", with the majority of these people being working class (the bnp's target voters) because the mp's get so much compared to them on a whim. It does seem a bit unfair, but the mp's aren't destoying the system or seriously damaging anything, and besides, the mp's in england earn relatively little for such an important job (deciding the laws, pretty important).
What's happening now is that the mps can't argue against this because then they will instantly discredited, and some good politicians are being forced to leave because of doing what many were doing. I do agree some of them were a bit OTP with their claims (moats?), but in these scenarios the mps should be told to cut down on their claims and not claim for second houses which they make money out of by renting, and instead should be allowed to continue instead of pointlessly throwing them out.
I can't in good faith agree with you on that, MPs get a Salary, yet they constantly claim expenses on stuff like cleaners, moats or what have you, why do we have to pay for that in expenses, why can't they pay with y'know, their FUCKING SALARY? That thing they get payed with in order to spend on things they would LIKE? As opposed to getting us to buy it for them?

(Yes I am aware the salary is that too, but that's payment for doing what they do from taxes, expenses are completely different, that's just them getting us to pay for their stuff because they dont want to pay for it them selves.)
 

VonRolof

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Less people voted BNP than in 2004 -
BBC News - "Mr Griffin was elected to Brussels even though the BNP polled fewer votes in the region than it had in 2004 - the slump in Labour support meant its share of the vote increased."
 

RavingLibDem

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If your ignorant enough to consider the BNP your 'only' choice out of mainstream politics, then you are sadly misinformed, and if you vote for them not knowing their full policies, focusing on immigrants, and effectively defining Brittishness then you don't really deserve your vote. People may be angry at mainstream politicians, but turning to the far right is certianly not the only option we have here, people like the Greens, UKIP, basically anyone else is a more acceptable choice than the BNP.

Also there has not been a dramatic rise of the BNP, the only reason they got any seats was that the Labour vote collapsed so dramatcially under the comples PR system this put the BNP in the position for a seat - they have actually won less votes in this election than in the 2004 european election.

The most concerning thing I find about this whole situation is that people are using it to argue against the introduction of Proportional Representation, saying this would give the BNP a voice - my answer to that is frankly, if your running scared of people's opinions, that is no reason to resist a proper implementation of democracy, that may attack the reasons the BNP get votes - mainly apathy among other voters, and a feeling that your vote doesnt count.
 

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Labout and Conservative politicians are the only ones to blame, riding round like booshie motherfuckers, thinking they can do whatever the hell they like and are untouchable. Democracy is doing it's job here, while I would never vote for the BNP and while I hate them more than I do David Cameron(I had the nicest dream the other night about stabbing him), the people voting for them are sending a loud and clear message to both the Labour and Conservative parties.

RavingLibDem said:
If your ignorant enough to consider the BNP your 'only' choice out of mainstream politics, then you are sadly misinformed...
Hello, welcome to earth, may I take your coat?
 

Nickzilla

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Chubbfish said:
and besides, the mp's in england earn relatively little for such an important job (deciding the laws, pretty important).
I think high-ranking MPs earn something like 66k a year. I believe that's more than enough to get by on, especially since these people are supposed to be humble civil servants. This makes any and all corruption unacceptable.

Chubbfish said:
Finally, the economic meltdown is not the fault of the government. Granted, some measures could have been put in place, but this would have just been miniscule damage control
My understanding of the governments control of private companies like banks is reasonably limited, but I think if the banks were properly watched and policed (regulated), we wouldn't have nearly as much of a problem.

But New Labour cares more about making money than being sensible, so they let the gambling bankers continue.

In terms of the BNP, I think newspapers like the star and the daily mail are most to blame. When you hear people complaining about foreigners, they'll mostly be regurgitating things they've read in racist newspapers, such as that inane story about nativity plays being banned in a school because the head teacher didn't want to offend any muslims.

