N. Korea Threatens USA
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For those who worry so much about nuclear weapons at a whole, check out the number of nuclear experementations having been carried out by the nuclear powers of today. I would place the number at no less then 300, of which many where surface testings. Nuclear weapons are over hyped by hollywood, though now they are moving onto bio-engineered viri as that is the next big 'horror' to be exploited.
That isn't to say they are fine and dandy, but most of the horror factor is just hype. Hell even the biggest fear with fallout is an increased rate of cancers and of miscarriges or deformities in unborn children. Neither of which will destroy the human race as a whole on any streatch of the imagination.
As for north Koria nuclear weapons... They don't release the data on their tests but it could easily be because they have FAILED to successfully fission a warhead. The best they could probably do is produce a partial explosion and a delivery system that wouldn't reach the USA. S. Koria has more to worry about then the USA, and it isn't nukes that bother them... it is the thousands on thousands of artilary pieces aimed right at every major city that they have to worry about.
Conventional artilary shells will kill more people in a war with N. Koria then any nuclear weapon they could lob.
That isn't to say they are fine and dandy, but most of the horror factor is just hype. Hell even the biggest fear with fallout is an increased rate of cancers and of miscarriges or deformities in unborn children. Neither of which will destroy the human race as a whole on any streatch of the imagination.
As for north Koria nuclear weapons... They don't release the data on their tests but it could easily be because they have FAILED to successfully fission a warhead. The best they could probably do is produce a partial explosion and a delivery system that wouldn't reach the USA. S. Koria has more to worry about then the USA, and it isn't nukes that bother them... it is the thousands on thousands of artilary pieces aimed right at every major city that they have to worry about.
Conventional artilary shells will kill more people in a war with N. Koria then any nuclear weapon they could lob.
I'm saying, as a pacifist, that:Fondant said:So what your saying is...you're an idiot? For a start, number one never happened, I'm guessing number two is from Vietnam, The French Resistance never, ever targeted civilian targets (save traitors from the their own organisation, which is fair enough) and comparing them to the fourth is just...very, very stupid. The fourth, 9/11, was an act against humanity. It was not taken against a military target, like three, and nobody was given a warning.Uncompetative said:Actually, I don't make the distinction between:Fondant said:
- Thermo-Nuclear Weapons being used against non-military targets for societal change.
- Guerrilla Warfare poisoning water supplies.
- The French Resistance fighting the Nazis.
- Plane Hijackers flying jets into buildings.
It is all Conflict with terrorism thrown in.
Hence the death's head emblem on some Nazi uniforms.
To summarise, you seem to have acquired a fantastic pair of intellectual blinkers in your 1200 posts here. You're argument is so poorly structured, I'm spending more effort finding out what you are actually trying to say that I am countering it. In essence, you're saying that a man for his homeland, or a soldier for his country, is of the same stripe and colour as a Nazi murderer?
- The United States could have made a pragmatic justification for bombing Nagasaki as it was a shipyard supplying the enemy's Navy, but they are on much, much, weaker ground turning children into shadows in the civilian city of Hiroshima which they bombed first. The only sense this makes to me (although, I obviously condemn both acts) is that the Japanese Emperor Hirohito was thought to be divine and the war would never end until the was society changed through the demonstration of a frighteningly God-like power who was capable of creating suns that would in a flash of brilliance both illuminate and vaporize everything before them and yet be wielded by their enemy.
- When one side is up against a superior force, all strategies are considered even if they are dirty and effect a great many non-combatants. The Geneva Convention is disregarded as a matter of expediency - uniformed prisoner's of war are shot simply because those that capture them need to pursue a time-sensitive objective.
- The Nazi's wore uniforms, the French Resistance did not. This effectively makes them terrorists. Yet they were on the side of the Allies, fighting an evil regime, so they are regarded as heroes. I didn't say they killed civilians, so there is no need for you to insult me for something I didn't actually say.
- There is no difference between the 9/11 hijackers and the French Resistance. Neither were uniformed, both were terrorists. You will no doubt argue that 9/11 included civilian targets (besides the Pentagon). Fine. Have it that way if you want to, but I don't think Al Quaeda thought of the Twin Towers in that way. The oil wealth of Saudi Arabia has brought Capitalism and American bases to Osama Bin Laden's country of birth. He is upset that it is no longer a theocratic state. He sees the spreading influence of Globalization as a threat to Islam, thus invoking the defense of faith in the Koran that is "Jihad" or 'holy war'. To him (and, let's be clear about this, I don't agree with him, but then I don't agree with any act of murder whether it is carried out by men in uniforms, or pilots in bombers, with prior warning, or without) the Twin Towers were a symbol of Capitalism, a major trading nexus to disrupt, an iconic, apocalyptic image to terrorize nations and rally supporters behind his cause. He knew that in doing 9/11 the lax airport security would tighten up and he'd never get another chance to do it again. Hence the 4 planes on the same day. Note, also that the Bali bomb, which seems such a weird target, was actually an attack on the Globalization via tourism. I'm not sure whether Osama wants the whole world to convert to Islam, or for the West to keep out of formerly Muslim regions of the world. It does seem as if he thinks money is incompatible with faith in Allah. In no way, shape or form was 9/11 an act against humanity. It was mass-murder, not attempted genocide (like the Nazis and their Death Camps, or the American frontiersmen and the indigenous Native Americans). Arguably, Hiroshima is the most recent act against humanity as it led to Cold War Terrorism and real fear of Total Nuclear Holocaust, which is technically, still a threat today - yeah, thanks for that America...
