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ThePeaceFrog said:
I love the Orthodox Historical view point that pervades this column / Western view point towards relations with North korea as a whole. Though it is undeniable that the actions of North Korea in recent events have been incredibly inflammatory, this state of affairs have not come about solely through North Korean actions, with North korea in many ways being a victim.

But before all of you obviously intellectual History buffs try to beat me to death with the stereotypical 'West is Best' attitude that has dominated popular opinion towards this conflict, I ask you to look past the basics of this failiure in international relations and the simplistic view towards the Korean war to the dark underbelly of Cold war relations that spawned it and the post war hangover from World War 2.

With the defeat of Japan in World War 2, Korea, one of the victims of Japanese agression, was forcibly annexed by the Allied forces in a way similar to that of Germany, with the Capitalist forces consolidating in the South and Communism in the North. As in Germany, the sheer proximity of such two diametrically opposed ideologies again led to great tension, with each side attempting to 're-educate' their section of the korean peoples in an attempt to achieve ideological dominance, putting in place governments that in no way represented popular political opinion. This act occured in both North and South, with it from the onset that the USSR and, in this case most importantly,the USA to blame for the inability for this splinterd nation to reform.

When an attempt at reformation finally did occur, the USA again interefered. The USA had no right to interfere in the Korean war, which in reality started as little more than a long deserved Civil War, in which both North and South were willing participants, with the South itself having already drawn up plans to invade the North, but were too slow to enact them.
It was the USA's selfish policy of 'Containment' and 'Rollback' that led to the continuation of the war, with their interference only showing how the West was all to willing to wipe out another nation due to the fact it's political ideology did not follow their own.

The view that the west chose to intervene due to North Korea's credentials as a Dictatorship is also flawed. As was shown in the USA's willing partnership with the Bastista regime in Cuba, the USA was not concerned with Democracy, but only with retarding the growth of Socialism. Even North Korea's infringements of Civil or Human Rights cannot be seen as a valid reason to go to war, with South Korea's credentials towards Human Rights and democracy being almost as bad.

Fast forwarding to today and these attacks continue. The Economic and Social annexation that the West has enacted upon the North has brought the country to the brink of destruction and created a siege mentality within the Nation. the West claims this regime has gone mad and I believe it may very well have done so. But wouldn't you have lost touch with reality if for the last fifty years you had been surrounded by enemies, South Korea, Japan and the USA and that your sole Ally, China, is now hell-bent on distancing itself from you as much as possible. There is nothing left for this country other than weapons tests and parades as the nation has been rendered impotent by an uncaring world order that is stuck in the Cold War, which has mutilated an enitre nation and made it so that a once stable nation as Korea is now locked in a game of perpetual violence and hatred that has no forseeable ending. You may choose to blame one side for this state of affairs, but in my eyes the culture of threat and possible violence is one that acts in both directions.
You sir, are a very smart person, and you show me the reason why I wanted to study history for a long time (well I still want to). That said, NK is still fucking insane, and what Kim Jong Il does to his people is an abomination on this planet and should technically be dealt with. Too bad that's almost impossible, considering the state the NK people are in. Fully indoctrinated, brainwashed, helping them is neigh impossible.
 

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Dragonblade146 said:
Shibito091192 said:
Dragonblade146 said:
We have more nukes than them, and they have a smaller landmass. WE can wipe them from the planet.

Source:
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/as_koreas_nuclear
It's not about who has more nukes, it's about who drops the bombs first...
If they drop only a few. We can still win. We have almost 20,000 nukes.
REMINDER: Obama is in office
 

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Obama is pretty much a loser too... He's a moron for pushing his healthcare program and TREMENDOUSLY increasing government spending despite a huge defecit.

However, I am confident that any attack from North Korea would be met with greater force from the U.S. as well as China. China is the greatest reason that NK won't do anything... They don't want to risk U.S. missiles landing in their backyard.
Um....

1) The only way out of a recession is to spend into defecit. Granted America's is a tad bigger then the rest of the world's deficits.

2) America would get a lot of hate mail if they ever launched a nuke anywhere near the Asian region. And with China, all North Korea have to do is basically thrown a nuke over the fence if they hit the US.

One nuke in North Korea sends fallout into China and most other neighboring countries. Fall out seeps into the ground, into the water and within a few months you have a serious problem not only in neighboring nations but in oceans that contact/feed into plenty of countries. I honestly think if North Korea does launch a nuke at the US or any of her allies, well just about anyone, the world as we know it ends in a very Terminator style way with a very Fallout 3 twist to it.
1. I would debate you there, but I am not confident in my knowledge of economics. However, it seems quite silly to soend money when there is little money to spend. I will ask a friend of mine who is studying economics and then respond to that point later. At any rate, Obama is a complete tool. He's pissed me off with regards to several other issues as well.

2. I could not agree with you more. I too doubt that the U.S. would nuke back. China would not stand for it. If nothing else, the largest response to an attack from NK would be from China. They would NOT like it if U.S. missiles had to fly over them to reach NK. I'm not even going to go in to the fallout scenario because you said it very well.
 