Or something like that, I don't remember. But if you notice, a lot of people will say "I fink it's rong how all them foreigners c'mhere and try to change things like not letting schools ave nativity plays and that". Despite this probably being an isolated incident perpetrated by morons, it's dressed up as nationwide cultural assimilation by these racist media outlets.
 

Duskwaith

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Woo and i thought voting for the non-unionist party only for them to throw their votes in with the unionists democracy couldnt get any shitter......and yet it does.

In times of crappyness people vote for the more extreme partys ala pre-war germany
 

Svenparty

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The problem is most of their policies come down to: "THERE TAKIN OUR JAWBS" or "Black People are leeching our money" when there are the same amount of lazy white people leeching our money.

Over Nationalistic and they sure don't have the right faces for a "Master race" cause they are ugly.


If they were in Germany in 1945 I'm sure Germany would have exterminated them all for being hooligan skinhead scumbags.
 

Kevvers

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Well, I heard on radio 4 that the BNP actually got less votes this time around than they did at the last european election. Its just that labour voters didn't bother to vote (very low turn out) so their proportion of the vote was high enough for them to win.
Also, it was very interesting to hear Nick Griffin on the news this morning, John Humphreys alledged that their party doesn't allow non-white members(!), and he didn't deny it - he made some comparison to white people not being allowed to join black policeman support groups. Which doesn't really make sense if they really are serious about governing the country --- unless their goal is to boot out everyone who isn't white!! What a bunch of Nazis, unbelievable...
 

Captain Pancake

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Does nobody see the irony in the BNP being elected to european parliament?
they're nationalists for god's sake.
 

lord667

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Kevvers said:
Well, I heard on radio 4 that the BNP actually got less votes this time around than they did at the last european election. Its just that labour voters didn't bother to vote (very low turn out) so their proportion of the vote was high enough for them to win.
Also, it was very interesting to hear Nick Griffin on the news this morning, John Humphreys alledged that their party doesn't allow non-white members(!), and he didn't deny it - he made some comparison to white people not being allowed to join black policeman support groups. Which doesn't really make sense if they really are serious about governing the country --- unless their goal is to boot out everyone who isn't white!! What a bunch of Nazis, unbelievable...
That's a fact, they don't allow non-whites into the BNP. Their main gimmick is, and has been since forever, to present themselves as a "White Rights" lobby, although they've been substituting words like "British" (which, in their vocabulary, means "white Christian") or "indigenous" (as if we were some aborigine tribe under threat from Islamic colonialism) rather than "white", since Griffin realised that open racism wasn't getting them anywhere.
 

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Kevvers said:
Well, I heard on radio 4 that the BNP actually got less votes this time around than they did at the last european election. Its just that labour voters didn't bother to vote (very low turn out) so their proportion of the vote was high enough for them to win.
Also, it was very interesting to hear Nick Griffin on the news this morning, John Humphreys alledged that their party doesn't allow non-white members(!), and he didn't deny it - he made some comparison to white people not being allowed to join black policeman support groups. Which doesn't really make sense if they really are serious about governing the country --- unless their goal is to boot out everyone who isn't white!! What a bunch of Nazis, unbelievable...
An interesting point relating to this:

- Another member was kicked out for dating an Ecuadorian immigrant

- One of their members has a mixed-race child despite the party's ridiculous insistence that such a child would be "illegal" for whatever f**ked up reason they concocted (a lot of my family is mixed race so I tend to get riled up about this, sorry)
 

Nickolai77

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Kevvers said:
Well, I heard on radio 4 that the BNP actually got less votes this time around than they did at the last european election. Its just that labour voters didn't bother to vote (very low turn out) so their proportion of the vote was high enough for them to win.
I'm remembering that for the next European elections, me and my friends had a debate over who to vote for and two of them were not planning on voting- if such a debate comes up again i will point that out to non- voters.
 

Joeshie

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Nice work Britain.

Seriously, I used to have some desire to live there, but the more I hear about you guys, the more I'm glad I'm in America.