The image of the badge is there to bring it home that even uniform officers of a legitimate faction in a war are actively trying to inspire dread and terror. It is no coincidence that these cap badges were worn by guards at Nazi death camps. So, don't try to argue that terrorism is somehow illegitimate and real war, with uniformed combatants, is somehow honorable. The whole thing is sick.
Terrorism and insurgency are two different things. By your standards, Uncompetetive, the Founding Fathers of America were terrorists - most of their soldiers did not wear uniforms
Secondly, thermonuclear weapons refer to weapons which employ the much higher megaton-yield process of hydrogen nuclear fusion. Hiroshima and Nagasaki were both fission devices. Just a point.
Thirdly, I would advise you to remove yourself from your throne of stardust atop your crenelated tower of ivory. In reality, war happens, and I'm afraid you must learn to deal with this, though I do say that I respect you for your (presumed) respect for human life.
To be frank, Uncompetetive, you seem to being a tad foolish. Killing an armed, trained soldier of a foriegn power your nation is at war with is an entirely legitimate act, and to say otherwise is to simply look upon humanity and pronounce a 'hmmm...inferior', as if you were not speaking from within humanity.
P.S Genocide and War, though often correlated, are not the same. When Britain waged war against Germany, at no point did we commit genocide. The 'Final Solution', you should recall, was drawn up prior to the outbreak of hostilities. And, to summarise - I do not care about the argument that 9/11 was somehow a legitimate act of war. If it was, the west would be entitled to raze Saudi Arabia to the ground and occupy it. And I would applaud.
Excuse me for being incoherent, but I am tired.
Secondly, thermonuclear weapons refer to weapons which employ the much higher megaton-yield process of hydrogen nuclear fusion. Hiroshima and Nagasaki were both fission devices. Just a point.
Thirdly, I would advise you to remove yourself from your throne of stardust atop your crenelated tower of ivory. In reality, war happens, and I'm afraid you must learn to deal with this, though I do say that I respect you for your (presumed) respect for human life.
To be frank, Uncompetetive, you seem to being a tad foolish. Killing an armed, trained soldier of a foriegn power your nation is at war with is an entirely legitimate act, and to say otherwise is to simply look upon humanity and pronounce a 'hmmm...inferior', as if you were not speaking from within humanity.
P.S Genocide and War, though often correlated, are not the same. When Britain waged war against Germany, at no point did we commit genocide. The 'Final Solution', you should recall, was drawn up prior to the outbreak of hostilities. And, to summarise - I do not care about the argument that 9/11 was somehow a legitimate act of war. If it was, the west would be entitled to raze Saudi Arabia to the ground and occupy it. And I would applaud.
Excuse me for being incoherent, but I am tired.
This reminds me of that "Mock The Week" bit on "Questions that were rejected from this years exams", it went like "You have 3 tanks, and (forget what name) has 10. Why start a war? Discuss."
This is such an empty threat I mean last I checked those missles they fired off failed to go hardly anywhere and even if they worked they are only powerful enough to reach about Hawaii. And unless for some reason the entire American population decides that today is a good day to go on vacation Korea can't do anything.
think of it this way guys if they attack with such a wepon they could kill tens of thousends of people. If we attacked them and wiped them off the map what then? we just killed millions of people who never did any thing to harm us.
I hope nukelear war never comes to the world
please dont note the poor spelling im verry tired
I hope nukelear war never comes to the world
please dont note the poor spelling im verry tired
I hope to god your right, Humanity hasn't exactly become renowned for making intelligent Decisions.NoMoreSanity said:
And of course who knows how the NK mindset works, they may figure that trashing the USA is worth Nuclear War...
The rest of the world would just nuke'em and be over with it. China wouldn't help. They might even join in. Be entertaining to watch. And i really don't care about them targeting Japan, since i reckon Japan can at least defend itself. They may not have a big military but they've got some cool toys.
And millons of noncombatents who never had a chance due the use of nuclear warheads would die. I hope the world takes time to think about this before they act.