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NoMoreSanity said:
I don't see them as too big of a threat. They would be stupid to launch a war with everyone against them right now, but if we had to invade them it would be a long and bloody invasion.
If they were to dare attack the US it would piss me off severly because:

If N. Korea were to bomb the US in their position it would end simply: A Vengeful strike back and it wouldn't be an invasion, it would be a through destruction of N. Korea - simple as.

Don't talk the talk if you can't walk the walk.
 

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Blame MacArthur. If it wasn't for him, all of Korea would have been in the state that South Korea is in today.
 

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ThePeaceFrog said:
I love the Orthodox Historical view point that pervades this column / Western view point towards relations with North korea as a whole. Though it is undeniable that the actions of North Korea in recent events have been incredibly inflammatory, this state of affairs have not come about solely through North Korean actions, with North korea in many ways being a victim.

But before all of you obviously intellectual History buffs try to beat me to death with the stereotypical 'West is Best' attitude that has dominated popular opinion towards this conflict, I ask you to look past the basics of this failiure in international relations and the simplistic view towards the Korean war to the dark underbelly of Cold war relations that spawned it and the post war hangover from World War 2.

With the defeat of Japan in World War 2, Korea, one of the victims of Japanese agression, was forcibly annexed by the Allied forces in a way similar to that of Germany, with the Capitalist forces consolidating in the South and Communism in the North. As in Germany, the sheer proximity of such two diametrically opposed ideologies again led to great tension, with each side attempting to 're-educate' their section of the korean peoples in an attempt to achieve ideological dominance, putting in place governments that in no way represented popular political opinion. This act occured in both North and South, with it from the onset that the USSR and, in this case most importantly,the USA to blame for the inability for this splinterd nation to reform.

When an attempt at reformation finally did occur, the USA again interefered. The USA had no right to interfere in the Korean war, which in reality started as little more than a long deserved Civil War, in which both North and South were willing participants, with the South itself having already drawn up plans to invade the North, but were too slow to enact them.
It was the USA's selfish policy of 'Containment' and 'Rollback' that led to the continuation of the war, with their interference only showing how the West was all to willing to wipe out another nation due to the fact it's political ideology did not follow their own.

The view that the west chose to intervene due to North Korea's credentials as a Dictatorship is also flawed. As was shown in the USA's willing partnership with the Bastista regime in Cuba, the USA was not concerned with Democracy, but only with retarding the growth of Socialism. Even North Korea's infringements of Civil or Human Rights cannot be seen as a valid reason to go to war, with South Korea's credentials towards Human Rights and democracy being almost as bad.

Fast forwarding to today and these attacks continue. The Economic and Social annexation that the West has enacted upon the North has brought the country to the brink of destruction and created a siege mentality within the Nation. the West claims this regime has gone mad and I believe it may very well have done so. But wouldn't you have lost touch with reality if for the last fifty years you had been surrounded by enemies, South Korea, Japan and the USA and that your sole Ally, China, is now hell-bent on distancing itself from you as much as possible. There is nothing left for this country other than weapons tests and parades as the nation has been rendered impotent by an uncaring world order that is stuck in the Cold War, which has mutilated an enitre nation and made it so that a once stable nation as Korea is now locked in a game of perpetual violence and hatred that has no forseeable ending. You may choose to blame one side for this state of affairs, but in my eyes the culture of threat and possible violence is one that acts in both directions.
While I can't argue that the US fucked up big time in the cold war (I believe Vietnam itself was a lost chance at making a communist ally and using that to weaken the unity between the Soviet Union), there's no way you can justify North Korea's action. Bad upbringing or not, there's no excuse for kidnapping citizens of foriegn countries, starving your own people or threatening to wipe out other countries from existence.

I mean, it's so horrible in North Korea that plenty of North Koreans flee into China, and the situation for them is terrible (especially for women).

Of course the biggest problem with invading North Korea is that there would be an obligation to fix it, and unlike Iraq there's nothing in North Korea that works besides having an impressive amount of cordination at parades.
 

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that son of a *****

listen up kiddies i bet you think that this etherlance guy is a total twat and i would agree right now but just so you all know.

* the etherlance guy is me but the guy who has been posting these bullshit comments on this site is my younger brother

* just so you can all relax i just beat the crap out of him for using MY account again!!
sorry if the little ***** has wasted your time (cant believe he got japan and korea mixed up)
"thanks for burning him down DonalM"

oh before i leave and beat him again if you want to see his master piece of bullshit go to the forums and seach for his review called "stormrise crap or just shit"

trust after reading that crap you'll want to beat him too
 

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WanderFreak said:
NORTH KOREA USA RELATIONS
*A play in one act*
North Korea: Stupid America! I hate you!
*pokes America with stick*
*for the purposes of this play, America will be played by a full grown male Kodiak bear*
RIP north korea. But I think US UK and maybe china would make them fallout 4
 

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Dragonblade146 said:
"If the U.S. imperialists start another war, the army and people of Korea will ... wipe out the aggressors on the globe once and for all," the official Korean Central News Agency said.
Operative word: If.

Remember, the U.S. are the only country to gave used Nuclear Weapons against either civilian or military targets in History.

They are the real terrorists.
 

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Uncompetative said:
Dragonblade146 said:
"If the U.S. imperialists start another war, the army and people of Korea will ... wipe out the aggressors on the globe once and for all," the official Korean Central News Agency said.
Operative word: If.

Remember, the U.S. are the only country to gave used Nuclear Weapons against either civilian or military targets in History.

They are the real terrorists.
It's not terrorism if your fighting a war, you clown.
 

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Dragonblade146 said:
Krakyn said:
If they do anything serious, and even if they do bomb the US, we have so many allies around the world that their country would be wiped from the map less than a day later.
WE don't have that many anymore.

I'm pretty sure you would if you got fucking nuked.
 

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I doubt North Korea would actually be stupid enough to do it. If they do nuke America, America would simply nuke them back. The result being two countries would be destroyed for no benefit to the earth whatsoever.
 

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Zombie_Fish said:
I doubt North Korea would actually be stupid enough to do it. If they do nuke America, America would simply nuke them back. The result being two countries would be destroyed for no benefit to the earth whatsoever.

No, North Korea would be destroyed, they do not have enough nuclear arms to destroy much of anything. Also, the missles they have are next to useless I doubt they have anything that could reach even Hawaii accurately.
 

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martin said:
Zombie_Fish said:
I doubt North Korea would actually be stupid enough to do it. If they do nuke America, America would simply nuke them back. The result being two countries would be destroyed for no benefit to the earth whatsoever.

No, North Korea would be destroyed, they do not have enough nuclear arms to destroy much of anything. Also, the missles they have are next to useless I doubt they have anything that could reach even Hawaii accurately.
See, North Korea would be destroyed if they attack. Surely North Korea would be able to notice that there would be nothing to benefit from this attack as a result.
 

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Zombie_Fish said:
martin said:
Zombie_Fish said:
I doubt North Korea would actually be stupid enough to do it. If they do nuke America, America would simply nuke them back. The result being two countries would be destroyed for no benefit to the earth whatsoever.

No, North Korea would be destroyed, they do not have enough nuclear arms to destroy much of anything. Also, the missles they have are next to useless I doubt they have anything that could reach even Hawaii accurately.
See, North Korea would be destroyed if they attack. Surely North Korea would be able to notice that there would be nothing to benefit from this attack as a result.

You would think so, but kim jong il is proven to be a tad bit off the rocker. He is obsessed with gaining power, glory, fear, and success in the world stage. However, he doesn't realize the area in which he is located lacks a lot of things that would be necessary for him to do this. Thus, he takes inspiration from people like the Soviet Union, he sees that they had a cold war with the U.S and now see Russia as a powerful country (granted very flawed). I am quite convinced he is long past thinking clearly. His self-imposed image of trying to be a movie star/demi-god proves his narcisism and supports my theory of his motives. He would be making one of the biggest mistakes in human history in trying to cause a nuclear war.

It would go something like this I imagine. North Korea would fire their inferior missles at the U.S, perhaps Hawaii. The missle would either fail mid-flight or miss. The United States government would then have complete global support of an invasion of North Korea. Perhaps invoking support from the likes of China, or Russia (Because countries like England and Canada would be sure to help anyway). In theory, North Korea's act of biligerence could bring long lasting assured peace to the High-or superpowered countries.
 

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DonalM said:
etherlance said:
you all don't seem to grasp the situation here do you?
Oh, Lord

it doesn't matter if they have less nukes than everyone else. the fact is that they have NUKES ANYWAY and no matter how you cut it those nukes would still kill a lot of people
That is correct. We are worried it would be used on one of our allies in that region.

and those of you who say that they are not stupid enough to attack america
Its not the Kim Jong Il isn't crazy, it is that NK is not logistically capable of doing it.

just remember that your talking about people who would glady sit in a airplane and drive it into an aircraft carrier or what not screaming BANZAI!!
No, that was Japan. Big difference.

so yes if america keeps up its whole "were the greatest country on earth...do what we say" routine then they will find themselves at war faster than you can say pyongyang
Actually, the problem here seems to be the US not pushing enough rather than too much.

and then they will blame everyone but them selves as per fucking usual
I'm pretty sure we can blame a lot of this trouble on China and North Korea

Glad you said something about that. His post was a bit ...hmm best word shite?
 

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martin said:
It would go something like this I imagine. North Korea would fire their inferior missles at the U.S, perhaps Hawaii. The missle would either fail mid-flight or miss. The United States government would then have complete global support of an invasion of North Korea. Perhaps invoking support from the likes of China, or Russia (Because countries like England and Canada would be sure to help anyway). In theory, North Korea's act of biligerence could bring long lasting assured peace to the High-or superpowered countries.
Giving all the majors countries in the world a universal enemy to concentrate their hatred on, instead of each other. That could work.